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Jay Ray

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,07:40

Dembski's wrong about that, too. Cows aren't just staring at us; they are asking for help. What do you think "moo" means in Bovinish?

Wesley R. Elsberry

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,07:57

I have my hastily typed, uncorrected notes from both lectures up at this page.

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Aardvark

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,07:58

Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 19 2006,12:39)

Aardvark

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Morris then alllegedly published a retraction on UD, or am I reading this wrong?

That seems to be Davesnot's spin, "but apparently uncovered evidence in support of ID without realising it:" doesn't equate with the original NASA news release.

Alan,

Yeah, it's much like how Dembski reacted when SETI officially differentiated itself from ID:

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But in fact, my criterion for design detection applies to the very signals that Shostak�s SETI Institute is looking for.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/541

steve_h

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,08:00

Quote (Sanctum @ Mar. 19 2006,12:49)

steve_h
Case in point:
I do recall part of this exchange:

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Finally� in my personal and professional opinion (Ph.D. Molecular and Cellular Biology),

I�ve taught bio at the university level for some time now�

Sorry, but you�re going to have use your real name if you want to claim those credentials. -ds

but not on which thread it appeared.
Could you provide me with the link or even the title?
Thanks.

(yes, please answer, I do want the information)

My correspondence with Eugenie Scott on ID in the universities �

HTH.

Chris Hyland

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,08:03

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Sorry, but you�re going to have use your real name if you want to claim those credentials. -ds
So we can assume that DaveScot isnt an engineer and didn't work for Dell. I thought that law only applied if you were being annoying.

I belive Dynamic Dave indeed worked at Dell.

Dave Springer worked for Dell, apprently to claim qualifications like that DaveScot will have to start using his real name on the blog.

senatorchunk:

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Here are some current examples of departments/centers that are taking this new integrative approach.

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At MIT, the Broad institute:

http://www.broad.mit.edu/mpg/
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At the Cornell Genomics Initiative:

http://www.genomics.cornell.edu/focus_areas/evolutionary/
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davescot:

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MIT doesn�t mention evolution.
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Cornell paid lip service to evolution but didn�t staff the project with a single evolutionary biologist.

From the Cornell website:

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CHAIRS

* Charles Aquadro - Professor, Evolutionary Genomics
* Richard Harrison - Professor, Ecology and Evolutionary Biology

From the MIT website:

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Patterns of genetic variation shed light on recombination, demography, admixture, and evolutionary selection in the human population.

Edit: Just noticed the post that says DaveScots post about PT trackbacks is inane has been deleted.

stevestory

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,11:58

One reason there are so few comments on Uncommonly Dense threads is, even the ID supporters know they have a good chance of being deleted. Why bother trying to make a point only to have some half-wit computer technician send it to the garbage can.

Since it damages the UD community, I'm fine with that.

Alan Fox

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,12:06

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I�ve removed comments about Valerie. Stay on topic.

Comment by DaveScot � March 19, 2006 @ 4:47 pm

for example!

stevestory

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,12:22

we all know how Grandaddy Dave is hurting ID by putting strain on the community via comment deletion, obviously ignorant statements, etc. But did you know he's also indirectly advanced modern literature? Valerie was so distraught about being banned, she was moved to write a brilliant coming-of-age novel about a struggling teen girl whose abusive and censorious granddad named Dave keels over dead from neck cancer. It's called:

A Day No Posts Would Die

Tiax

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,12:28

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This is off topic but I thought all the youngsters here should know that �degrees Kelvin� was the proper expression from 1954 until 1967 when the International Bureau of Weights and Measures decreed degrees be dropped. This is sort of like the U.N. decreeing that French is the international language of diplomacy. Some decrees are accepted to a greater �degree� than others.

Is there a word for how pathetic that statement is?

May I propose 'Davetastic'?

Arden Chatfield

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,12:54

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This is off topic but I thought all the youngsters here should know that �degrees Kelvin� was the proper expression from 1954 until 1967 when the International Bureau of Weights and Measures decreed degrees be dropped. This is sort of like the U.N. decreeing that French is the international language of diplomacy. Some decrees are accepted to a greater �degree� than others.

Is there a word for how pathetic that statement is?

May I propose 'Davetastic'?

'Davelicious'? 'Daveriffic'?

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stevestory

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,13:19

Dude...yer gettin banned.

Sanctum

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,13:27

Thanks steve_h,
That's about how I remembered it.

HTH?

steve_h

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,14:12

HTH: Hope this helps (Assuming you are not going to use the information for 'evil' purposes �)

Sanctum

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Posted: Mar. 19 2006,19:14

Thanks steve_h.
No, I can think of no evil uses to which I could put this information.

Thanks as well Wesley R. Elsberry for the notes on Dembski's talks.

Rilke's Granddaughter

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,02:28

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What my views on public schools are deserves a different post. Let me offer briefly that I think it very unpractical to get non-ID teachers, or teachers who despise ID, to teach ID. Furthermore, a lot of creationist parents wouldn�t want their kids learning creationism from non-creationists. Thus to a great degree, some issues are moot�

by our friend Salvador "ID is religion" Cordova. With friends like this, how can Dembski sleep at night?

stevestory

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,02:41

With his head resting on bags of $$$$. Seriously, he's probably already come to grips with the failure, and now is just going through the motions to pull in the royalties and speaking fees. I don't think you would put complete amateurs like Dave Springer, Doug Moran, etc in charge of anything if you were seriously trying to build a scientific movement. You only put them in charge when you realize that your audience can't tell the difference between science, and technical sounding mumbo jumbo.

Rilke's Granddaughter

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,03:31

I admit that only a moron or someone who doesn't care about what's going on would put folks as ignorant, heavy-handed, and generally dumb as Springer and Moran in charge of a web-site on ANY topic.

So Dembski is simply another theistic con-man, out to make a fast buck from the gullible.

At least that absolves him of the charge of being irremediably stupid.

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,05:37

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With his head resting on bags of $$$$.

Jay Sherman: How do you sleep at night?

Rainier Wolfcastle: On top of a large pile of money with many beautiful ladies.

Jay Sherman: Just asking!

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,06:04

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I�ve removed comments about Valerie. Stay on topic.
Comment by DaveScot � March 19, 2006 @ 4:47 pm

Now even that comment has been removed. �Shades of Dembskian "street theater."

You're next, pal. �And this ain't no rehearsal. -dt

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Stephen Elliott

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,07:24

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No matter what you think about IDist, we would use every opportunity in search for truth until people will know that Darwinism in its most conservative from and others is utter bs. Why? Because we owe it to humanity to search for the truth and we know that darwinism is far from it. The search for truth and the admittance of errors should be the ultimate goal of every human being, everything else is self-denial.

Comment by tb � March 20, 2006 @ 3:29 am

LOL!

dhogaza

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,12:06

Oooooh! A global warming thread over at UD!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/934

The first four comments rehash tiresome old claims ...

"Big Science on the public trough is most of the problem..."

Climatologists are scammers at the public trough!

"I�ve got my eye on 4000 acres in North Dakota where I�m going to plant bananas and coconuts."

Global warming will be good for us!

"Does anyone honestly believe that mankind could stop the next ice age from coming?"

Human activity couldn't possibly impact climate!

"volcanos spit out far more 'greehouse gasses' every year than humans do."

Sigh ...

stevestory

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,12:22

Uncommonly Dense must be a boon to researchers trying to locate the dumbest human beings in the world.

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Global warming may be real, but who thinks mankind can stop it even if we wanted to? Not me. I mean, volcanos spit out far more �greehouse gasses� every year than humans do. Perhaps the Kyoto treaty should fine countries with active volcanos.

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Arden Chatfield

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,12:36

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Oooooh! �A global warming thread over at UD!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/934

The first four comments rehash tiresome old claims ...

"Big Science on the public trough is most of the problem..."

Climatologists are scammers at the public trough!

"I�ve got my eye on 4000 acres in North Dakota where I�m going to plant bananas and coconuts."

Global warming will be good for us!

"Does anyone honestly believe that mankind could stop the next ice age from coming?"

Human activity couldn't possibly impact climate!

"volcanos spit out far more 'greehouse gasses' every year than humans do."

Sigh ...

Unless someone there states that scientists are causing global warming (a la Michael Crichton), I won't be happy.

I hope Mister North Dakota buys soon, I hear ocean front property is worth a lot.

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,13:13

Yes, this is the best. Not quite, but whatever.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/934#comment-28093

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Kyoto, as you may know, is a system of greenhouse credits and debits. You get points for reducing emissions (credits) and points taken away for producing emissions (debits). The original Kyoto protocol awarded generous greenhouse credits for planting forests which work as CO2 sinks. The United States is the most prolific forest planter in the world. When the other parties to the protocol found out how many credits the U.S. was claiming for reforestation they balked and reduced the amount of credits for that activity. George Bush then told them to go suck an egg as the protocol became unfair and different from what the United States had agreed to in principle. What they did is called �moving the goalpost� and Bush would have no part of it. This was written up years ago in Scientific American I believe while Clinton was still president.

Comment by DaveScot � March 20, 2006 @ 5:58 pm

Hmm, so Bush balked while Clinton was president. I see.
Are you sure he didn't have to violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics to do that?

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stevestory

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,13:27

LOL Davetard is like the Michael Jordan of the short bus. A regnant world champion with no peer.

Seven Popes

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,14:36

Beer Volcano:

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Hmm, so Bush balked while Clinton was president. I see.
Are you sure he didn't have to violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics to do that?

How did Dave know about the intelligence that Clintons CIA remote viewers developed? Did his sensitive work with Dell place him in a National Security need to know situation? Oh, the burdens this man has faced.

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stevestory

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Posted: Mar. 20 2006,14:40

yeah, he's like Jack Bauer.

stevestory

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Posted: Mar. 21 2006,06:46

Enjoy the dumdums objecting to global warming. Another display of the fact that while Davetard is stupid, he's not the stupidest person over there.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/934#comments

I think Geoffrobinson might have the dumbest comment on the page.

Seven Popes

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Posted: Mar. 21 2006,06:54

Yeah, what about the tasty wordsmithing in posts 20 & 21?

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In response to comment #7,
you mentioned that, in an article written while Clinton was President,Bush objected to �moving the goalposts�. How is that possible? The set-asides were discussed under GW Bush.

No, I didn�t say that. You inferred it. I suggest you read the SciAm article I linked, reread what I originally said, then try commenting again with the chip removed from your shoulder. -ds

Comment by doramia � March 21, 2006 @ 9:26 am
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Here is the Scientific American article I referenced earlier.

http://www.sciamdigital.com/gsp_qpd....0C719A7

It is from the February 2001 issue which I would have received in the mail probably in December of 2000. Clinton was still president but Bush was president-elect.

When I said �this was written up in Scientific American while Clinton was still president� I of course didn�t mean that Bush�s subsequent veto was part of the article. The article is about the reneging on forestation credits.

Comment by DaveScot � March 21, 2006 @ 10:11 am

Italics mine. Kinda looks like an admission.

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Drew Headley

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Posted: Mar. 21 2006,10:02

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But noooooooooooooo� nuclear power plants are �too dangerous� to operate (we have a perfect safety record in the U.S. and only a single catastrophic failure in the entire world to date) and spent fuel disposal is an environmental hazard (even though the fuel was in the environment in the first place).

Apparently DaveScot does not realize that in order to get that fuel it had to be extracted and concentrated beyond natural levels.
I will concentrate you beyond natural levels, concentrate you right out of this blog. �ds

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