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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,16:44   

Quote (JohnW @ April 20 2011,15:32)
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 20 2011,13:21)
yeah, 'bout what I thought.

Hmmm... anyone try running a series of 500 random numbers through the CSI thingy and then reporting the results.  It would be a false positive of design.

I know, it doesn't actually matter.  I'm trying to contribute.

But you'd have to design the process of running the random numbers through the CSI thingy.  Therefore Jesus.

But if we can prove the sequence is random...

hmmm....

how about this a hexdecimal string 63 characters long that is totally random.  Then we ask if that has CSI or CSFI or whatever.

It is complexity because it's totally random and non-compressible.  It has function because it's the public key to an encryption scheme.  It must be random or it would be easily crackable.

Therefore, false positive for design.  Sure (and I'm thinking that this is the confusion that gets IDists everytime) the PROCESS is designed, but the results are not (just like evolution).

CJ, you are way too accurate.  Thanks (in a non-creepy way).

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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,16:47   

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After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...

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"I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,16:57   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 20 2011,16:47)
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After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...



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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,17:09   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2011,22:57)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 20 2011,16:47)
Quote
After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...



DEATH STAR

Size: Small moon
Population English

Ok, I loled. I'm not afraid to admit it.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,17:38   

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2011,17:57)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 20 2011,16:47)
 
Quote
After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...



DEATH STAR

Size: Small moon
Population English

Affectation: Nazi

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,17:53   

Quote (Louis @ April 20 2011,22:25)
Is the "See if I give a fuck" Foundation twinned with the DILIGAF* Corporation?

*Do I look like I give a fuck.

Actually, both have been acquired by Europe's Favourite Airline.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,18:34   

Quote (Freddie @ April 20 2011,13:46)
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 20 2011,13:36)
Makes me wonder what will happen to ole Joe once the evil Darwinists (whoever they are) are defeated.

Remember, Joe thinks ID is not anti-evolution.  So he's going to either change his tune to true belief in ID or he's going to be out on his keister so fast it'll make the ticks in his watermelon spin.


Of course, there are additional possibilities for handling the unbelievers when such a theocracy comes into power.  

Maybe they could invent some appropriate (and yet ironic) ending involving water and electricity.

That is why my arm jerked when I tried to short a spark plug without grounding it first - the electricity was repelling the water in the arm!

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paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,19:00   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 20 2011,15:38)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2011,17:57)
   
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 20 2011,16:47)
     
Quote
After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...



DEATH STAR

Size: Small moon
Population English

Affectation: Nazi

Style: SASSY!

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,19:00   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 20 2011,17:38)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2011,17:57)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 20 2011,16:47)
   
Quote
After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...



DEATH STAR

Size: Small moon
Population English

Affectation: Nazi

At least they weren't Illinois Nazis.  I hate Illinois Nazis.

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,20:13   

Because I languish in moderation:

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KL
04/20/2011
4:57 am
OK, that’s a start-2 days in moderation, although my last post on the thread WITH MY NAME ON IT has been in moderation for 5 days and counting. With this moderation policy my question is held until the conversation moves on before appearing, so I don’t get an answer.

I will ask again: Explain the fossil record for hominids (ages, features, distribution) using, as another poster said, the paradigm of ID. If ID is to be treated as science, it must explain the existing evidence (and new evidence) better than evolution.




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Joseph
04/20/2011
7:17 am
KL,

ID is not anti-evolution, meaning you need a blind watchmaker explanation (for the fossils), not just an evolutionary explanation. Good luck with that.

Also ID does not require the supernatural. With ID it is ARTIFICIAL vs natural.




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KL
04/20/2011
7:25 am
That’s not addressing the original claim, Joseph. The claim is that the explanations by physical and paleo-anthropologists is WRONG. So, if ID is the new paradigm, use it. Use it to explain the features, ages and distribution of the fossils. That’s what scientific theories are for. The authors here made these claims, essentially dismissing the work of my spouse and colleague. They made the claim, so they need to support it.

Maybe you want to give it a go? No one else here seems to want to.




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Joseph
04/20/2011
7:47 am
But anyway KL- could you ask your spouse (and her colleague) if there is any genetic evidence that can be linked to the transformations.

IOW how can we test the claim that the fossils they have represent a lineage or tree or bush- that is represent common ancestry?

The point being is with 35 million years and new genes fruit flies are still fruit flies. Yet you expect us to accept that a slower reproducing population can make great gains in a shorter time period.




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KL
04/20/2011
10:40 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Joseph, you are not answering the question. Explain the hominid fossil record from the ID paradigm. To do so you must actually discuss the fossils: their features, ages and distribution. Until you do (or someone does) the paradigm of evolution still reigns. That’s how science works. So, Wanna try again?




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Joseph
04/20/2011
6:36 pm
OK KL, I will explain the pattern you (your wife and her colleague) see with the fossils- patternicity




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KL
04/20/2011
7:12 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Joseph, that is simply not addressing the specifics. If you at UD know so much about these fossils that you know a better explanation than the folks that have done the work throughout their careers, then let’s have it. But you must use the specific features, ages and geographic distributions when doing so. The details matter.

BTW, I am female-my spouse is my husband. AND that’s colleagueS. Many colleagues that are anthropologists and biologists and geologists.

Of course, this post like my last one will; be in moderation for awhile. My last post was at 10:40 AM. I’s now after 7PM.

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,20:33   

Of course the ud'ders have no more ability to provide an explanation than FL does calculating, using Euclidian geometry, how much water it would take to cover the Earth to a depth of N feet, pick your N.  They will simply run away.

The quickest way to get a creationist to discover he has other things to do like shopping, haircuts and "important projects" is to hold them to a single explanation.

Joseph is probably the stupidest of the ud'ders and that's saying something.  He's like a wicked combination of mentally retarded, sociopathetic, ADD, undereducated, sexually repressed and basically stupid human being that you'd be pressed to create even if you were an Unintelligent Creator.  Why his mom lets him access the Internet is a mystery.

  
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,23:04   

I though this latest picture of O'Dreary over at UD looked familiar...




...then I remembered:



Separated at birth?

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: April 20 2011,23:30   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 20 2011,20:33)
Of course the ud'ders have no more ability to provide an explanation than FL does calculating, using Euclidian geometry, how much water it would take to cover the Earth to a depth of N feet, pick your N.  They will simply run away.

That's the electricity repelling the water in their bodies.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,00:17   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 20 2011,15:38)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2011,17:57)
   
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 20 2011,16:47)
     
Quote
After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...



DEATH STAR

Size: Small moon
Population English

Affectation: Nazi

Original Nazi Death Star

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,06:55   

Continuing conversation with Joseph:




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KL
04/21/2011
5:26 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Regarding this article:
Having a background in both education and geoscience, I am curious as to why the ID community finds it relevant. The difficulty of measuring the effectiveness of education in any discipline area is common, and because you are working with complicated subjects (students) the work takes on a different nature than when working in the science field. So what? The fields of educational psychology and research methods handle this conflict just fine. How does that figure into the debate between “materialist” restrictions of science and ID?

Of course, as usual, this will be hours in moderation. I am writing and submitting at 5:20 AM MDT, which appears to be the time that the blog server records.

Oh, and Joseph, I eagerly await your answer regarding the hominid fossil record.



Passed in cyber space with this:
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Joseph
04/21/2011
5:25 am
KL/ lkeithlu:

Explain the hominid fossil record from the ID paradigm.

ID is not anti-evolution nor anti- common ancestry.

The fossils are of organisms that once lived.

Thre, they are explained.

Patternicity explains the pattern evos “see”.

Can you follow along?

Until you do (or someone does) the paradigm of evolution still reigns.

What “evolution” reigns? Blind watchmaker evolution or Intellignet Dsign evolution?

Or are you just clueless, lkeithlu?

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KL
04/21/2011
5:53 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Hmmm… posts crossing in cyberspace.

“The fossils are of organisms that once lived.

Thre, they are explained.”

Hardly. No mention of a single fossil, bone interface, location, age or relative age, digit length or joint angle. Anthropologists use specifics. Biometrics. Dating techniques. Stratigraphy. Anatomy of present species. Comparisons with other fossils. You will have to do better, or admit you don’t know the science.

“What “evolution” reigns? Blind watchmaker evolution or Intellignet Dsign evolution?”

Explain the evidence using “Intelligent Design Evolution”

“Or are you just clueless, lkeithlu?”

My username here is KL, as I came here long before I went to PT. I decided not to try and change it to lkeithlu here because I thought it would be interpreted as an attempt to bypass my earlier banning. I was banned by DaveScot for questioning the posts regarding the Templeton Foundation. I hit a nerve. SideWiki on my original thread directed viewers to PT when it was clear that my posts are held in moderation WAY longer than others. In fact, one post has been in moderation since last Friday morning. I’d love an explanation, but none seems forthcoming. I have not used bad language.

He's on to me! Curses!
Actually, I never tried to conceal my cross posting to PT.

  
lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,08:20   

Because this is progressing (in kind of a goofy way because of the moderation time) I will continue to cross post here. At the least Joseph can see it before the moderation lifts:
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Joseph
04/21/2011
7:04 am
KL/lkeithlu:

Explain the hominid fossil record from the ID paradigm.

Seeing that ID is neither anti-evolution nor anti- common ancestry and seeing tat fossils cannot tell us anything about mechanisms, ID is OK with the way the fossils are currently explained.




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KL
04/21/2011
7:08 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Sorry, Joseph, but you appear to be in disagreement with both kairosfocus and O’Leary. They specifically said that my spouse and his numerous colleagues had wasted their careers chasing a fantasy. So, do you break with the ID crowd here?

  
lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,08:53   

Long post from kairosfocus:


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kairosfocus
04/21/2011
7:32 am
KL:

I am afraid you are playing at turnabout challenge, burden of proof shifting, and defaulting on a prioris to evo mat; again.
(snip)

So, KL, it is time for you to now show by writing out a true and fair summary that you understand what we are saying, and that you have moved beyond setting up, sliming and knocking over rhetorically convenient strawman opponents.

Then, you can explain to us how the Dawkinsian Blind Watchmaker evo mat view accounts successfully, step by step, on evidence, for the human linguistic capacity.

For, unlike ID — a specifically minimalist theme on detecting design as causative factor on empirically reliable signs thereof, it claims to be a successful and complete account of origins of life forms.

GEM of TKI




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kairosfocus
04/21/2011
7:47 am
Alfred Russel Wallace




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KL
04/21/2011
7:50 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

“For, unlike ID — a specifically minimalist theme on detecting design as causative factor on empirically reliable signs thereof..”

That’s exactly what I am asking you to do here, applied to the hominid fossil record. So, let’s have it.


I now have 4 posts in moderation, all parts of a conversation. To an onlooker this thread must look pretty goofy.

  
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,09:04   

Quote (lkeithlu @ April 21 2011,09:53)
Long post from kairosfocus:


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kairosfocus
04/21/2011
7:32 am
KL:

I am afraid you are playing at turnabout challenge, burden of proof shifting, and defaulting on a prioris to evo mat; again.
(snip)

So, KL, it is time for you to now show by writing out a true and fair summary that you understand what we are saying, and that you have moved beyond setting up, sliming and knocking over rhetorically convenient strawman opponents.

Then, you can explain to us how the Dawkinsian Blind Watchmaker evo mat view accounts successfully, step by step, on evidence, for the human linguistic capacity.

For, unlike ID — a specifically minimalist theme on detecting design as causative factor on empirically reliable signs thereof, it claims to be a successful and complete account of origins of life forms.

GEM of TKI




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kairosfocus
04/21/2011
7:47 am
Alfred Russel Wallace




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KL
04/21/2011
7:50 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

“For, unlike ID — a specifically minimalist theme on detecting design as causative factor on empirically reliable signs thereof..”

That’s exactly what I am asking you to do here, applied to the hominid fossil record. So, let’s have it.


I now have 4 posts in moderation, all parts of a conversation. To an onlooker this thread must look pretty goofy.

It would appear that they are incapable of stooping to your pathetic level of detail.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,09:29   

Quote (lkeithlu @ April 21 2011,08:53)
Long post from kairosfocus:


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kairosfocus
04/21/2011
7:32 am
KL:

I am afraid you are playing at turnabout challenge, burden of proof shifting, and defaulting on a prioris to evo mat; again.
(snip)

So, KL, it is time for you to now show by writing out a true and fair summary that you understand what we are saying, and that you have moved beyond setting up, sliming and knocking over rhetorically convenient strawman opponents.

Shorter Gordon:  Until you understand my genius, I shall not stoop to respond to you.

KF states that primatologists have wasted their lives developing fairy tales about hominid development. Yet, he has provided no alternative explanation/model from the ID perspective.  And he won't provide any such explanation until you jump through a series of hoops set up by him.  There is a turnabout challenge on the table, but I don't think you are the one playing it.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:00   

Gordy:
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In short design theory is neither for nor against macroevolution or common descent.

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So, whether or not evolutionary mechanisms were involved, we have good reason to know that the cause is design.

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Fossils are remnants and do not directly imply design save where maybe we have something irreducibly complex or have enough DNA or maybe protein preserved to see us past the Chi metric-type complexity threshold.


Tard.

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PTET



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:05   

Quote (carlsonjok @ April 21 2011,09:29)
...Shorter Gordon:  Until you understand my genius, I shall not stoop to respond to you.

KF states that primatologists have wasted their lives developing fairy tales about hominid development. Yet, he has provided no alternative explanation/model from the ID perspective.  And he won't provide any such explanation until you jump through a series of hoops set up by him.  There is a turnabout challenge on the table, but I don't think you are the one playing it.

As ever, kind of the like the Bible Code, there are clues within KF's circumambages...

"...I spoke of generally accepted records of observation by intelligent, credible observers, as the context suggests. Fossils, BTW, are not records, but objects on the ground. We construct a record based on recovery of same and compilation into a body of record, mostly over the past 200 or so years."

iow, KL's husband and his colleagues are not "intelligent, credible observers" and Fossils aren't records.

Can you guess who FK does think was an "intelligent, credible observer" as to the history of life on earth? Here's a clue from the same thread:

"12 –> If you find it offensive to be reminded that 2,00 [sic] years ago the apostle put his worldview on the line on the contention that the evidence would compellingly point to a designed nature, and has been supported over 2000 years of investigation, that tells me a lot about attitude, and none of it good."

The shorter shorter KF: Are you calling Jesus a liar?

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:16   

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After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...



DEATH STAR

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Population English

Affectation: Nazi

Therefore: Darwin is responsible for the rise of Empire. (Richard Weikart says so.)

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:17   

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I am afraid you are playing at turnabout challenge, burden of proof shifting, and defaulting on a prioris to evo mat; again.
(snip)


Oh that's hypocritical, Mullings you windbag. The initial challenge was to calculate CSI. And you shat your pants.

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Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:25   

On a lighter note:

GEM of TURKI:
 
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I come from an island that has a mountain range down its middle, with branch ranges and side hills. I now live in another, that has three main volcanic edifices and some side-hills.

So, I am quite aware of having multiple peaks reachable by hill-climbing.

(Oddly, I have never been to Blue Mountain peak, nor have I ever taken the local Centre Hills tour! I am much more inclined to head for a beach, rod in hand . . . )

<snigger>.  Bolding and ellipsis in original due to linky and inability to finish sentence.  Makes it all the funnier.

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:27   

Quote (PTET @ April 21 2011,10:05)
As ever, kind of the like the Bible Code, there are clues within KF's

I actually bought "The Bible Code" book recently just to laugh at how Dembski got taken in by such pap.

Honestly, it's rubbish from start to end. Mostly page after page of "examples". Might as well throw a scrabble set up in the air and "interpret" the results.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:35   

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Of course the ud'ders have no more ability to provide an explanation than FL does calculating, using Euclidian geometry, how much water it would take to cover the Earth to a depth of N feet, pick your N.  They will simply run away.

The quickest way to get a creationist to discover he has other things to do like shopping, haircuts and "important projects" is to hold them to a single explanation.

Joseph is probably the stupidest of the ud'ders and that's saying something.  He's like a wicked combination of mentally retarded, sociopathetic, ADD, undereducated, sexually repressed and basically stupid human being that you'd be pressed to create even if you were an Unintelligent Creator.  Why his mom lets him access the Internet is a mystery.

I haven't gone to the thread (ETA: to see if Joe has done this yet), but you left out the other reaction - threaten to want to meet you someplace to beat you up, then run away when the possibility of meeting you becomes real.

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"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

  
Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:39   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 21 2011,10:27)
Quote (PTET @ April 21 2011,10:05)
As ever, kind of the like the Bible Code, there are clues within KF's

I actually bought "The Bible Code" book recently just to laugh at how Dembski got taken in by such pap.

Honestly, it's rubbish from start to end. Mostly page after page of "examples". Might as well throw a scrabble set up in the air and "interpret" the results.

Well, divination is in the bible...

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"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:43   

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I am much more inclined to head for a beach, rod in hand . . .


Misspelled bitch, the naughty dog.

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Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,10:43   

Duplicate post.

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Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

  
lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2011,11:02   

Still in moderation.  :angry:
Not sure how much I want to add to KF's non-answer to joseph, who then exposes himself as a bootlicker.
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