The Ghost of Paley
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Flint:
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I was just making sure I understood your position. I think I can accurately characterize it as follows:
We know the track records of certain cultures, which are uniformly abysmal in their native lands and everywhere else they have settled. Yes, individuals occasionally break free of this sorry trend, but not many and the trend doesn't vary anywhere.
It is not in the interest of the US or indeed any other nation to invite or permit sizeable numbers of immigrants from "proven failure" cultures. Even filtering these populations and approving only the very cream of the accomplished will be shown a failure after two generations.
Is that it, more or less?
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Yes, that's it. So now that at least one person understands my position, the debate can actually move forward. And while we're at it, here's a report on the excitement and diversity Swedish and Norwegian immigrants provide:
| Quote | There has been a spike in the number of rape charges in Scandinavia in recent years. It has reached near epidemic proportions in Sweden. Although there are indications of a very high percentage of Muslim immigrants on the statistics, as it is with other kinds of crime, immigration is a non-issue for the political establishment a few weeks ahead of the Swedish national elections.
In neighboring Norway, there is an unprecedented rape wave in the capital city of Oslo. “We have to be realistic. A series of rapes have made Oslo unsafe during the summer,” says Brit Opjordsmoen from DIXI, support centre for rape victims. “When we know that there are rapists on the loose in Oslo, we have to listen to advice from the police. They are right in warning women against going home alone at night.”
Opjordsmoen thinks it is astounding that Minister of Justice Knut Storberget gives advice contrary to that of the police, encouraging women not to change their behavior. “Ideally, we can all agree that girls should be able to move around freely, but we have to be realistic. Society is not like that. Many girls are too naïve, we have to be careful and watch out. Several rapes assaults in a short period of time is unusual,” says Opjordsmoen.
According to the support centre, rapes are usually committed by a person known to the victim. The peculiar thing about the many rapes in the city of Oslo now is that they are rapes by ambush, committed by strangers against women on their way home from a bar or in areas with little traffic. “We have seen a dramatic increase [in the number of rapes],” says Endre Sandvik, head of the emergency ward. The number of rapes in Oslo this summer is more than twice as high as it was last year.
In a questions and answers session with newspaper Aftenposten’s readers, Opjordsmoen has some politically correct comments, saying that they don’t know what percentage of these rapes are committed by people with immigrant background, and that much of these speculations is just “prejudice.”
With all due respect, I’m pretty sure that’s incorrect. Just a few weeks earlier, Aftenposten warned that “youths” are in the process of destroying Norway’s capital city, Oslo. Upon closer inspection, it turned out that these “youths” bear a striking resemblance to the same “youths” with Muslim immigrant background that are destroying so many cities across Western Europe. I know Norwegian girls that have experienced harassment by gangs, and it almost always involves Muslims: Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Pakistanis, and Somalis.
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However, Aftenposten seems conveniently enough to have forgotten an article they printed five years ago. In 2001, two out of three charged with rape in Norway’s capital were immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. Norwegian women were victims in 80 percent of the cases.
Unni Wikan, a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo, in 2001 said that “Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes” because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor’s conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: “Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.”
The numbers published in September 2001 were discussed in at least to out of Norway’s three largest newspapers: Aftenposten and Dagbladet. A leading member of the Liberal Party (Venstre), Odd Einar Dørum, demanded that all the numbers should be put on the table: “A scumbag is a scumbag, regardless of skin color”.
From 2001 to 2005, Dørum was Minister of Justice, and yet nobody has seen these statistics since 2001. The number of rape charges in Oslo has continued to rise, reaching record levels in 2005. There is ample evidence of brutal gang rapes, something that used to be rare in Scandinavia, being committed by immigrants against native girls.
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In Sweden, ethnologist Maria Bäckman, in her study “Whiteness and gender,” has followed a group of Swedish girls in the suburb of Rinkeby outside Stockholm, where native Swedes have been turned into a tiny minority of the inhabitants due to rapid immigration. Bäckman relates that several of the girls she interviewed stated that they had dyed their hair to avoid unwanted attention and sexual harassment. They experienced that being blonde involves old men staring at you, cars honking their horns and boys calling you “whore.”
A report from organization Save the Children tells of how being a young Swedish girl today means feeling unsafe. The girls are scared of being raped, a possibility that appears very real to them. Many girls are planning how to go home at night, how to pretend to be talking on the mobile phone, how to keep their keys in their hand to defend themselves or how to simply run all the way home. Both the fear and the choice of strategies indicate that many girls feel genuinely unsafe outdoors during certain hours of the day. The fear is well founded. A striking number of girls have experienced harassment from boys or men. Most frequently, the harassment comes from boys of the same age as the girls. Being called “whore” has become so common in some schools that several of the girls say the teachers no longer react to this.
Tensta is a suburb in northern Stockholm with a very high concentration of Muslim immigrants. Actress Ylva Törnlund has visited several schools in Tensta, and was alarmed by the harsh atmosphere she discovered there. “The attitudes we meet in the schools are frightening. One boy talked about how girls should be f**ked to pieces until they bleed,” Törnlund said.
This trend is not exclusive to Scandinavia. It is the same all over Western Europe wherever we find significant numbers of Muslim immigrants. In fact, the number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations is so extremely high that it is difficult to view them only as random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. German journalist Gudrun Eussner considers this to be “sexuality as a weapon against disobedient and non-Muslim women, both categorized as “unbelievers”. Against them jihad is the duty, and what to do with women “conquered” in jihad, this may be read in the Qur’an: they become slaves to be used by the victors.”
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So Flint, please explain how these immigrants are providing the "sunlight" and "rain" that enrich the native culture. I really want to hear you, or anyone, defend this immigration policy.
Please be as detailed as possible. I really want to hear a reasoned defense. Really.
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Dey can't 'andle my riddim.
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