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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 19 2006,15:50   

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Oct. 19 2006,15:03)
But here's where I get stuck: how does this refute the fine tuning argument in any meaningful sense?   All they're really saying is, "Seeing a universe with natural laws that are consistent with the formation of life makes philosophical naturalism at least as likely as theistic design".

No they're saying that even infinitesimal values of P(F|N) do not support ~N.
 
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So if  P(F/N&L) was meant to describe the probability that the universe is observed to be fine tuned

There's one of your problems right there.  F is not "the universe is fine-tuned"! P(F|N&L)=1 is the weak anthropic principle, that is: if the universe is naturalistic and has life, it must be life-friendly.
 
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But if they mean the looser definition described above, it collapses to the trivial statement that "Seeing a universe with natural laws that are consistent with life forming makes philosophical naturalism at least as likely as theistic design".

No, no, no.  They are making no statement about the relative values of P(N) versus P(~N).  They are showing that fine-tuning does not logically support ~N.

  
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