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| Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Dec. 02 2008,15:06) | | Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 02 2008,06:38) | | Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 02 2008,00:48) | | but a 'supernatural' mechanism, studied via rigorous methods as you describe, would cease to be 'supernatural' despite whatever historical trappings it may have borne. |
Exactly. "Naturalism" of the methodological variety doesn't constrain us to a particular ontology (e.g. "only the physical"), and notions with evidentiary traction may tow us into strange domains indeed. If we can retrace and reliably repeat our conceptual and empirical steps, something that long would have been rejected as supernatural and perhaps impossible may be found to be natural.
But Daniel explicitly intends "all powerful agency" when he specifies his designer, and insists that OOL - in fact O of Anything - cannot result from natural processes untended by an all powerful and intervening representational intelligence. The natural, he insists, left to its own can never give rise to such complexity and apparent purpose. Indeed, for Daniel, living organisms themselves are not part of the natural order. They are in it and composed of components drawn from it, but they are not themselves natural. He doesn't want them to be natural. Moreover, the "all powerful" character of his designer renders dispositive evidentiary traction impossible.
So while evidence may move the boundaries of the natural, resulting in surprising and sometimes very strange inclusiveness (quantum physics has accustomed us to this), Daniel is busy out back throwing securely natural phenomena (living organisms) over the fence the other direction. |
spot on.
i have said it before and i'll say it again... It's all ontological silly buggers with him.
that's it. nothing more. |
I'LL GIVE U ONTRA-FRIGIN-LOGICAL
FIRST THEAR WAS DARKNESS ...RIGHT?
THEN THAIR WUZ LIGHT ...RIGHT?
AFTER THAT THER WUS ADAM....REIGHT?
THEN DARE WUZ ME
I DARE U 2 CONTRADICK ME.
HAIL 2 THEE OH LORD WHEREVA 'N WHATEVA U R OK? XXxX dANIEL?????
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