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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2015,15:40   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 13 2015,15:49)
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Someone ask Barry if a father can be his own son.

Only if both cloning and time travel are involved.

Covered by Heinlein.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,14:11   

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The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history.
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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,14:22   

Barry Arrington, master of the big lie technique.
There are no eyewitness accounts.
The accounts in the Bible contradict each other as well as contradicting multiple independent resources.
So in what sense other than the pathetic "but I want/need it to be true" is this myth 'reliably documented'?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,14:35   

And they found the stone had rolled back and to the left.

Back, and to the left.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,14:48   

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So in what sense other than the pathetic "but I want/need it to be true" is this myth 'reliably documented'?

It's in Teh Bahble.  Therefore it's reliably documented, by definition.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,15:29   

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The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history.
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insanity.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,16:09   

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Can nature itself create genetic engineering?


Havel on the powerless in the face of imposed PC agendas

On Why Liars Lie
September 15, 2015 Intelligent Design
In a previous post, I exposed yet another of eigenstate’s outrageous lies.  Then I asked: The real question is what motivates him to engage in such insane denials? I have to admit that I am utterly flummoxed by it. He knows he is lying. I know he is lying. Everyone else who reads his comment […]


Learned Hand Finally Gets There
September 14, 2015 Intelligent Design
Who says internet combox discussions are never fruitful?  After almost two weeks of back and forth, Learned Hand has finally come around on the infallibility of the law of identity. LH before:  I cannot therefore be logically, absolutely certain of anything—not even that A=A. LH today:  Defining A as equal to A is defining A […]


The self-falsifying error of dismissive, hyperskeptical certitude
September 14, 2015 Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Selective Hyperskepticism
It seems that Seversky has fallen into an exemplary case of error in the nothing certain thread that needs to be headlined and corrected for the record: Sev, 13: >>What I see in the writings of the likes of kf, BA and BA77 is the same craving for certainty [in context, held by murderous dictators […]

GK Chesterton on Arguing with Learned Hand, eigenstate and Popperian
September 14, 2015 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design
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If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humor or by charity, or by the […]

New giant virus (proteins don’t resemble predecessor)
September 14, 2015 Posted by News under Cell biology, Intelligent Design, News
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From ScienceDaily,: The virus takes the form of a roughly spherical particle, approximately 0.6 μm long, containing a genome of approximately 650,000 base pairs coding for more than 500 proteins. Most of these proteins bear no resemblance to those of its Siberian predecessor, Pithovirus sibericum. Furthermore, unlike Pithovirus, which only requires the cytoplasmic resources of […]

eigenstate Gives Us a Lesson in Evolutionary Ethics
September 14, 2015 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design
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eigenstate says that under “evolutionary eithcs,” we are ethically obligated to do whatever is “adaptationally advantageous.”  Which led to this exchange: Barry:  “If our environment somehow changed so that torturing infants for pleasure became adaptationally advantageous, would we then have an ethical obligation to torture infants for pleasure?” eigenstate: ” yes” Madness. In that same  thread eigenstate […]

Viewer warning! on the Naledi find
September 14, 2015 Posted by News under Culture, Darwinism, Intelligent Design, News, science education
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First, the sensible stuff: From BioLogic Institute’s  Ann Gauger Homo naledi as Spin Detector: In reading the coverage of Homo naledi, as the species is called now, it seems clear to me that the spin put on the actual bones depends on the assumptions of the writers. What do I mean? Bones can only tell […]

The Fallacy of Question-Begging Definition
September 14, 2015 Posted by kairosfocus under Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism
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One of the issues that has come up in recent days is the fallacious misuse of definitions that beg questions at stake. Accordingly, I think it advisable to headline a comment from the Nihilism thread and give an example from origins issues: ___ KF, 262: >>Aleta (attn BA, LH, ES & WJM): While a lot […]


mos of the top posts at UD right now are babbling whiny attempts to refute three or four commenters.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,16:13   

All Science So Far!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,01:53   

Sometimes little nuggets of tard seem to go unnoticed amid the greater tumult of some UD posts. Buried in Barry's latest I'll ignore any of your arguments because you are a liar and a moron thread Andre (he of the 'though experiment', UD link) offers this gem:
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Hoe did the conversation go from Einsgate is a liar to Jesus is a myth? The absolute anger towards Christianity is now on the table. Been there done that hated God so much for 34 years I convinced myself He is a myth. Boy was I wrong. And if you ask me other than my personal experience why I deem Christianity true my answer is a simple one.

The Bible makes it clear in heaven there will be no sex. You just don’t say something like that to a man unless it’s true.

UD link, my emphasis. No arguing with that, I suppose!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,03:43   

Andre shitting his pants when offered to discus PCD with experts outside of UD was particularly memorable.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,09:45   

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Wrong thread, sort of.

Edited by Zachriel on Sep. 16 2015,09:47

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,09:57   

Quote (rthearle @ Sep. 15 2015,14:11)
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The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history.
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He has since been called on this. But in true Barry fashion, he supports the truth of his statement with the fact that it has been documented in millions of bibles throughout the world. But he conveniently avoids the qualifier "reliably" that was in his original statement.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,10:09   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 16 2015,10:57)
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The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history.
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He has since been called on this. But in true Barry fashion, he supports the truth of his statement with the fact that it has been documented in millions of bibles throughout the world. But he conveniently avoids the qualifier "reliably" that was in his original statement.

So the more copies of a book that are printed and distributed, the 'better documented' something is?
His bibliolatry has gone awful literal, hasn't it?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,10:32   



well then, this image has been reproduced billions of times.

Case Motherfuckin Closed!

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,10:42   

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September 16, 2015 at 9:05 am

The fact that people have written lots of words about Jesus, and that Christianity became the dominant religion in the Western world is not documentation that the actual event happened.

People, especially uneducated people, are notorious for having superstitious beliefs – we see that all over the world today and it has been no different throughout history. Whoever the man Jesus was, he was mythologized by his followers. Their conclusion that Jesus was the son of God, while based on actual events, is not documented.
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September 16, 2015 at 9:07 am

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Because the truth of the matter — that Jesus Christ did in fact die; and that he was in fact buried; and that he was in fact resurrected — is one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history, just as I said.


Really? Show us the reliable documentation of the event! There may well be lots of texts around, but none were written at the time, so how do we know how reliable they are? There are, after all, a lot of copies of the Harry Potter books around, but they’re not reliable history.

Some people argue that Jesus Christ didn’t even exist, citing (in part) the lack of any direct evidence: outside of the Gospels there’s no near-contemporary evidence for his existence (in contrast to Julius Caesar’s existence, where we have coins, statues etc.). I certainly don’t go as far as the mythicists who claim that Christ never existed, but I would also like to see a wider range of evidence for what actually happened.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,10:58   

The Julius Ceasar comparison is brought up here:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/exist.h....st.html

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,11:21   

Latest silly post at the other place.....

Can nature itself create genetic engineering?

You only need to ask "Can nature itself create civil engineering?" to reveal the utter foolishness of the question.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,11:26   

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Aleta

September 16, 2015 at 9:05 am

The fact that people have written lots of words about Jesus, and that Christianity became the dominant religion in the Western world is not documentation that the actual event happened.

People, especially uneducated people, are notorious for having superstitious beliefs – we see that all over the world today and it has been no different throughout history. Whoever the man Jesus was, he was mythologized by his followers. Their conclusion that Jesus was the son of God, while based on actual events, is not documented.
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September 16, 2015 at 9:07 am

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Because the truth of the matter — that Jesus Christ did in fact die; and that he was in fact buried; and that he was in fact resurrected — is one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history, just as I said.


Really? Show us the reliable documentation of the event! There may well be lots of texts around, but none were written at the time, so how do we know how reliable they are? There are, after all, a lot of copies of the Harry Potter books around, but they’re not reliable history.

Some people argue that Jesus Christ didn’t even exist, citing (in part) the lack of any direct evidence: outside of the Gospels there’s no near-contemporary evidence for his existence (in contrast to Julius Caesar’s existence, where we have coins, statues etc.). I certainly don’t go as far as the mythicists who claim that Christ never existed, but I would also like to see a wider range of evidence for what actually happened.



linky

But Batshit77 has some Shroud Of Turin links, proving conclusively that it's a gravity-defying quantum hologram with an event horizon.  So there!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,11:32   

Just like temperature, self-awareness has an absolute zero:
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Aleta,
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Whoever the man Jesus was, he was mythologized by his followers.

So, you are a dogmatist. It is, of course, futile to argue with a dogmatist.

linky

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,12:39   

i would lay good money that this thread is going to go berzerk:

Neuroscience: Brain training for voters

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,12:41   

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I’ll just end addressing this part:

Third, there is impressive documentary evidence for miracles (Google my posts on St. Joseph of Cupertino) and for the Resurrection (see Drs. Tim and Lydia McGrew’s online article on the subject).

Vince (I’ve always liked that name!)…

Given you are clearly well educated and an IDer I assume you not only accept the scientific method; you appeal to it for many of the facts upon which you build the case for Intelligent Design. I believe you should see how very inconsistent this is with accepting claims of ancient resurrections, miraculous or otherwise. The methods of science arose and were refined over time not simply as some “other way of knowing” or procedure you do when putting on a lab coat, as if the concerns underlying science didn’t apply to your off-time. The justifications for science arose from fundamental epistemological concerns that arise immediately when you have the problem of variables both in terms of cause and effect (how do you determine a cause when there are many possible causes?) and the problem of explanation (given for every experience we have one can conjure a variety of logically possible explanations, how do we choose from among them?).

That is to say, that when it comes to the world of our experience, you can’t just accept the necessity of scientific rigor in justifying any new claims to empirical knowledge and then cast it aside, drop the critical bar, to allow your favorite claim to hop over. Look how much effort was demanded to satisfy the scientists concerning the Higgs Boson – decades and billions of dollars just to build a machine that could establish some empirical evidence for particle for which theory was already extremely plausible and solid.

Now, imagine 12 men claiming with utter conviction that they’d “experienced” seeing a perpetual motion machine – a machine violating our understanding of physics. Could you imagine someone at a scientific convention presenting this as evidence to justify accepting the claim, and overturning what we think we understand about physics? You know how quickly it would be laughed off the stage, and justifiably so. How much more ludicrously insufficient would it be if the speaker appealed not even to living claimants, but to purported claims from an ancient book? No one would, or should, take any scientist seriously presenting such “evidence” for a claim that would violate our understanding of the world.

Why then would you possibly think lowering the standards of skepticism is justifiable just in the case of claims of an ancient resurrection???? I mean, take a non-miraculous, prosaic claim that a cancer medication or blood pressure drug has some slight effect. Given the problems of human bias, confounding variables etc, just vetting this claim typically takes from 10 to 15 years before it becomes acceptable. And for good reasons! Place next to that the claim of a Nobel-prize-worthy, physics-upturning phenomenon like someone rising from the dead…and in that case suddenly the claims of purported witnesses in an ancient book passes the evidential bar? Could it not be clearer the distance you have dropped the skeptical bar in the case for your religious beliefs, vs what we reasonably demand for important empirical claims? (And yes Jesus’ resurrection is an a posteriori empirical claim, not an a priori claim).

Is it any wonder atheists like us believe we are justified in our skepticism?

(Again, thanks for hosting this conversation).


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Edited by stevestory on Sep. 16 2015,13:42

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,14:55   

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@Mung,

as there are countless events which are more reliably documented, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is not one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history.

Which makes Barry Arrington’s statement factually wrong.


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,15:02   

i know eventually i'ma hafta give up the word Tard, but damn if it doesn't feel perfect 90% of the time.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,16:23   

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i know eventually i'ma hafta give up the word Tard, but damn if it doesn't feel perfect 90% of the time.

As long as Barry, Denyse, JoeVirgil et al continue To Argue Regarding Design...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,17:10   

Banny:

"The documents constituting the New Testament are vouchsafed with the blood of the martyrs. Nothing else comes remotely close."

Really?

"The truth of Heaven's Gate and the ascension of its follower's souls to the UFO following comet Hale-Bopp is vouchsafed with the blood of the 32 martyrs (confirmed, autopsies available, not characters in a book of dubious origins). Nothing else comes remotely close."

Better, not close.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,17:33   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 16 2015,14:02)
i know eventually i'ma hafta give up the word Tard, but damn if it doesn't feel perfect 90% of the time.

DRAT!

(Or is that backwards?)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,17:44   

The Prophet said it, 19 hijackers believed it, that settles it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,18:09   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 16 2015,18:10)
Banny:

"The documents constituting the New Testament are vouchsafed with the blood of the martyrs. Nothing else comes remotely close."

Really?

"The truth of Heaven's Gate and the ascension of its follower's souls to the UFO following comet Hale-Bopp is vouchsafed with the blood of the 32 martyrs (confirmed, autopsies available, not characters in a book of dubious origins). Nothing else comes remotely close."

Better, not close.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,23:38   

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OrloogSeptember 16, 2015 at 1:12 pm
@Mung,

as there are countless events which are more reliably documented, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is not one of the most reliably documented events in all of human history.

Which makes Barry Arrington’s statement factually wrong.


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2015,01:33   

Denyse seems to be having trouble with her headline writer again:
 
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Further to homo Naledi not pubb’d in Nature

Just what word are they trying to abbreviate?

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