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Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2021,16:36    Yeah, he's confusing ability to compute one from the other*, with equality of the two. *(If speed is known, although there's no guarantee that he's even aware of that part of it.)

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2021,22:42    Quote (Henry J @ July 04 2021,16:36) Yeah, he's confusing ability to compute one from the other*, with equality of the two. *(If speed is known, although there's no guarantee that he's even aware of that part of it.) And, responding as Pavlov’s dogs would, he reacted to my comment with this. Quote ADDED BECAUSE KEVIN IS JUST A RETARDED INFANT: Quote What Joe keeps ignoring in this response is that he didn’t use his “interchangeable”, or “context” arguments until a year after his frequency = wavelength claim. You stupid fuck! AGAIN, I shouldn't have had to say anything! The fact that I had to explain it to you PROVES that you are an ignorant infant! Quote Until then, he was simply defending the obviously false claim. Except it isn't false and was easily explained. That you cannot understand it, even after years of having it explained to you PROVES that you are a willfully ignorant infant. OH Joke, are you still claiming that frequency = wavelength? Silly child. Did you never learn what the equal sign means?

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2021,00:28    Joey's not even entertaining any more. Just impotent and sad. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2021,06:54    Viatwitter, even Shannon was unimpressed with a lot of the ways information theory was being (ab)used.. I thought this was especially relevant: Quote I personally believe that many of the concepts of information theory will prove useful in these other fields-and, indeed, some results are already quite promising-but the establishing of such applications is not a trivial matter of translating words to a new domain, but rather the slow tedious process of hypothesis and experimental verification. If, for example, the human being acts in some situation -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2021,08:25    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 04 2021,23:42) Quote (Henry J @ July 04 2021,16:36) Yeah, he's confusing ability to compute one from the other*, with equality of the two. *(If speed is known, although there's no guarantee that he's even aware of that part of it.) And, responding as Pavlov’s dogs would, he reacted to my comment with this. Quote ADDED BECAUSE KEVIN IS JUST A RETARDED INFANT: Quote What Joe keeps ignoring in this response is that he didn’t use his “interchangeable”, or “context” arguments until a year after his frequency = wavelength claim. You stupid fuck! AGAIN, I shouldn't have had to say anything! The fact that I had to explain it to you PROVES that you are an ignorant infant! Quote Until then, he was simply defending the obviously false claim. Except it isn't false and was easily explained. That you cannot understand it, even after years of having it explained to you PROVES that you are a willfully ignorant infant. OH Joke, are you still claiming that frequency = wavelength? Silly child. Did you never learn what the equal sign means? Joe’s a test case w/r/t whether a personality disorder is a mental illness.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2021,11:21    Should I take pride in the fact that four out of the last seven OPS Joke has posted over at his blog are about me? Or is this just his indirect way of expressing his homosexuality  crush on me?

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2021,14:08    Hopefully there are better choices out there somewhere.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2021,18:34    Quote Jack July 5, 2021 at 4:57 pm KF: WJM, it is clear, sadly: qed How so? Even C.S. Lewis acknowledged that experience means nothing without an interpretative framework. You seem to think your ontological framework is unassailable. But you can’t make the case for it for which all persons of good reason and experience and good will can agree. Arrogance is not an argument. Repeating your ontology over and over is not an argument. Denying reality is not an argument. Clutching your pearls is not an argument. Your ontology and epistemology are not self-evidence truths. If they were, you and (the very intelligent and clear) WJM would not be having a discussion. QED denied. 120 Jack July 5, 2021 at 5:30 pm KF, to continue… You get your consciousness for free, you get your senses and raw experiences for free, but you don’t get your ontology for free. So far, no sale. It seems like you know this and are arguing in bad faith. OK, who’s sock is Jack? Link

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2021,21:51    I think Jack is Karen McMannis reincarnated, although who she is/was is also unknown. I really like "arrogance is not an argument." Also, "QED denied" although "QED fails" would have been better.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2021,05:02    Lewontin! -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2021,07:07    Quote 14 TAMMIE LEE HAYNES July 5, 2021 at 5:58 pm Guys, our poor Atheist friends. Be nice to them. For generations they were on top. . But that was then now is now. Today, Origin of Life research is a joke. Darwinism is a fraud. Freudian Psychology is quackery. And Creationism is in the catbird seat. But take the high road. Laugh at Atheist Science, but the people, dont don’t kick them when they’re down. Poor Dumb Tammy

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2021,09:54    Quote 134 Jack July 6, 2021 at 8:49 am Sandy. Re “common sense.” My point being that “common sense” merely means “what people generally think about stuff and how they reason based on their world view.” KF uses it as a rhetorical device as if it somehow helps to substantiate his circular argument. It has no material relevance to the discussion. LOL

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2021,11:09    Quote 136 Jerry July 6, 2021 at 9:32 am Quote KF uses it as a rhetorical device as if it somehow helps to substantiate his circular argument Why don’t you lay out why Kf’s argument is circular. Please Kf and others stay out of this. I’m interested in what someone who just showed up has to say. I have stopped reading anything Kf and Murray have to say to each other and am curious. I don’t have much hope to get a coherent answer because coherence is the least thing there is about these threads. LOL. Guess who commented immediately next? https://tinyurl.com/njhbhys....jhbhysm

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2021,13:28    Quote 142 Jack July 6, 2021 at 10:47 am KF: I don’t see anyone here denying “first principles”, if what you mean logic and math. WJM said (twice), that unavoidables include… Quote 1. I (the sentient being) exist as an identifiable “I.” 2. Therefore, a fundamental experience of self and other. 3. Principles of logic. 4. Free will 5. Coherent self and environment. 6. All experience is subjective. 7. All experience occurs in mind. And Quote 1. Existential unavoidables, self-evident truths, necessary truths (logic, math, self/other, etc.) 2. The highly consistent, persistent, measurable, predictable, operable, apparently consensual set of experiences we currently call “the physical world,” including our physical body 3. Senses 4. Memory 5. Emotion (including conscience, empathy, sense of duty, desire, concern for others, love, etc.) 6. Imagination 7. Intention/preference (free will) 8. Attention 9. Dreams 10. Sense of continuity/sequentiality (time) It seems to me that either you’re arguing in bad faith, or you are unable to follow the thread coherently. P.S. how does WJM’s experiences with his “deceased” wife fit into your ontology/epistemology? Your clear and unambiguous answer warmly anticipated and appreciated. hehehehe

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2021,18:35    Quote Not to enflame the alien hunters out there, but videos of the UFO’s taken by jets show two characteristics: a) high speed (altitude) b) high acceleration. they show absolutely no such thing. They show impossible-to-decipher spots of light and dark moving quickly across the screen. Is it an electrical phenomenon? Is it an optical phenomenon? Nobody has any idea. 50 years ago, we had a few blurry, hazy, unclear photos of UFOs. Now that 1 billion people are carrying high-definition cameras around every waking moment, we have…a few blurry, hazy, unclear photos of UFOs.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2021,18:47    Yeah, just consider what the "U" in that acronym stands for.

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2021,00:18    Quote (Bob O'H @ July 06 2021,03:02) Lewontin! I had just posted to the remnant TO discussion as a Quote Mine add the 1997 item from Lewontin's review of Sagan's "Demon Haunted World." I hope Lewontin died easy. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2021,01:05    Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2021,06:04) Oh shit, y’all! After 12 months, there’s a new ‘paper’ at Bio-Craplexity! A Presbyterian Elder with an engineering* background examines the bacterial flagellum! Quote An engineering perspective on the bacterial flagellum A new paper at Bio-Complexity: This study examines the bacterial flagellum from an engineering viewpoint. This examination concentrates on the structure, proteins, control, and assembly of a typical flagellum, which is the organelle imparting motility to common bacteria. Two very different, independent approaches are applied and then compared in three separate papers: Parts 1, 2, *surprised, aren’t you!  :p Earlier than expected but again nothing more than another CPR. Enough to push it over to the next year but insufficient for self-sustaining survival. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2021,08:12    So, does "from an engineering viewpoint" mean they're looking for differences between this feature and what an actual engineer might have done?

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2021,09:45    Quote (sparc @ July 07 2021,01:05) Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2021,06:04) Oh shit, y’all! After 12 months, there’s a new ‘paper’ at Bio-Craplexity! A Presbyterian Elder with an engineering* background examines the bacterial flagellum!   Quote An engineering perspective on the bacterial flagellum A new paper at Bio-Complexity: This study examines the bacterial flagellum from an engineering viewpoint. This examination concentrates on the structure, proteins, control, and assembly of a typical flagellum, which is the organelle imparting motility to common bacteria. Two very different, independent approaches are applied and then compared in three separate papers: Parts 1, 2, *surprised, aren’t you!  :p Earlier than expected but again nothing more than another CPR. Enough to push it over to the next year but insufficient for self-sustaining survival. ETA: aka the living dead -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 09 2021,18:47    Bob is trying to explain that Popper’s falsifiability criterion isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, take for example the falsification of Newton’s Laws, therefore Einstein, and BatShit is misunderstanding everything and going full Argle Bargle.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2021,15:07    Quote (stevestory @ July 09 2021,18:47) Bob is trying to explain that Popper’s falsifiability criterion isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, take for example the falsification of Newton’s Laws, therefore Einstein, and BatShit is misunderstanding everything and going full Argle Bargle.  :p It managed to get worse. He now doesn't seem to even know that we are discussing philosophy of science and epistemology. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2021,17:32    Quote (Bob O'H @ July 10 2021,16:07) Quote (stevestory @ July 09 2021,18:47) Bob is trying to explain that Popper’s falsifiability criterion isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, take for example the falsification of Newton’s Laws, therefore Einstein, and BatShit is misunderstanding everything and going full Argle Bargle.  :p It managed to get worse. He now doesn't seem to even know that we are discussing philosophy of science and epistemology. That’s…exactly the class I had where we discussed those exact topics.

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2021,01:17    Something DeNewsey added to her post about UFOs has tipped Polistra over an edge: Quote 4 polistra July 10, 2021 at 10:59 pm THE FUCKING VIRUS DID NOT SHUT DOWN THE WORLD. STOP BLAMING AND FRAMING THE POOR LITTLE ORDINARY VIRUS FOR THE EVIL DEMONIC ACTS OF SATANIC DEMONIC PSYCHOPATHIC “HUMANOIDS”. GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS RIGHT. Oh dear -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2021,07:26    Quote (Ptaylor @ July 11 2021,02:17) Something DeNewsey added to her post about UFOs has tipped Polistra over an edge:   Quote 4 polistra July 10, 2021 at 10:59 pm THE FUCKING VIRUS DID NOT SHUT DOWN THE WORLD. STOP BLAMING AND FRAMING THE POOR LITTLE ORDINARY VIRUS FOR THE EVIL DEMONIC ACTS OF SATANIC DEMONIC PSYCHOPATHIC “HUMANOIDS”. GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS RIGHT. Oh dear Is this QAnon gibberish? KF and BS77 are definitely up for that. Maybe Joe isn’t so stupid. We’re watching on the sidelines.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 11 2021,14:23    Quote Jack July 11, 2021 at 10:08 am Hopefully, ETs are as simple as possible. But no simpler. Well, the only ET I know is moronically simple. :)

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2021,00:20    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ July 11 2021,14:23) Quote Jack July 11, 2021 at 10:08 am Hopefully, ETs are as simple as possible. But no simpler. Well, the only ET I know is moronically simple. :) Lol. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2021,09:11    Quote Science At Mind Matters News: Michael Egnor Takes A More Jaundiced View Of Richard Lewontin Posted onJuly 11, 2021 AuthorNewsComment(0) Spread the love Michael Egnor asks, re Richard Lewontin, Is it scientific misconduct to make science about materialist atheism? Quote My friend and colleague Casey Luskin has penned a poignant essay in memory of Richard Lewontin, a Harvard evolutionary biologist who passed away at 92 recently. Casey is a gentleman and a scholar, and very much disposed to finding the best in people. Indeed it seems there was much that was very good in Lewontin’s persona, and Casey highlighted it beautifully in his encomium. …

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2021,09:16    Quote (stevestory @ July 12 2021,09:11) Quote Science At Mind Matters News: Michael Egnor Takes A More Jaundiced View Of Richard Lewontin Posted onJuly 11, 2021 AuthorNewsComment(0) Spread the love Michael Egnor asks, re Richard Lewontin, Is it scientific misconduct to make science about materialist atheism?   Quote My friend and colleague Casey Luskin has penned a poignant essay in memory of Richard Lewontin, a Harvard evolutionary biologist who passed away at 92 recently. Casey is a gentleman and a scholar, and very much disposed to finding the best in people. Indeed it seems there was much that was very good in Lewontin’s persona, and Casey highlighted it beautifully in his encomium. … It will come as no surprise that Egnor has mis-construed the quote. The whole article is fascinating, raising some important issues about how science is communicated, and how the value of expertise should be seen. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2021,09:20    Dr. Lewontin "...a self described Marxist who chops his own wood" is now permanently dead. Richard C. Lewontin, Eminent Geneticist With a Sharp Pen, Dies at 92 https://www.nytimes.com/2021....xxYyT1A -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

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