Reciprocating Bill
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Meanwhile, ScornedOva throws buckets of pasta against the wall:
| Quote | Irreducible Complexity in Mathematics, Physics and Biology
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There is a new paper on Irreducible Complexity by renowned mathematician Gregory Chaitin: The Halting Probability Omega: Irreducible Complexity in Pure Mathematics Milan Journal of Mathematics, Vol. 75, 2007...On the surface Chaitin’s notion of Irreducible Complexity (IC) in math may seem totally irrelevant to Irreducible Complexity (IC) in ID literature. |
On the surface, half way down, and at the bottom. Because, Sal, you're right: the concepts discussed therein are totally irrelevant to ID's brand of IC. Utterly unrelated. (And it's not a paper. It's a lecture.)
We need a new name for this - something more primitive than quote mining - something like clang association in schizophrenia. Clang mining. "Look, it says complexity, and it says irreducible! It supports ID! IC permeates everything!! Gaaaaaa!!!
But 'Ova contains himself, and continues:
| Quote | First, of consider this article archived at Access Research Network (ARN) by George Johnson in the NY Times on IC in physics:
Challenging Particle Physics as Path to Truth |
A five year old newspaper piece that, if anything, completely undermines the "cosmological" version of ID (fine tuning of constants, etc.), reporting the assertion of solid state physicists that what appear to be noncontingent physical laws are actually contingent, and derived. But they're too dim over at ARN to notice:
| Quote | The notion of emergent laws is not radical in itself. A flask of gas consists of trillions of molecules randomly colliding with one another. From this disorder, qualities like temperature and pressure emerge, along with laws relating one to the other.
So take that idea a level deeper. Physicists now believe that the vacuum of space is, paradoxically, not vacuous at all. It seethes with energy, in the form of “virtual particles” constantly flitting in and out of existence. So perhaps, Dr. Volovik suggests, even laws now considered fundamental emerged from this constant subatomic buzz." |
So much for fine tuning.
Sal concludes by tossing a few cheese-filled rigatoni. Something about emergent qualities = incomputability, again utterly unrelated to ID's notion of Irreproducible Complexification. He breathlessly concludes,
| Quote | | Let me suggest, IC in math will permeate physics and therefore biology! |
No, we're not going to let you suggest that, Sal, until you provide SOME sort of warrant for doing so. Or at least a bit of pesto.
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