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Post by J-Dog
The best advice for visiting FL so far comes from one of our resident Frenchies! Perhaps we could get tax-exempt status for our new org... Bloggers Without Borders!
ps: shout out to Louis for the "prairie kind", and Doc for the "Short Haired Tattle Tail".
The best advice for visiting FL so far comes from one of our resident Frenchies! Perhaps we could get tax-exempt status for our new org... Bloggers Without Borders!
ps: shout out to Louis for the "prairie kind", and Doc for the "Short Haired Tattle Tail".
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Post by Lou FCD
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 14 2010,10:38)I went out to the Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge yesterday and took a lot of pictures. Much to my surprise, a few actually turned out. Although, I still don't like the overall image quality I get with my bottom-of-the-line telephoto lens.
Nice shots, though, Carlson. Thanks for sharing.
I've got my eye on upgrading my bottom-of-the-line zoom myself. The wifey is being a little cranky about it, though. She keeps yapping about priorities and house repairs and other miscellaneous unimportant nonsense.
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 14 2010,10:38)I went out to the Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge yesterday and took a lot of pictures. Much to my surprise, a few actually turned out. Although, I still don't like the overall image quality I get with my bottom-of-the-line telephoto lens.
Nice shots, though, Carlson. Thanks for sharing.
I've got my eye on upgrading my bottom-of-the-line zoom myself. The wifey is being a little cranky about it, though. She keeps yapping about priorities and house repairs and other miscellaneous unimportant nonsense.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by Maya
Quote (sparc @ Mar. 14 2010,22:27) Quote (JLT @ Mar. 14 2010,17:39)as quoted by SlimeySal
Seems Sal has quite some spare time lately. Is he on holidays or did he finally quit grad school?
Posting continuously on UD must be his idea of an exciting Spring Break.
Quote (sparc @ Mar. 14 2010,22:27) Quote (JLT @ Mar. 14 2010,17:39)as quoted by SlimeySal
Seems Sal has quite some spare time lately. Is he on holidays or did he finally quit grad school?
Posting continuously on UD must be his idea of an exciting Spring Break.
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Post by Albatrossity2
Quote (Richard Simons @ Mar. 14 2010,19:29)My wife and I are planning on visiting Florida in the second week of April but don't want to spend vast sums. We are interested in wildlife, especially birds, but not in city nightlife. We are currently looking at flying to Tampa then renting a car and driving to Fort Charlotte. Of course, we would like to get into the mangroves, but dashing across the swamps in a propellor-driven boat does not particularly appeal - we would like to be able to go more slowly and to hear things.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we should go and what we should do? Flying in to Orlando or Miami are other possibilities but getting to Miami is more expensive from here.
Sanibel Island and the Ding Darling National Wildlife Refuge, just west of Ft. Myers. One of the best birding places on the planet. Don't miss it.
Quote (Richard Simons @ Mar. 14 2010,19:29)My wife and I are planning on visiting Florida in the second week of April but don't want to spend vast sums. We are interested in wildlife, especially birds, but not in city nightlife. We are currently looking at flying to Tampa then renting a car and driving to Fort Charlotte. Of course, we would like to get into the mangroves, but dashing across the swamps in a propellor-driven boat does not particularly appeal - we would like to be able to go more slowly and to hear things.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we should go and what we should do? Flying in to Orlando or Miami are other possibilities but getting to Miami is more expensive from here.
Sanibel Island and the Ding Darling National Wildlife Refuge, just west of Ft. Myers. One of the best birding places on the planet. Don't miss it.
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Can you do geology and junk the evolution bits ?
Post by Bjarne
My cat has fur and a tail and claws and fangs, too. I wonder if it is also of the dog kind, Mr.Byers?
Additional proof: I called it a cat whelp, when he was smaller. And its food looks pretty much like the food I gave to my dog.
My cat has fur and a tail and claws and fangs, too. I wonder if it is also of the dog kind, Mr.Byers?
Additional proof: I called it a cat whelp, when he was smaller. And its food looks pretty much like the food I gave to my dog.
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Post by Schroedinger's Dog
Quote (Richard Simons @ Mar. 15 2010,01:29)My wife and I are planning on visiting Florida in the second week of April but don't want to spend vast sums. We are interested in wildlife, especially birds, but not in city nightlife. We are currently looking at flying to Tampa then renting a car and driving to Fort Charlotte. Of course, we would like to get into the mangroves, but dashing across the swamps in a propellor-driven boat does not particularly appeal - we would like to be able to go more slowly and to hear things.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we should go and what we should do? Flying in to Orlando or Miami are other possibilities but getting to Miami is more expensive from here.
The tampa area is quite the spot if you want wildlife. I've spent 5 summers there (in St Petersburg), and any average bayou will allow you to see alligators, cranes, turtles...
And from tampa, you're not very far from Tarpon Spings, and most of all Clearwater Springs, which is an excellent place for scuba diving.
And for a nice camp-out, Fort deSoto is really cool (try throwing some rocks in the water at night, it will glow like fireworks!).
Hope this helps...
Quote (Richard Simons @ Mar. 15 2010,01:29)My wife and I are planning on visiting Florida in the second week of April but don't want to spend vast sums. We are interested in wildlife, especially birds, but not in city nightlife. We are currently looking at flying to Tampa then renting a car and driving to Fort Charlotte. Of course, we would like to get into the mangroves, but dashing across the swamps in a propellor-driven boat does not particularly appeal - we would like to be able to go more slowly and to hear things.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we should go and what we should do? Flying in to Orlando or Miami are other possibilities but getting to Miami is more expensive from here.
The tampa area is quite the spot if you want wildlife. I've spent 5 summers there (in St Petersburg), and any average bayou will allow you to see alligators, cranes, turtles...
And from tampa, you're not very far from Tarpon Spings, and most of all Clearwater Springs, which is an excellent place for scuba diving.
And for a nice camp-out, Fort deSoto is really cool (try throwing some rocks in the water at night, it will glow like fireworks!).
Hope this helps...
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by sparc
A review of the EXPELLED screening at Imperial College London. The comments mention a well known tactic: Quote Mark Haville also posted a 5 star review of Expelled on Amazon's UK site without saying he was the UK promoter.
A review of the EXPELLED screening at Imperial College London. The comments mention a well known tactic: Quote Mark Haville also posted a 5 star review of Expelled on Amazon's UK site without saying he was the UK promoter.
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Post by Henry J
Quote I accidentally stumble onto this head full of spaghetti and meatballs
In that case, pasta la vista!
Quote I accidentally stumble onto this head full of spaghetti and meatballs
In that case, pasta la vista!
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Post by sparc
Quote (JLT @ Mar. 14 2010,17:39)as quoted by SlimeySal
Seems Sal has quite some spare time lately. Is he on holidays or did he finally quit grad school?
Quote (JLT @ Mar. 14 2010,17:39)as quoted by SlimeySal
Seems Sal has quite some spare time lately. Is he on holidays or did he finally quit grad school?
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm
Post by Keelyn
I think the problem here is that Joe G's family tree doesn't have any branches in it. Just when I thought no one could be more stupid than Byers and IBelieveInBullshitandFairytales, I accidentally stumble onto this head full of spaghetti and meatballs. It's a great comedy routine, Joe. Keep it up.
I think the problem here is that Joe G's family tree doesn't have any branches in it. Just when I thought no one could be more stupid than Byers and IBelieveInBullshitandFairytales, I accidentally stumble onto this head full of spaghetti and meatballs. It's a great comedy routine, Joe. Keep it up.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by Hermagoras
of-the-time/comment-page-1/#comment-349824" target="_blank">David Kellogg is moderated: Quote
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To return to the question at hand, if Mark Pagel is correct, then the world is less Darwinian than one thought but also less intelligently ordered: that is, more chaotic and random than even Darwin thought. If Pagel is right, then the slight damage to Darwin is even more damaging to ID, since what is damaged is Darwin’s sense of evolutionary history fulfilling orderly and meaningful patterns — that is, Darwin at his most religious.
I figure we'll wait forever for them to come to grips with statistical significance. Meanwhile, It might be worth pointing out that Pagel's idea is no help to ID at all.
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To return to the question at hand, if Mark Pagel is correct, then the world is less Darwinian than one thought but also less intelligently ordered: that is, more chaotic and random than even Darwin thought. If Pagel is right, then the slight damage to Darwin is even more damaging to ID, since what is damaged is Darwin’s sense of evolutionary history fulfilling orderly and meaningful patterns — that is, Darwin at his most religious.
I figure we'll wait forever for them to come to grips with statistical significance. Meanwhile, It might be worth pointing out that Pagel's idea is no help to ID at all.
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Can you do geology and junk the evolution bits ?
Post by Henry J
Sounds like he's doggedly sealed the conclusion!
Sounds like he's doggedly sealed the conclusion!
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm
Post by Henry J
It probably depends on how compressed each of them is at the time.
It probably depends on how compressed each of them is at the time.
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Post by Richard Simons
My wife and I are planning on visiting Florida in the second week of April but don't want to spend vast sums. We are interested in wildlife, especially birds, but not in city nightlife. We are currently looking at flying to Tampa then renting a car and driving to Fort Charlotte. Of course, we would like to get into the mangroves, but dashing across the swamps in a propellor-driven boat does not particularly appeal - we would like to be able to go more slowly and to hear things.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we should go and what we should do? Flying in to Orlando or Miami are other possibilities but getting to Miami is more expensive from here.
My wife and I are planning on visiting Florida in the second week of April but don't want to spend vast sums. We are interested in wildlife, especially birds, but not in city nightlife. We are currently looking at flying to Tampa then renting a car and driving to Fort Charlotte. Of course, we would like to get into the mangroves, but dashing across the swamps in a propellor-driven boat does not particularly appeal - we would like to be able to go more slowly and to hear things.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where we should go and what we should do? Flying in to Orlando or Miami are other possibilities but getting to Miami is more expensive from here.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm
Post by Zarquon
Is someone going to ask Joe which is heavier, a pound of feathers or pound of lead?
Is someone going to ask Joe which is heavier, a pound of feathers or pound of lead?
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by JLT
Mung:
Quote Wow. I certainly wouldn’t have put Monton’s book at #3 [of books to read on ID]. He’s off-base on a number of points, doesn’t really address the modern argument as we all know it through Behe, Dembski, et al, and he makes it clear that his designer is God.
and a True ID Proponent would never do that....
Invivosuperstitio: Quote Yes, that clearly means that they were designed.
And it means much more than that. It means: “I am sending another message addressed to your reason saying that: “I am” and that: “I am Good and I am a Marvelous Designer” and “I am Excellent” and that: “I created you in My image and I gave you intelligence to understand that My Creation is marvelous, and I gave you reason so that my message is unequivocal about my existence and my divine power and those that pretend that My message is not clear have no excuse”.
BA77: Quote InVivoVeritas can’t help it if you refuse to open your eyes to see the awesome wonders of design all around you and to then acknowledge the message it is telling us about the “Good” designer i.e. that He is good, powerful, and cares for us. About all we can do with someone like you, who stubbornly refuses to give any glory to God whatsoever, is to sit back and gently laugh in disbelief and wonder what is driving your underlying motives. i.e. Why do you choose to remain blind to what is so obvious?
ALL SCIENCE SO FAR
Mung:
Quote Wow. I certainly wouldn’t have put Monton’s book at #3 [of books to read on ID]. He’s off-base on a number of points, doesn’t really address the modern argument as we all know it through Behe, Dembski, et al, and he makes it clear that his designer is God.
and a True ID Proponent would never do that....
Invivosuperstitio: Quote Yes, that clearly means that they were designed.
And it means much more than that. It means: “I am sending another message addressed to your reason saying that: “I am” and that: “I am Good and I am a Marvelous Designer” and “I am Excellent” and that: “I created you in My image and I gave you intelligence to understand that My Creation is marvelous, and I gave you reason so that my message is unequivocal about my existence and my divine power and those that pretend that My message is not clear have no excuse”.
BA77: Quote InVivoVeritas can’t help it if you refuse to open your eyes to see the awesome wonders of design all around you and to then acknowledge the message it is telling us about the “Good” designer i.e. that He is good, powerful, and cares for us. About all we can do with someone like you, who stubbornly refuses to give any glory to God whatsoever, is to sit back and gently laugh in disbelief and wonder what is driving your underlying motives. i.e. Why do you choose to remain blind to what is so obvious?
ALL SCIENCE SO FAR
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Post by Doc Bill
Quote No it's a member of the prarie kind, and therefore a grass.
Louis
The short haired Tattle Tail comes to mind.
Quote No it's a member of the prarie kind, and therefore a grass.
Louis
The short haired Tattle Tail comes to mind.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by JLT
Sternberg, as quoted by SlimeySal:
Quote Now, the problem with such a statement is this: While there are ~25,000 protein-coding genes in our DNA, the number of RNA-coding genes is predicted to be much higher, >450,000.[1] [...]
So the true number of genes in our DNA is probably “450,000 + 25,000 = 475,000″.
From the abstract of the cited paper (the article is freely available here, but of course not linked at the Disco'tute):
Quote Up to 450 000 non-coding RNAs (ncRNAs) have been predicted to be transcribed from the human genome. However, it still has to be elucidated which of these transcripts represent functional ncRNAs. Since all functional ncRNAs in Eukarya form ribonucleo-protein particles (RNPs), we generated specialized cDNA libraries from size-fractionated RNPs and validated the presence of selected ncRNAs within RNPs by glycerol gradient centrifugation. As a proof of concept, we applied the RNP method to human Hela cells or total mouse brain, and subjected cDNA libraries, generated from the two model systems, to deep-sequencing. Bioinformatical analysis of cDNA sequences revealed several hundred ncRNP candidates. Thereby, ncRNAs candidates were mainly located in intergenic as well as intronic regions of the genome, with a significant overrepresentation of intron-derived ncRNA sequences. Additionally, a number of ncRNAs mapped to repetitive sequences. Thus, our RNP approach provides an efficient way to identify new functional small ncRNA candidates, involved in RNP formation.
The authors didn't look for ncRNAs in protein clusters bigger than 30S and they looked only at one cell type (not all ncRNAs are expressed in all cell types or at all times), so they probably missed a lot. OTOH, they haven't shown that all the identified novel ncRNAs are indeed functional, i.e. it isn't clear how sensitive their method is. Actually, they haven't shown that any of their novel ncRNAs are functional, they only identified candidates.
So, several hundred ncRNA candidates equal "probably 450 000 genes" in Sternberg's world. Fitting, they don't seem to realize the difference between 6000 and 4.5x10^9 years, either.
Sternberg, as quoted by SlimeySal:
Quote Now, the problem with such a statement is this: While there are ~25,000 protein-coding genes in our DNA, the number of RNA-coding genes is predicted to be much higher, >450,000.[1] [...]
So the true number of genes in our DNA is probably “450,000 + 25,000 = 475,000″.
From the abstract of the cited paper (the article is freely available here, but of course not linked at the Disco'tute):
Quote Up to 450 000 non-coding RNAs (ncRNAs) have been predicted to be transcribed from the human genome. However, it still has to be elucidated which of these transcripts represent functional ncRNAs. Since all functional ncRNAs in Eukarya form ribonucleo-protein particles (RNPs), we generated specialized cDNA libraries from size-fractionated RNPs and validated the presence of selected ncRNAs within RNPs by glycerol gradient centrifugation. As a proof of concept, we applied the RNP method to human Hela cells or total mouse brain, and subjected cDNA libraries, generated from the two model systems, to deep-sequencing. Bioinformatical analysis of cDNA sequences revealed several hundred ncRNP candidates. Thereby, ncRNAs candidates were mainly located in intergenic as well as intronic regions of the genome, with a significant overrepresentation of intron-derived ncRNA sequences. Additionally, a number of ncRNAs mapped to repetitive sequences. Thus, our RNP approach provides an efficient way to identify new functional small ncRNA candidates, involved in RNP formation.
The authors didn't look for ncRNAs in protein clusters bigger than 30S and they looked only at one cell type (not all ncRNAs are expressed in all cell types or at all times), so they probably missed a lot. OTOH, they haven't shown that all the identified novel ncRNAs are indeed functional, i.e. it isn't clear how sensitive their method is. Actually, they haven't shown that any of their novel ncRNAs are functional, they only identified candidates.
So, several hundred ncRNA candidates equal "probably 450 000 genes" in Sternberg's world. Fitting, they don't seem to realize the difference between 6000 and 4.5x10^9 years, either.
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Post by Louis
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 14 2010,22:00)But is a prairie dog a member of the dog kind? :p
No it's a member of the prarie kind, and therefore a grass.
Louis
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 14 2010,22:00)But is a prairie dog a member of the dog kind? :p
No it's a member of the prarie kind, and therefore a grass.
Louis
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