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Happy B-Day >Richardthughes (35)
Post by afarensis
Assuming RichardTHughes isn't just another hoax perpetrated by Arden and that shady-looking Carlsonjok fellow, Happy Birthday to the best darn DaveScot impersonator ever!
Assuming RichardTHughes isn't just another hoax perpetrated by Arden and that shady-looking Carlsonjok fellow, Happy Birthday to the best darn DaveScot impersonator ever!
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Kent Hovind on tape
Post by bystander
Quote (lcd @ July 04 2008,04:55)Okay all you Nazi Evolutionists*
(* is this better Lou?)
Don't bait those that are trying to just get me mad.
Check
Okay, I need to deliver up a "Theory of Information".
So I say that there is Information in DNA. I am also saying that this Information can be destroyed but idea that useful info can come about over random processes is not possible.
Now what type of Information is there in DNA? I doubt that the analogy that it is a Document while easy to understand is a very accurate statement. After all we really haven't mapped out the human DNA yet, right? So it will be tough to accually see what's going on.
But we can still do this:
1: My Theory is that DNA has Information that can be destroyed.
2: IT also includes that DNA has Information that is front loaded in the DNA. These parts become active when other parts become de-activated.
3: The prediction that I will state for now, yes I'll do more but I have to learn the terminology better and I'll have to do more studying, is that when you change DNA the function it controls is lost.
As I said, more later but the family is home.
Happy 4th everyone.
This is where the Dembskis of the world are actually evil. For people like lcd it is not a matter of learning new stuff, it is a matter of unlearning the wrong things. Saying "Information cannot be created" doesn't make sense at any level and Dembski and co are still trying to find a definition of information for which this is true.
Whats wrong with the following:
1. A mutation happens which changes DNA
2. The mutation gives an advantage to an individual.
3. The individual survives to have more offspring.
4. The mutation gets fixed in the population
I know that for the experts I've left out a lot of detail but lcd needs to show why this is wrong.
Quote (lcd @ July 04 2008,04:55)Okay all you Nazi Evolutionists*
(* is this better Lou?)
Don't bait those that are trying to just get me mad.
Check
Okay, I need to deliver up a "Theory of Information".
So I say that there is Information in DNA. I am also saying that this Information can be destroyed but idea that useful info can come about over random processes is not possible.
Now what type of Information is there in DNA? I doubt that the analogy that it is a Document while easy to understand is a very accurate statement. After all we really haven't mapped out the human DNA yet, right? So it will be tough to accually see what's going on.
But we can still do this:
1: My Theory is that DNA has Information that can be destroyed.
2: IT also includes that DNA has Information that is front loaded in the DNA. These parts become active when other parts become de-activated.
3: The prediction that I will state for now, yes I'll do more but I have to learn the terminology better and I'll have to do more studying, is that when you change DNA the function it controls is lost.
As I said, more later but the family is home.
Happy 4th everyone.
This is where the Dembskis of the world are actually evil. For people like lcd it is not a matter of learning new stuff, it is a matter of unlearning the wrong things. Saying "Information cannot be created" doesn't make sense at any level and Dembski and co are still trying to find a definition of information for which this is true.
Whats wrong with the following:
1. A mutation happens which changes DNA
2. The mutation gives an advantage to an individual.
3. The individual survives to have more offspring.
4. The mutation gets fixed in the population
I know that for the experts I've left out a lot of detail but lcd needs to show why this is wrong.
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Kent Hovind on tape
Post by Lou FCD
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,17:55)Okay all you Nazi Evolutionists*
(* is this better Lou?)
A little better, it has a more finished feel to it.
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,17:55)Okay, I need to deliver up a "Theory of Information".
Theory is such a strong word. Perhaps you might look up what it means to a scientist, and get off on a better footing.
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,17:55)So I say that there is Information in DNA. I am also saying that this Information can be destroyed but idea that useful info can come about over random processes is not possible.
Now what type of Information is there in DNA? I doubt that the analogy that it is a Document while easy to understand is a very accurate statement. After all we really haven't mapped out the human DNA yet, right? So it will be tough to accually see what's going on.
But we can still do this:
1: My Theory is that DNA has Information that can be destroyed.
2: IT also includes that DNA has Information that is front loaded in the DNA. These parts become active when other parts become de-activated.
3: The prediction that I will state for now, yes I'll do more but I have to learn the terminology better and I'll have to do more studying, is that when you change DNA the function it controls is lost.
Have you tested this idea? How would you go about that? How would you measure the information and what units of measurement would you use?
Has anyone ever even attempted to do this measurement, or defined the units? If so, could you provide a link to the papers? (I prefer .pdfs myself.)
Tell me how you can tell if this information is front-loaded. What test would conclusively determine that the information is in fact front-loaded? What result would disprove your idea? How long ago was it front-loaded, and how did you determine that?
Assuming you can confirm the information is real, that it has some meaning, that it can be measured, and that it is conclusively shown with evidence that it is front-loaded, who front-loaded it, and how would you go about testing that? Was it Yahweh? How do you know it wasn't Zeus or Odin, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or JanieBelle or purple octopus aliens from 55 Cancri?
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,17:55)As I said, more later but the family is home.
Happy 4th everyone.
Enjoy. You have much work to do upon your return before you can bandy about the term "theory" in this context. So relax and enjoy the beer and hotdogs, it may be a very long time before you get out of the lab again.
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,17:55)Okay all you Nazi Evolutionists*
(* is this better Lou?)
A little better, it has a more finished feel to it.
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,17:55)Okay, I need to deliver up a "Theory of Information".
Theory is such a strong word. Perhaps you might look up what it means to a scientist, and get off on a better footing.
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,17:55)So I say that there is Information in DNA. I am also saying that this Information can be destroyed but idea that useful info can come about over random processes is not possible.
Now what type of Information is there in DNA? I doubt that the analogy that it is a Document while easy to understand is a very accurate statement. After all we really haven't mapped out the human DNA yet, right? So it will be tough to accually see what's going on.
But we can still do this:
1: My Theory is that DNA has Information that can be destroyed.
2: IT also includes that DNA has Information that is front loaded in the DNA. These parts become active when other parts become de-activated.
3: The prediction that I will state for now, yes I'll do more but I have to learn the terminology better and I'll have to do more studying, is that when you change DNA the function it controls is lost.
Have you tested this idea? How would you go about that? How would you measure the information and what units of measurement would you use?
Has anyone ever even attempted to do this measurement, or defined the units? If so, could you provide a link to the papers? (I prefer .pdfs myself.)
Tell me how you can tell if this information is front-loaded. What test would conclusively determine that the information is in fact front-loaded? What result would disprove your idea? How long ago was it front-loaded, and how did you determine that?
Assuming you can confirm the information is real, that it has some meaning, that it can be measured, and that it is conclusively shown with evidence that it is front-loaded, who front-loaded it, and how would you go about testing that? Was it Yahweh? How do you know it wasn't Zeus or Odin, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or JanieBelle or purple octopus aliens from 55 Cancri?
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,17:55)As I said, more later but the family is home.
Happy 4th everyone.
Enjoy. You have much work to do upon your return before you can bandy about the term "theory" in this context. So relax and enjoy the beer and hotdogs, it may be a very long time before you get out of the lab again.
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Kent Hovind on tape
Post by Dr.GH
LCD, You haven't got a theory yet. "1: My Theory is that DNA has Information that can be destroyed." is not a theory. A theory is an organized set of statements which describe and predict the behavior of a system, or group of observations. A theory must make predictions that are novel.
You have not even defined "information" or shown that it can be "destroyed" or that it can be carried or represented by DNA.
See, "My Theory" for a short distraction on the nature of theory.
LCD, You haven't got a theory yet. "1: My Theory is that DNA has Information that can be destroyed." is not a theory. A theory is an organized set of statements which describe and predict the behavior of a system, or group of observations. A theory must make predictions that are novel.
You have not even defined "information" or shown that it can be "destroyed" or that it can be carried or represented by DNA.
See, "My Theory" for a short distraction on the nature of theory.
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Expelled: The Real Deal
Post by Albatrossity2
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,16:34)Hey guys,
Waiting for the wife and kids to get back. So I decided to check out what is going on here.
But you apparently couldn't bring yourself to back up any of your claims with a fact or two.
How surprising. If those facts have been misplaced, when your wife and kids get back,maybe you can ask them if they know where you left them...
Quote (lcd @ July 03 2008,16:34)Hey guys,
Waiting for the wife and kids to get back. So I decided to check out what is going on here.
But you apparently couldn't bring yourself to back up any of your claims with a fact or two.
How surprising. If those facts have been misplaced, when your wife and kids get back,maybe you can ask them if they know where you left them...
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Kent Hovind on tape
Post by lcd
Okay all you Nazi Evolutionists*
(* is this better Lou?)
Don't bait those that are trying to just get me mad.
Check
Okay, I need to deliver up a "Theory of Information".
So I say that there is Information in DNA. I am also saying that this Information can be destroyed but idea that useful info can come about over random processes is not possible.
Now what type of Information is there in DNA? I doubt that the analogy that it is a Document while easy to understand is a very accurate statement. After all we really haven't mapped out the human DNA yet, right? So it will be tough to accually see what's going on.
But we can still do this:
1: My Theory is that DNA has Information that can be destroyed.
2: IT also includes that DNA has Information that is front loaded in the DNA. These parts become active when other parts become de-activated.
3: The prediction that I will state for now, yes I'll do more but I have to learn the terminology better and I'll have to do more studying, is that when you change DNA the function it controls is lost.
As I said, more later but the family is home.
Happy 4th everyone.
Okay all you Nazi Evolutionists*
(* is this better Lou?)
Don't bait those that are trying to just get me mad.
Check
Okay, I need to deliver up a "Theory of Information".
So I say that there is Information in DNA. I am also saying that this Information can be destroyed but idea that useful info can come about over random processes is not possible.
Now what type of Information is there in DNA? I doubt that the analogy that it is a Document while easy to understand is a very accurate statement. After all we really haven't mapped out the human DNA yet, right? So it will be tough to accually see what's going on.
But we can still do this:
1: My Theory is that DNA has Information that can be destroyed.
2: IT also includes that DNA has Information that is front loaded in the DNA. These parts become active when other parts become de-activated.
3: The prediction that I will state for now, yes I'll do more but I have to learn the terminology better and I'll have to do more studying, is that when you change DNA the function it controls is lost.
As I said, more later but the family is home.
Happy 4th everyone.
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Expelled: The Real Deal
Post by midwifetoad
Quote As for lawsuits, I'm sure the good people at the Discovery Institute (OBTW, I think the name people around here give it, the "Disco Tute" is funny) are getting ready to do more lawsuits to get the "Evolution Uber Alles"* thrown out and let science back into the classroom.
Now that's funny.
Quote As for lawsuits, I'm sure the good people at the Discovery Institute (OBTW, I think the name people around here give it, the "Disco Tute" is funny) are getting ready to do more lawsuits to get the "Evolution Uber Alles"* thrown out and let science back into the classroom.
Now that's funny.
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Expelled: The Real Deal
Post by lcd
Hey guys,
Waiting for the wife and kids to get back. So I decided to check out what is going on here.
Hmmm, interesting (I've already read the well thought out, very professional and good natured blasting directed at me on the Dr. Hovind thread) that these people and the posters here say that those that are really pro-science, those who want to actually teach all the things in science, such as ID, are the ones who whine and claim persecution.
I guess it all depends on whose doing the whining what you think of them.
As for lawsuits, I'm sure the good people at the Discovery Institute (OBTW, I think the name people around here give it, the "Disco Tute" is funny) are getting ready to do more lawsuits to get the "Evolution Uber Alles"* thrown out and let science back into the classroom.
*Yes my friend, this one's for you.
Hey guys,
Waiting for the wife and kids to get back. So I decided to check out what is going on here.
Hmmm, interesting (I've already read the well thought out, very professional and good natured blasting directed at me on the Dr. Hovind thread) that these people and the posters here say that those that are really pro-science, those who want to actually teach all the things in science, such as ID, are the ones who whine and claim persecution.
I guess it all depends on whose doing the whining what you think of them.
As for lawsuits, I'm sure the good people at the Discovery Institute (OBTW, I think the name people around here give it, the "Disco Tute" is funny) are getting ready to do more lawsuits to get the "Evolution Uber Alles"* thrown out and let science back into the classroom.
*Yes my friend, this one's for you.
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Expelled: The Real Deal
Post by Dr.GH
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 03 2008,14:04)No one looks at the bathrrom wall today. For those interested in reading and possibly quoting from the lawsuit, I have a text pdf.
text pdf
Thanks (Thanks to ERV as well)
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 03 2008,14:04)No one looks at the bathrrom wall today. For those interested in reading and possibly quoting from the lawsuit, I have a text pdf.
text pdf
Thanks (Thanks to ERV as well)
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Information Suppressed on Louisiana Science Education Act and Evolution by Louisiana Newspaper
The following information was suppressed by Louisiana Advocate reporter Will Sentell in his story titled "La. alone with controversial science law." Contrary to Sentell's report, Louisiana is definitely not alone in promoting the critical analysis of evolution. This background information was sent to Mr. Sentell after he interviewed Casey Luskin of Discovery Institute and before he filed his article. But he apparently didn't want to let the facts get in the way of his story: STATE AND LOCAL POLICIES SUPPORTING CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF EVOLUTION As of 2008, eight states have adopted statewide laws or science standards that (1) encourage or...
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Expelled: The Real Deal
Post by midwifetoad
No one looks at the bathrrom wall today. For those interested in reading and possibly quoting from the lawsuit, I have a text pdf.
text pdf
No one looks at the bathrrom wall today. For those interested in reading and possibly quoting from the lawsuit, I have a text pdf.
text pdf
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Expelled: The Real Deal
Post by Lou FCD
Thanks, TT. I had been looking for this thread several pages back, but couldn't find it this morning. I posted over in the Expelled thread.
Thanks, TT. I had been looking for this thread several pages back, but couldn't find it this morning. I posted over in the Expelled thread.
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Happy B-Day >Richardthughes (35)
Post by Lou FCD
Happy birthday, Rich. You've earned another year of life.
Hope it's full of drunken debauchery.
Happy birthday, Rich. You've earned another year of life.
Hope it's full of drunken debauchery.
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Happy B-Day >Richardthughes (35)
Post by Kristine
Quote (Assassinator @ July 03 2008,13:17)My my, 35, you're getting old!
Hey! Justadoggonminute, thar!
SHUT UP AND LISTEN ‘CAUSE I’M AGIN. YEAH, I CAN HAZ BENCHPRESS 1500 LBS ON MY BIRTHDAY, AND BY LBS I MEAN LIBBERAL ESKIMO WOMEN WITH A GAY BABY LOLCAT FOR A MATE, HAR HAR. KRISTINE, GOOD LUCK WITH THE WORKOUT, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT MINOR EARTHQUAKE IN SRIFA, LEBANON WASN’T YOU SHIMMYING ON YOUR WAY TO WHOLE FOODS FOR MOAR FETA, HA, HA, YOU NEED TO LEARN WHEN YOU’VE HAD ENOUGH AND KISS JAD FOR ME.
Quote (Assassinator @ July 03 2008,13:17)My my, 35, you're getting old!
Hey! Justadoggonminute, thar!
SHUT UP AND LISTEN ‘CAUSE I’M AGIN. YEAH, I CAN HAZ BENCHPRESS 1500 LBS ON MY BIRTHDAY, AND BY LBS I MEAN LIBBERAL ESKIMO WOMEN WITH A GAY BABY LOLCAT FOR A MATE, HAR HAR. KRISTINE, GOOD LUCK WITH THE WORKOUT, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT MINOR EARTHQUAKE IN SRIFA, LEBANON WASN’T YOU SHIMMYING ON YOUR WAY TO WHOLE FOODS FOR MOAR FETA, HA, HA, YOU NEED TO LEARN WHEN YOU’VE HAD ENOUGH AND KISS JAD FOR ME.
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Happy Birthday Steve!
Post by Paul Flocken
Belated HBD Steve,
I still owe you a burrito, so if you make it down to Wilmington, make it two now. :D
Belated HBD Steve,
I still owe you a burrito, so if you make it down to Wilmington, make it two now. :D
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Discussing "Explore Evolution"
Post by stevestory
Quote That's quite a disturbing admission. It appears that you have been exposed to a lot of scholarly erudition re Haeckel. Yet your book contains falsehoods about his current impact on biology textbooks, and you are associated with the DI, where another fellow has published another book with falsehoods about relationships between Darwin, Haeckel, and Hitler. Yet you go blithely on, as if none of this matters...
That's the sad transition everyone goes through with Paul. He's superficially nice and pleasant so you give him the benefit of the doubt at first. Slowly you realize he has to know his claims are BS, yet he keeps doing it, and he's just as dishonest as the rest of them.
Quote That's quite a disturbing admission. It appears that you have been exposed to a lot of scholarly erudition re Haeckel. Yet your book contains falsehoods about his current impact on biology textbooks, and you are associated with the DI, where another fellow has published another book with falsehoods about relationships between Darwin, Haeckel, and Hitler. Yet you go blithely on, as if none of this matters...
That's the sad transition everyone goes through with Paul. He's superficially nice and pleasant so you give him the benefit of the doubt at first. Slowly you realize he has to know his claims are BS, yet he keeps doing it, and he's just as dishonest as the rest of them.
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Happy B-Day >Richardthughes (35)
Post by Assassinator
My my, 35, you're getting old!
So a very happy birthday from that shitty little country called Holland!
My my, 35, you're getting old!
So a very happy birthday from that shitty little country called Holland!
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Advocate Newspaper Knowingly Publishes False Information About Louisiana Law Regarding Teaching of Evolution
[UPDATE: Previously there was a mistake in the quote indicating Missouri was the state with the law regarding evolution. This has been corrected to Mississippi.] The Advocate newspaper in Baton Rouge Louisiana today published a front page story about Louisiana’s new law regarding teaching of evolution that contains a completely false statement in the lead. The paper reported an unnamed official stated that “Louisiana is the only state in the nation that has enacted a law that could change the way evolution is taught in public schools.” Louisiana recently enacted the Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA) which protects teachers that...
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Understanding Intelligent Design In Plain Language
Post by Assassinator
That discussion I made a thread about (a long long time ago) has flared up again. And this guy is summing up ID like this:
ID says that *ahem* non-trivial algoritmic systems cannot spontaniously arise. To realise non-trivial algoritmic systems, you need an intelligent designer.
How does that compare what Dembski says in his book?
PS: And ofcourse, I kept asking if he could actually start talking about biology here. And ofcourse, he won't do that, because then everything would just get confusing. A lovely discussion.
That discussion I made a thread about (a long long time ago) has flared up again. And this guy is summing up ID like this:
ID says that *ahem* non-trivial algoritmic systems cannot spontaniously arise. To realise non-trivial algoritmic systems, you need an intelligent designer.
How does that compare what Dembski says in his book?
PS: And ofcourse, I kept asking if he could actually start talking about biology here. And ofcourse, he won't do that, because then everything would just get confusing. A lovely discussion.
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