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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2014,12:14   
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Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 17 2014,11:42)
The Arrington hustle. Let's see you tackle all 50.

How many are not covered by the quote mine project?

Alternately, let's see how many also appear in Meyer's two books...

Just a quick survey and I see at least four that I remember from Meyer's work.

I'd also like to point out to Barry that I was taken to task by a scientist for referencing a peer-reviewed paper from 2004 for a particular refutation of Meyer's work. That was much too old for the work that I was doing.

Barry, on the other hand, is trying to use works from the 70s, 80s, 90s... I even saw one from 1953... to support his claims. This is a fundamental error in scholarship.  

Of course, most of those authors are safely dead and Barry can argue that his interpretation is correct all he wants. He's still wrong, but that's not the point. Sowing confusion and attempting to fluff his 'research cred' is the purpose of this. Shame I'm banned and much, much to uncaring to create a sock account.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2014,12:29   
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 17 2014,12:07)
Barry, on the other hand, is trying to use works from the 70s, 80s, 90s... I even saw one from 1953... to support his claims. This is a fundamental error in scholarship.  

Barry Arrington is about as far from being a science scholar as is possible to imagine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2014,09:38   
I wouldn't dare opening his fridge unless wearing a gas mask!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2014,09:48   
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 18 2014,17:38)
I wouldn't dare opening his fridge unless wearing a gas mask!

Yeah his fridge wants a lawyer so it can sue him for negligence.

Hey Barry the fifties called they want their Formica and contagious diseases  back.

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2014,12:15   
Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 18 2014,09:48)
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 18 2014,17:38)
I wouldn't dare opening his fridge unless wearing a gas mask!

Yeah his fridge wants a lawyer so it can sue him for negligence.

Hey Barry the fifties called they want their Formica and contagious diseases  back.

BA77 follows up with a mined quote from a January 6, 1978 book review.

1978: 36 years ago. Before DNA sequencing.  

36 Years before that, and we've got 2 years to go DNA is clearly demonstrated to be genetic material.

36 Years before that, and Mendel's work has just been rediscovered, and 'vitalism' is a concept.

36 Years before that, and Darwin has yet to use the word "evolution" in print.

And there is a post up today asking why we're so dismissive when these types toss out stupid concepts and  outdated mis-cites from outdated sources and ask why we won't engage them on their merits. Lol. I'd rather debate vitalism.
  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2014,17:29   
This is kind of slow, but here's a few Barry quotemines and their discussion at talkorigins:

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No wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution for so long. It seems never to happen.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....t3.html


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I wish in no way to impugn the potential validity of gradualism . . . I wish only to point out that it was never ‘seen’ in the rocks.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....t3.html



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The fossil record with its abrupt transitions offers no support for gradual change

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....t3.html


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At the higher level of evolutionary transition between basic morphological designs, gradualism has always been in trouble

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....t3.html



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The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-3.html


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With the benefit of hindsight, it is amazing that paleontologists could have accepted gradual evolution as a universal pattern on the basis of a handful of supposedly well-documented lineages

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-4.html



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The main problem with such phyletic gradualism is that the fossil record provides so little evidence for it.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-1.html


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f we examine the fossil record in detail, whether at the level of orders or of species, we find – over and over again – not gradual evolution

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-4.html


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yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we almost never see the very process we profess to study

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....t3.html




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The overwhelming prevalence of stasis became an embarrassing feature of the fossil record, best left ignored

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-2.html


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The main impetus for expanding the view that species are discrete at any one point in time, to embrace their entire history, comes from the fossil record.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-2.html




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The record certainly did not reveal gradual transformations of structure in the course of time.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-2.html





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Many species remain virtually unchanged for millions of years, then suddenly disappear to be replaced by a quite different, but related, form.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-2.html


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When we do see the introduction of evolutionary novelty, it usually shows up with a bang

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....t3.html


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if you do collect a series of fossils up through a sequence of sedimentary rock, and if you don’t see much evidence of anatomical change through that series, that is indeed evidence that substantial gradual evolutionary change has not occurred

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs....-2.html


Edited by midwifetoad on Feb. 18 2014,17:39

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2014,21:52   
I can not be asked to read  vjtorley's latest in detail but my impression is that while discussing if being bitten by a snake is different from and more senseful than suicide he concludes that Islam is superior to other religions because it prevents suicide.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2014,02:39   
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 18 2014,17:29)
This is kind of slow, but here's a few Barry quotemines and their discussion at talkorigins:

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No wonder paleontologists shied away from evolution for so long. It seems never to happen.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......t3.html


 
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I wish in no way to impugn the potential validity of gradualism . . . I wish only to point out that it was never ‘seen’ in the rocks.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......t3.html



 
Quote
The fossil record with its abrupt transitions offers no support for gradual change

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......t3.html


 
Quote
At the higher level of evolutionary transition between basic morphological designs, gradualism has always been in trouble

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......t3.html



 
Quote
The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-3.html


 
Quote
With the benefit of hindsight, it is amazing that paleontologists could have accepted gradual evolution as a universal pattern on the basis of a handful of supposedly well-documented lineages

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-4.html



 
Quote
The main problem with such phyletic gradualism is that the fossil record provides so little evidence for it.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-1.html


 
Quote
f we examine the fossil record in detail, whether at the level of orders or of species, we find – over and over again – not gradual evolution

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-4.html


 
Quote
yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we almost never see the very process we profess to study

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......t3.html




 
Quote
The overwhelming prevalence of stasis became an embarrassing feature of the fossil record, best left ignored

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-2.html


 
Quote
The main impetus for expanding the view that species are discrete at any one point in time, to embrace their entire history, comes from the fossil record.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-2.html




 
Quote
The record certainly did not reveal gradual transformations of structure in the course of time.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-2.html





 
Quote
Many species remain virtually unchanged for millions of years, then suddenly disappear to be replaced by a quite different, but related, form.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-2.html


 
Quote
When we do see the introduction of evolutionary novelty, it usually shows up with a bang

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......t3.html


 
Quote
if you do collect a series of fossils up through a sequence of sedimentary rock, and if you don’t see much evidence of anatomical change through that series, that is indeed evidence that substantial gradual evolutionary change has not occurred

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs.......-2.html

The safest way to remain an IDiot is to follow in the footsteps of past IDiots.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2014,09:55   
Quote (sparc @ Feb. 18 2014,21:52)
I can not be asked to read  vjtorley's latest in detail but my impression is that while discussing if being bitten by a snake is different from and more senseful than suicide he concludes that Islam is superior to other religions because it prevents suicide.

Non explosive suicides anyway.
  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2014,10:42   
Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 19 2014,09:55)
Quote (sparc @ Feb. 18 2014,21:52)
I can not be asked to read  vjtorley's latest in detail but my impression is that while discussing if being bitten by a snake is different from and more senseful than suicide he concludes that Islam is superior to other religions because it prevents suicide.

Non explosive suicides anyway.

Doesn't prevent murder.

Nor, apparently, does any religion. As long as the victims have been cleared by the priests, who are presumably in direct phone contact with God.

I was surprised the other day to read about rampaging Buddhists.

Perhaps Quakers and Amish are next.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2014,11:58   
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 19 2014,11:42)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 19 2014,09:55)
Quote (sparc @ Feb. 18 2014,21:52)
I can not be asked to read  vjtorley's latest in detail but my impression is that while discussing if being bitten by a snake is different from and more senseful than suicide he concludes that Islam is superior to other religions because it prevents suicide.

Non explosive suicides anyway.

Doesn't prevent murder.

Nor, apparently, does any religion. As long as the victims have been cleared by the priests, who are presumably in direct phone contact with God.

I was surprised the other day to read about rampaging Buddhists.

Perhaps Quakers and Amish are next.

There was this: Amish hate crimes

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2014,12:36   
PaV, in claiming he's searched everywhere for evolutionary mechanisms:

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Have you read R.A. Fisher’s “Genetical Theory of Evolution”?

I have read what I consider the most important parts, including Chapter 2, on the “Fundamental Theorem of Natural Selection.”

Do you know upon what basis he derives this “theorem”?


Publication date: 1930.

Fisher was an amazing scientist. But damn guys.
  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2014,17:05   
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drc466 February 19, 2014 at 4:09 pm
–Slightly off-topic point follows–

Quick question – how many dogs have to give birth, before one gives birth to an octopus?


TAKE THAT DARWINISMS1111!!!!!!!ONEONE

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2014,17:26   
Quote (REC @ Feb. 19 2014,12:36)
PaV, in claiming he's searched everywhere for evolutionary mechanisms:

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Have you read R.A. Fisher’s “Genetical Theory of Evolution”?

I have read what I consider the most important parts, including Chapter 2, on the “Fundamental Theorem of Natural Selection.”

Do you know upon what basis he derives this “theorem”?


Publication date: 1930.

Fisher was an amazing scientist. But damn guys.

Searching everywhere for more quotes to misrepresent.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2014,17:31   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 20 2014,10:05)
   
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drc466 February 19, 2014 at 4:09 pm
–Slightly off-topic point follows–

Quick question – how many dogs have to give birth, before one gives birth to an octopus?


TAKE THAT DARWINISMS1111!!!!!!!ONEONE

Oh, man, you beat me to it. And drc466's comment comes while the 'nullasalus Makes a Point' thread (UD link) is still active, with  Barry and UD regulars complaining that they are too often wrongly accused of not understanding evolution (simultaneously, somehow, exposing their personality issues to the rest of the world). The ironing.

Edited by Ptaylor on Feb. 20 2014,12:54

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,08:23   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 20 2014,01:05)
 
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drc466 February 19, 2014 at 4:09 pm
–Slightly off-topic point follows–

Quick question – how many dogs have to give birth, before one gives birth to an octopus?


TAKE THAT DARWINISMS1111!!!!!!!ONEONE

Breathlessly & fevourishly k.e. types ...before Henry beats him to it.

..or gives birth to a Cat-o-nine eight-tails!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,08:33   
Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 20 2014,08:23)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 20 2014,01:05)
   
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drc466 February 19, 2014 at 4:09 pm
–Slightly off-topic point follows–

Quick question – how many dogs have to give birth, before one gives birth to an octopus?


TAKE THAT DARWINISMS1111!!!!!!!ONEONE

Breathlessly & fevourishly k.e. types ...before Henry beats him to it.

..or gives birth to a Cat-o-nine eight-tails!

But has anyone seen a cat-o-nine-tails turn into a dog-o-nine-tails in the laboratory?!!!
  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,08:56   
Quote (KevinB @ Feb. 20 2014,16:33)
Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 20 2014,08:23)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 20 2014,01:05)
     
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drc466 February 19, 2014 at 4:09 pm
–Slightly off-topic point follows–

Quick question – how many dogs have to give birth, before one gives birth to an octopus?


TAKE THAT DARWINISMS1111!!!!!!!ONEONE

Breathlessly & fevourishly k.e. types ...before Henry beats him to it.

..or gives birth to a Cat-o-nine eight-tails!

But has anyone seen a cat-o-nine-tails turn into a dog-o-nine-tails in the laboratory?!!!

No but if it did it would a dogtopus+1

If it happened in China they would be both on the evening menu*
*Now whilst technically speaking this isn't a pun it would be woking the dog!

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,08:57   
Or a muteightion...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,18:00   
In his latest post A Dialogue With A Darwinist Barry imagines an argument with a 'Darwinist'. Guess what: Barry wins!
UD link

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,18:47   
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In his latest post A Dialogue With A Darwinist Barry imagines an argument with a 'Darwinist'. Guess what: Barry wins!
UD link

It's what ID imaginings are for.

Oh, that and seeing design where hereditary limitations are rife.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,19:09   
Joe:

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JoeFebruary 20, 2014 at 6:37 pm
Who needs facts when we have wikipedia?

Wikipedia, changing history with a few keystrokes…


Says the emotion and mental child who went back and changed his own blog posts to try and score rhetorical points, but got caught because he isn't very bright.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,19:12   
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In his latest post A Dialogue With A Darwinist Barry imagines an argument with a 'Darwinist'. Guess what: Barry wins!
UD link

They are just cringeworthy.

http://www.chick.com/reading...._01.asp



Edited by Richardthughes on Feb. 20 2014,19:14

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,19:54   
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 20 2014,18:00)
In his latest post A Dialogue With A Darwinist Barry imagines an argument with a 'Darwinist'. Guess what: Barry wins!
UD link

I would love to see him (or any UD denizen) attempt the ideological Turing test.
  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,19:58   
Quote (Learned Hand @ Feb. 20 2014,19:54)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 20 2014,18:00)
In his latest post A Dialogue With A Darwinist Barry imagines an argument with a 'Darwinist'. Guess what: Barry wins!
UD link

I would love to see him (or any UD denizen) attempt the ideological Turing test.

We missed comedy gold but not having Joe write it:

ID Scientist: Your position can't account for squirrels

EVO Scientismist: EVOTARDGASM

etc.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,20:22   
I just reread the "arguing with a Darwinist" thread and I didn't spot the "ban anyone who makes a coherent argument" part, or the "only argue in venues where you are able to censor" and "don't argue in scientific literature" or "Ask them about their love of Hitler"...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,20:27   
I think Barry could be right, you know.  A Darwinist might very well argue like that.

When it's all made up, though, including the "Darwinist" caricature of a science-acceptor, who can say for sure?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2014,21:44   
Barry can dialog himself with just one hand.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2014,04:18   
Central Scrutinizer has gone one step further than Barry. His fantasy is about Darwinist women that will jump into bed with him:



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I’m going to a bar tonight.

I will seek out a Darwinist.

Why?

Because she will believe any stupid thing I tell her.

I will get lucky tonight.

Oh, thank you, you lovely, wonderful Darwinist


When that fails he can draw a 'Darwinist woman' on his hand and talk to that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2014,06:06   
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Central Scrutinizer has gone one step further than Barry. His fantasy is about Darwinist women that will jump into bed with him:



 
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I’m going to a bar tonight.

I will seek out a Darwinist.

Why?

Because she will believe any stupid thing I tell her.

I will get lucky tonight.

Oh, thank you, you lovely, wonderful Darwinist


When that fails he can draw a 'Darwinist woman' on his hand and talk to that.

CS approaches gorgeous woman. "So, can I just ask what your views are on Darwin's theory of evolution by Natural Selection?".

Nope, it seems the perfect plan. She'll be putty in his hands.

And I guess lying for promiscuous sexual favours is morally entirely tickety-boo, provided the donor is not a believer in Objective Morality. Classy.

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