VMartin
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| Quote (Alan Fox @ Sep. 02 2007,04:49) | | Quote | | There was no response for one week on this thread. No one adressed either slugs or shift of reproductive organs of mammalian males. |
You need to make your points more clearly. We all understand that you have an innate aversion to Darwinian ideas, but you really need to be a little more objective. Your personal preferences cut no ice here.
Saying ? | Quote | | I would say even having transparent wings and yellow band there is no way resemblance to wasps. |
is not adequate as an argument. |
Do you think I have innate aversion to darwinism? I would say darwinism is wrong, that's all. Btw. it is not my personnal preference. I quoted many prominent scientists of the past. No one of them saw darwinism as plausible explanation of evolution.
I don't see your point in saying "is not adequate as an argument". Do you consider all 600 species of Sessidaes as wasp-mimics or what? ?I quoted Heikertinger who dismissed mimicry in the case. I am afraid there is no such an expert on insect mimicry nowadays. Heikertinger spent 40 years studying insects and so-called mimicry, his correspodence with Wassmann was once closely followed by entomologists in Europe. ?You and yours alike see often mimicry everywhere. One should be more cautios reading about darwinian unfounded assertions about mimicry.
It was you who gave me notice that eye spots on butterfly wings do not deter predators. Oddly enough Heiketinger devoted almost 4 pages to experiments that disprove wasp mimicry as protective device. Why such experiments was not reproduced anymore? Because it doesnot fit into preconceived darwinian schema of protection? Dlussky made some experiments in 80ties that proves birds can tell apart model and mimics very well.
All the theory of mimicry was preconceived in heads of Bateson, Wallace and Darwin agreed with it. They made no experiments. It is no science you know, it is only preconceived ideas into which all facts should fit. Heikertinger had gone into depths of many cases and had shown that natural selection is implausible explanation of the phenomenon.
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I could not answer, but should maintain my ground.-
Charles Darwin
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