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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 10:37
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 05 2013,02:23)     Quote (blipey @ Feb. 05 2013,00:53)             Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 05 2013,00:47)The choice of whether to help or to hurt was entirely yours.
You've made your bed, now lie in it:
AC/DC - Thunderstruck

Can you even follow basic English conversation?  This isn't even a response to what I posted.  Your ability to do much of anything is very limited so I should feel bad when I think you're a moron, but I don't.

editz for the grammars
Your response was not even quoted.
And there is an excellent reason, too.
That was posted for more than just you.
But since you asked for it here's a clue:
Powerman 5000 - When Worlds Collide


I'd rather read Velikovsky...

Edit: C&P entire quote.
I can see that you certainly are very well read!

    Quote Immanuel Velikovsky (Russian: Иммануи́л Велико́вский) (10 June [O.S. 29 May] 1895 – 17 November 1979) was a Russian-Jewish psychiatrist and independent scholar, best known as the author of a number of controversial books reinterpreting the events of ancient history, in particular the US bestseller Worlds in Collision, published in 1950. Earlier, he played a role in the founding of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Israel, and was a respected psychiatrist and psychoanalyst.

His books use comparative mythology and ancient literary sources (including the Old Testament) to argue that Earth has suffered catastrophic close-contacts with other planets (principallyVenus and Mars) in ancient times. In positioning Velikovsky among catastrophists including Hans Bellamy, Ignatius Donnelly, and Johann Gottlieb Radlof, the British astronomers Victor Clube and Bill Napier noted "... Velikovsky is not so much the first of the new catastrophists ...; he is the last in a line of traditional catastrophists going back to mediaeval times and probably earlier." Velikovsky argued that electromagnetic effects play an important role in celestial mechanics. He also proposed a revised chronology for ancient Egypt, Greece, Israel and other cultures of the ancient Near East. The revised chronology aimed at explaining the so-called "dark age" of the eastern Mediterranean (ca. 1100 – 750 BCE) and reconciling biblical history with mainstream archaeology and Egyptian chronology.

In general, Velikovsky's theories have been ignored or vigorously rejected by the academic community. Nonetheless, his books often sold well and gained an enthusiastic support in lay circles, often fuelled by claims of unfair treatment for Velikovsky by orthodox academia. The controversy surrounding his work and its reception is often referred to as "the Velikovsky affair".

Not that I have anything against Immanuel Velikovsky, but that’s another one I would probably find dreadfully boring too.

Here’s my most read book of them all:


http://www.amazon.com/Little-....0GR7HNU

The book was my father’s.  Although it was well beyond early grade school level I started trying to figure it out right after learning how to read, which was about the same time I was able to lift the giant thing. It became such a part of my life he gave it to me. I now have it in my bookshelf.

I was also a heavy reader of American Radio Relay League manuals from the library next to where I went to school, even though I was more into receiving foreign shortwave broadcasts so I could tune into the Cold War that was being fought on the airwaves with super powerful radio stations that would skip waves half way around the world, just to reach me (few in the US even knew about it).  I learned a lot about other people in other countries from their programs where they would introduce average people in their country to talk about their daily lives, music shows where I could hear what they listened to, and by collecting QSL cards from Radio Yugoslavia and others. Radio Moscow sure proved impossible to get a letter to, even with the right stamps for international mail. It likely ended up in a CIA office, being gone over for possibly containing a secret message. I later knew the Berlin Wall was falling, or essentially already “fell”, and was a bit upset by Ronald Reagan stepping in to take credit even though it did make for a jolly good show watching the people symbolically bashing a section of it down.

From my experience, the propaganda war being broadcast from this forum definitely required Powerman5000 be immediately beamed-in via the World Wide Web. With luck, it will soon enough be retranslated then skip-wave amplified by what comes from the down where electrified by the sound I fall in love with the (you) teachers on the wax.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 10:24
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Feb. 05 2013,03:33) Quote That was posted for more than just you.
Who, then?  Name, or even just describe, someone* who actually gives a shit about your "theory" and waits for your latest update.

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*Voices in your head do not count.
See my great big signature line, and earlier posts.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 10:21
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 05 2013,02:50)Maybe this might be useful for verification of Gary's theory?
Yes! Thank's for the tip-off! The major problem is not being able to study the inner workings of a cell in enough detail to know how the molecular systems work at the quantum level.

Nice microscope!! I hope it's the breakthrough that's very badly needed right now.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 09:33
Post by Occam's Toothbrush
Quote That was posted for more than just you.
Who, then?  Name, or even just describe, someone* who actually gives a shit about your "theory" and waits for your latest update.

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*Voices in your head do not count.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 09:30
Post by Occam's Toothbrush
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 04 2013,23:22)2009/2010 Programme for International Student Assessment results (from Wikipedia)

Sciences (Top 20)
1_ Shanghai, China_
2_ Finland_
3_ Hong Kong, China_
4_ Singapore_
5_ Japan_
6_ South Korea_
7_ New Zealand_
8_ Canada_
9_ Estonia_
10_ Australia_
11_ Netherlands_
12_ Liechtenstein_
13_ Germany_
14_ Taiwan_
15_ Switzerland_
16_ United Kingdom_
17_ Slovenia_
18_ Macau, China_
19_ Poland_
20_ Ireland_

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......essment
I don't get it.  Are you telling us your understanding of science is so shitty because you were educated in the US?

Well, the first step to getting help is admitting you have a problem.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 08:50
Post by Quack
Maybe this might be useful for verification of Gary's theory?
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 08:44
Post by Quack
Hawking:
  Quote “... Even if we do discover a complete unified theory, though, it would not mean that we would be able to predict events in general, for two reasons. The first is the limitation the uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics sets on our powers of prediction. There is nothing we can do to get around that. In practice, however, this first limitation is less restrictive than the second one. It arises from the fact that we most likely could not solve the equations of such a theory, except in very simple situations. As we’ve said, no one can solve exactly the quantum equations for an atom consisting of a nucleus plus more than one electron.”
…..
“Today we know the laws that govern the behaviour of matter under all but the most extreme conditions. In particular, we know the basic laws that underlie all of chemistry and biology. “

Laughlin:
  Quote “... We also know that while a simple and absolute law, such as hydrodynamics, can evolve from the deeper laws underneath, it is at the same time independent of them, in that it would be the same even if the deeper laws were changed.

Thinking through these effects seriously moves one to ask which law is the more ultimate, the details from which everything flows or the transcendent, emergent laws that they create.”


Gary,

I consider it relevant for science to consider what people like Hawking or Laughlin have to say. I just wonder, is anything said by scientists relevant for you or your theory? Or don't you give a damn, you are right and f*** science?
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 08:23
Post by Quack
I'd rather read Velikovsky...
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 07:47
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (blipey @ Feb. 05 2013,00:53)       Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 05 2013,00:47)The choice of whether to help or to hurt was entirely yours.
You've made your bed, now lie in it:
AC/DC - Thunderstruck

Can you even follow basic English conversation?  This isn't even a response to what I posted.  Your ability to do much of anything is very limited so I should feel bad when I think you're a moron, but I don't.

editz for the grammars
Your response was not even quoted.
And there is an excellent reason, too.
That was posted for more than just you.
But since you asked for it here's a clue:
Powerman 5000 - When Worlds Collide
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 06:53
Post by blipey
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 05 2013,00:47)The choice of whether to help or to hurt was entirely yours.
You've made your bed, now lie in it:
AC/DC - Thunderstruck

Can you even follow basic English conversation?  This isn't even a response to what I posted.  Your ability to much of anything is very limited so I should feel bad when I think you're a moron, but I don't.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Tue, 2013-02-05 06:47
Post by GaryGaulin
The choice of whether to help or to hurt was entirely yours.
You've made your bed, now lie in it:
AC/DC - Thunderstruck
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Sat, 2013-02-02 07:31
Post by GaryGaulin
Erasmus, I have had it with your lunatic fringe crap. You are not at all welcomed in this thread either. Get lost, please.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Sat, 2013-02-02 07:06
Post by Erasmus, FCD
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 01 2013,22:24)But here's a science question for you from an actual science teacher: can you please tell us what the weather conditions (temp, humidity, etc) are like up on that cross?
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Telic Thoughts Thread

Sat, 2013-02-02 05:19
Post by Henry J
Quote Not using scare quotes there, just quoting him exactly because he doesn't really go into any length, at least in that thread, on his uh...evolution. :-)
Maybe it was intelligent design instead of evolution?

Henry
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 4

Sat, 2013-02-02 05:16
Post by sparc
vjtorely is just disgusting.   Quote The Holocaust of the Jews is often cited as an example of an example of objective moral evil.
And by definition the murderers must have been atheists committing their crimes to promote teaching evolution theory in 21 century US schools undermining morality in the country and the rest of the world.

Doesn't this twit have any idea about the history of antisemitism?
Taliban christian apologists like VJ and KF with their arrogant moral supremacy attitude don't respect the victims but rather abuse them. By pointing to "judeo-christian" traditions they decry Judaism as an independent religion. For God's sake it were Jews who have been killed in Auschwitz not US evangelical christians! And many of those involved in organizing and running the holocaust were indeed Sunday church goers.
Evolution theory  may be a problem for religious people that deserves to be seriously discussed. But I am sick of all those VJs and KFs who stylize themselves as being persecuted and as the next coming martyrs. I am sick of their self-centered intolerant thaught masturbation and the stains their multiple brain come leaves at UD.

BTW, I have to apologize that I once criticized The Whole Truth for being to harsh towards KF.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Sat, 2013-02-02 04:04
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 01 2013,21:24)   Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 01 2013,21:10)     Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 01 2013,20:53)Just like you never presented a shred of evidence against my Pac-Theory.  Funny how that works isn't it?  It's hard to make scientific answers in response to rambling nonsense.
I hope you are really not a science teacher. If true then I can see why so many in Texas are fed-up with the quality of science education in your state. I show you the cognitive circuit commonly found in science and you trash it? WoW!!
You could show me the periodic table, but if you claimed it was proof of molecular intelligence, I'd tell you that you are full of crap.  You have to show that your circuit has anything to do with real life molecules being intelligent if you want us to take you seriously.  Do you, or do you not have actual evidence that molecules follow that circuit anywhere outside your video game?

But here's a science question for you from an actual science teacher: can you please tell us what the weather conditions (temp, humidity, etc) are like up on that cross?
Now we are back to misrepresenting the theory by claiming that I am saying all molecules are intelligent when in fact a molecular intelligence system normally requires millions or billions of them (a collective).

And I must add that the Periodic Table of the Elements only shows the "atoms" not "molecules". Texas Teach does not even know the difference? Molecules are made of two or more atoms, by the way..
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Sat, 2013-02-02 03:24
Post by Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 01 2013,21:10) Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 01 2013,20:53)Just like you never presented a shred of evidence against my Pac-Theory.  Funny how that works isn't it?  It's hard to make scientific answers in response to rambling nonsense.
I hope you are really not a science teacher. If true then I can see why so many in Texas are fed-up with the quality of science education in your state. I show you the cognitive circuit commonly found in science and you trash it? WoW!!
You could show me the periodic table, but if you claimed it was proof of molecular intelligence, I'd tell you that you are full of crap.  You have to show that your circuit has anything to do with real life molecules being intelligent if you want us to take you seriously.  Do you, or do you not have actual evidence that molecules follow that circuit anywhere outside your video game?

But here's a science question for you from an actual science teacher: can you please tell us what the weather conditions (temp, humidity, etc) are like up on that cross?
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Sat, 2013-02-02 03:10
Post by GaryGaulin
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 01 2013,20:53)Just like you never presented a shred of evidence against my Pac-Theory.  Funny how that works isn't it?  It's hard to make scientific answers in response to rambling nonsense.
I hope you are really not a science teacher. If true then I can see why so many in Texas are fed-up with the quality of science education in your state. I show you the cognitive circuit commonly found in science and you trash it? WoW!!
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Sat, 2013-02-02 02:53
Post by Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 01 2013,20:38) Quote (Glen Davidson @ Feb. 01 2013,18:20) Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 01 2013,18:01)   Quote (Glen Davidson @ Feb. 01 2013,17:36)I hope that all of you persecutors recognize that it was the pointing out of colossally faulty assumptions, complaints that he didn't comport himself with the standards of science, laughing at his many mistakes, snide remarks, and jeers, that made Galileo recant his position on heliocentrism.  He just couldn't take it, and was unable to properly answer his critics, just like Gary.

Yes, the similarities are downright eerie.

Glen Davidson
All I want to see is your model that demonstrates how biological systems self-learn. The ONLY one that was ever presented in this thread is the one I showed that (among others showing the same thing) has been around for several decades from David Heiserman that applies to cells on up and later Professor Arnold Trehub who showed the same basic schematic for the human brain:



Arnold Trehub, "The Cognitive Brain", MIT Press 1991, Chapter 9, Page 158, Fig 9.3
http://people.umass.edu/trehub.....er9.pdf
http://people.umass.edu/trehub.....ub....b

Why are you again discrediting me by claiming the same old rubbish that was already proven to be trash?
The mystery deepens every day...

If only for Gary.

Glen Davidson
As it stands, not a single shred of evidence against the model that forms the core of this theory has been presented in this forum. Only thing that has been presented are insulting excuses for not having one.
Just like you never presented a shred of evidence against my Pac-Theory.  Funny how that works isn't it?  It's hard to make scientific answers in response to rambling nonsense.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

Sat, 2013-02-02 02:49
Post by GaryGaulin
This is the model used in the theory:

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