PuckSR
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I completely understand your idea of "proving" God. I am a rational person, and I do believe that it is possible to prove the existence of God rationally. The problem is that all current proofs for God are purely philosophical, and not scientific.
If Dr. Dembski proves that there was an Intelligent Agent, that agent would most likely not be God. Let me see if I can explain this
God---> Absolute Supreme Being
Science---> Does not deal in absolute certainty
Intelligent Designer--> If an entity, most likely a superior entity, yet not Supreme
So, lets get this totally clear, both sides should agree that the Intelligent Agent is not GOD. The 'atheists' and the 'theists'. The Intelligent Agent may be a creation of God....but then again....evolution would be considered a creation of God by the same criteria.
So ID is not an attempt to make a scientific case for God. ID, at the best, is a rework of some very old philosophy that justifies the existance of God. If you would like some reading material I would be glad to provide it.
You, however, stumbled upon why 'atheists' want to get ID yanked out of everything. ID could never honestly suppose that the designer was God, yet many people believe that is what they are suggesting. Even from a theological standpoint, ID is cheating.
Let me explain the position of almost every person you will ever talk to who is anti-ID. They are not against your 'idea'. They most likely take issue with any case of teaching young people bad science.
They dont want biology classes full of the loch ness monster, or Yeti, or anything else that isnt totally verified. We should not be teaching young people 'fringe science'.
It is not productive to their very limited time inside of a science classroom.
That being said, I encourage the ID scientists to continue their work. Many times in the past, something that began as 'fringe' science later became accepted scientific principle. A great example of this would be "Darwin's Theory of Evolution". But Darwin never asked grade school teachers to give his lesson plan. Darwin never demanded a public discourse on his theory. Darwin and his colleagues continued to collect evidence. They eventually collected so much evidence for evolution, that creationism was destroyed in the context of science. I know that you feel that Dr. Dembski and others have already produced the evidence and that we are just putting our fingers in our ears and ignoring them. The problem is that we are not putting our fingers in our ears. Many people have obviously read, and critiqued their papers. If this was a religious thing, ID could just sit back on its previous work and say.."We will wait till you believe us". This, however, is Science. All the IDist should be worrying about is producing better evidence.
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