The Ghost of Paley
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creeky:
| Quote | Right, because if you had addressed the three quantum numbers you would have found the classical orbit, and we wouldn't still be having this conversation. Pick any bounded quantum system you'd like, the 10^74 energy level will still be classical.
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And still you come up empty. Perhaps this source might explain why we're talking past each other [all emphases mine]:
| Quote | | Two constants appear throughout general relativity: the speed of light and Newton's gravitational constant . This should be no surprise, since Einstein created general relativity to reconcile the success of Newton's theory of gravity, based on instantaneous action at a distance, with his new theory of special relativity, in which no influence travels faster than light. The constant also appears in quantum field theory, but paired with a different partner: Planck's constant . The reason is that quantum field theory takes into account special relativity and quantum theory, in which sets the scale at which the uncertainty principle becomes important. |
And boy, does Planck's constant ripple throughout QM. So anyone working with realspace particles had better color between the lines, or else get his knuckles rapped by a Planckstick. Problem is, the constant is deduced from Planck's law, which was an attempt to wed the Wien and Rayleigh-Jean blackbody radiation formulae:
| Quote | In the 1890's one of the major problems in physics was trying to explain blackbody radiation. Maxwell's electromagnetic theory predicted that oscillating electromagnetic charges would produce electromagnetic waves, and the radiation emitted by a hot object could be due to the oscillations of electric charges of the molecules in the object. This explained where the radiation came from, but it did not correctly predict the observed spectrum of emitted light. Two important curves based upon the classical ideas were introduced by Wien in 1896 and Rayleigh in 1900. Rayleigh's curve was later modified by Jeans and is now known as the Rayleigh-Jean's formula.
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However, neither of these curves fit the entire range of observed results. Wien's formula was accurate at short wavelengths but deviated at longer wavelengths, while the opposite was true for the Rayleigh-Jean's theory. The resolution to this problem came in late 1900 when Max Planck proposed multiplying the Rayleigh-Jean's formula by the factor:
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which resulted in the Planck formula.
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The constant h is referred to as Planck's constant, which has subsequently been determined to be:
[snip: very, very small]
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So any attempt to apply classical QM to my model will be imprecise, as my model is dealing with the information distribution rather than the blackbody radiation spectrum. And yet there exists a mathematically formal relationship between the two. The Master has noticed the ubiquity of information throughout physics:
| Quote | Information is a univocal concept: it admits of one definition; moreover the
>definition is provably unique. The proof may be found, for example, in Khinchine's
>standard text. What is more, the quantity defined by Shannon is formally identical to the
>quantity defined by Boltzmann -- not similar, formally identical, entropy appearing, as a
>categorical concept, one finding expression in thermodynamics, ergodic systems,
>information theory, graph theory, and many other disciplines. It is this notion to which
>everyone in the scientific community -- computer scientists, logicians, mathematical
>biologists, cognitive psychologists, physicists -- appeals. It is the only relevant notion of
>information in existence. There is no ill defined measure of information.
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This unique expression of information will eventually fall out of my model.
(Of this debate, Larry Moran opined:
| Quote | Nobody "got through" to Berlinski. Steve LaBonne was the only one to
really understand what Berlinski was trying to say and their discussion
was quite interesting - and basically a draw.
Berlinski is not a creationist. I can understand why he is so upset with
the talk.origins crowd for misrepresenting his opinions.
>It's too bad there's no way to publicize this. Send a press release with
>some good Deja News quotes and a list of contacts, so maybe he doesn't get
>a free pass when people interview him.
I for one would not want this incident to be widely publicized. It made us
look pretty silly.
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Seems like the Master has a habit of embarrassing evos on their home turf....Makes em squeal like pigs under a rusty gate)
Louis:
| Quote | I am beginning to get the feeling that Ghosty's comedy antics have jumped the shark. He's just flannelling about for concepts he prays none of us have heard of and pulling randomn nonsense from his Encyclopedia Fictitiousa to fob us off until the ever present "later".
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Nope. My ideas interlock so tightly that one can predict the future direction of my theory given adequate patience, something in appallingly short supply among evo thinkers.
| Quote | And QM doesn't help you here btw, energy/frequency space etc are simply different ways of dealing with the same problems.
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On the same scale. But in case you haven't noticed, the Kleinjunction fractures and reconfigures some of the traditional Quantum properties. And the Kleinbottle has been present from the first installment. Ever wonder why?
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Dey can't 'andle my riddim.
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