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Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,07:24    DaveScot discovers that linear trend lines are "straight as an arrow". Quote DaveScot: The magnitude of change in the trend lines, +1 degree in temperature, +2 inches annual rainfall, is interesting but not nearly as interesting as the slopes being almost identical and straight as an arrow. Bob O'H: Well, they would be “straight as an arrow” - they’re t[r]end lines, so by definition they are straight. Bob O'H, your form was good, but the difficulty not so much. Otherwise, a perfect score. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,08:10    Quote (olegt @ May 11 2008,07:15) Gloppy is no more.  All 4 of his May 10 posts at UD are gone and TheBrites.org site is empty. Brites.org may be down and the GP's UD posts now 404s, but brites.org's statement vs a summary judgement by the 9th Federal District Court is a spoof of Yoko Ono and her legal actions against Expelled. I'd guess that the UD 404s are designed to lend the spoof verisimilitude. Hints: there is no Judge Utphray Opsla in any court. In fact, the string "Utphray" appears exactly once in a Google search (at theBrites.org) indicating that it isn't a name at all, in any language; nor does Opsla appear to be used as a surname. Utphray Opsla is probably an anagram. Further, FindLaw indicates that no decision at the Ninth circuit refers either to theBrites or Ono. There is no "Ono Inc." (it's "Yoko Ono, Inc."). And so on. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,08:17    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 11 2008,08:10) Quote (olegt @ May 11 2008,07:15) Gloppy is no more.  All 4 of his May 10 posts at UD are gone and TheBrites.org site is empty. Brites.org may be down and the GP's UD posts now 404s, but brites.org's statement vs a summary judgement by the 9th Federal District Court is a spoof of Yoko Ono and her legal actions against Expelled. I'd guess that the UD 404s are designed to lend the spoof verisimilitude. Hints: there is no Judge Utphray Opsla in any court. In fact, the string "Utphray" appears exactly once in a Google search (at theBrites.org) indicating that it isn't a name at all, in any language; nor does Opsla appear to be used as a surname. Utphray Opsla is probably an anagram. Further, FindLaw indicates that no decision at the Ninth circuit refers either to theBrites or Ono. There is no "Ono Inc." (it's "Yoko Ono, Inc."). And so on. All of that is interesting, and possible.  Yet Gloppy disappears just as oleg exposes his identity yet again.  It's hard to think this is a coincidence. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,08:22    Quote (Hermagoras @ May 11 2008,09:17)   Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 11 2008,08:10)     Quote (olegt @ May 11 2008,07:15) Gloppy is no more.  All 4 of his May 10 posts at UD are gone and TheBrites.org site is empty. Brites.org may be down and the GP's UD posts now 404s, but brites.org's statement vs a summary judgement by the 9th Federal District Court is a spoof of Yoko Ono and her legal actions against Expelled. I'd guess that the UD 404s are designed to lend the spoof verisimilitude. Hints: there is no Judge Utphray Opsla in any court. In fact, the string "Utphray" appears exactly once in a Google search (at theBrites.org) indicating that it isn't a name at all, in any language; nor does Opsla appear to be used as a surname. Utphray Opsla is probably an anagram. Further, FindLaw indicates that no decision at the Ninth circuit refers either to theBrites or Ono. There is no "Ono Inc." (it's "Yoko Ono, Inc."). And so on. All of that is interesting, and possible.  Yet Gloppy disappears just as oleg exposes his identity yet again.  It's hard to think this is a coincidence. Right - I think we're both right. theBrites.org may well have been pulled down for other reasons (e.g. Marks' exposure) - while the statement on the theBrites.com is phony (but no more phony than everything else about ID). -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,08:23    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 11 2008,08:10) Quote (olegt @ May 11 2008,07:15) Gloppy is no more.  All 4 of his May 10 posts at UD are gone and TheBrites.org site is empty. Brites.org may be down and the GP's UD posts now 404s, but brites.org's statement vs a summary judgement by the 9th Federal District Court is a spoof of Yoko Ono and her legal actions against Expelled. I'd guess that the UD 404s are designed to lend the spoof verisimilitude. Hints: there is no Judge Utphray Opsla in any court. In fact, the string "Utphray" appears exactly once in a Google search (at theBrites.org) indicating that it isn't a name at all, in any language; nor does Opsla appear to be used as a surname. Utphray Opsla is probably an anagram. Further, FindLaw indicates that no decision at the Ninth circuit refers either to theBrites or Ono. There is no "Ono Inc." (it's "Yoko Ono, Inc."). And so on. Some anagrams for "Utphray Opsla": Quote altho papyrus apply authors arhat polypus asphalt roupy authors apply hap pulsatory happy torulas harp outplays harps outplay hasty popular hoar platypus hora platypus hotspur playa hyla trappous hypo pastural hypo spatular loath papyrus lotah papyrus outplay harps outplay sharp outplays harp outpray plash pah pulsatory papula shorty papyral shout papyral south papyral thous papyrus altho papyrus loath papyrus lotah parlay tophus parlay upshot pasha poultry pastural hypo pausal trophy payout ralphs phrasal pouty plash outpray platypus hoar platypus hora playa hotspur polypus arhat poplar thuyas poplars thuya popular hasty poultry pasha pouty phrasal pulsatory hap pulsatory pah ralphs payout roupy asphalt roupy spathal sharp outplay shorty papula shout papyral south papyral spathal roupy spatular hypo thous papyral thuya poplars thuyas poplar tophus parlay torulas happy trappous hyla trophy pausal upshot parlay From Andy's Anagram Solver. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,08:48    There's not much to go on with just a name, if it's a code of some sort. If the point is to use a code like an anagram as a point of satire or parody, it strikes me that the code (anagram or otherwise) should be thinly veiled, so that it's fairly obvious or at least easily deciphered to anyone who reads it.  Otherwise, it sort of misses the point. So although it might actually be a code for an actual person, it might be just a bunch of letters.* Lou *In the spirit of my homonymical friend, allow me to add the caveat that I may be overestimating the literary insight of Galapagos Marx.** **ETA - It would appear the only literary insight I was overestimating was my own.  See down thread. Edited by Lou FCD on May 11 2008,11:54 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,08:57    Quote (Lou FCD @ May 11 2008,06:48) There's not much to go on with just a name, if it's a code of some sort. If the point is to use a code like an anagram as a point of satire or parody, it strikes me that the code (anagram or otherwise) should be thinly veiled, so that it's fairly obvious or at least easily deciphered to anyone who reads it.  Otherwise, it sort of misses the point. So although it might actually be a code for an actual person, it might be just a bunch of letters.* Lou *In the spirit of my homonymical friend, allow me to add the caveat that I may be overestimating the literary insight of Galapagos Marx. OK, tinfoil hat time:  the judges order was given as D08-3423.  Eighth letter of the alphabet is H, so DO8 becomes the Homeric "D'OH!"  I haven't come up with anything for 3423.  Letter-wise it's CDBC.  Umm, Charles Darwin's Bar Closes?  Probably not, but what the hell. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:02    Quote (didymos @ May 11 2008,09:57)   Quote (Lou FCD @ May 11 2008,06:48) There's not much to go on with just a name, if it's a code of some sort. If the point is to use a code like an anagram as a point of satire or parody, it strikes me that the code (anagram or otherwise) should be thinly veiled, so that it's fairly obvious or at least easily deciphered to anyone who reads it.  Otherwise, it sort of misses the point. So although it might actually be a code for an actual person, it might be just a bunch of letters.* Lou *In the spirit of my homonymical friend, allow me to add the caveat that I may be overestimating the literary insight of Galapagos Marx. OK, tinfoil hat time:  the judges order was given as D08-3423.  Eighth letter of the alphabet is H, so DO8 becomes the Homeric "D'OH!"  I haven't come up with anything for 3423.  Letter-wise it's CDBC.  Umm, Charles Darwin's Bar Closes?  Probably not, but what the hell. Where's Zero? Get over here and help us out! -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:06    Say what you will, but the sight of a Fellow and Distinguished Lecturer of the IEEE  prancing around in Gloppy's suit had a high entertainment value.  Now it's back to the usual programming at UD: O'Leary, kairosfocus and BA77 on all channels. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:08    Quote (didymos @ May 11 2008,09:57) Quote (Lou FCD @ May 11 2008,06:48) There's not much to go on with just a name, if it's a code of some sort. If the point is to use a code like an anagram as a point of satire or parody, it strikes me that the code (anagram or otherwise) should be thinly veiled, so that it's fairly obvious or at least easily deciphered to anyone who reads it.  Otherwise, it sort of misses the point. So although it might actually be a code for an actual person, it might be just a bunch of letters.* Lou *In the spirit of my homonymical friend, allow me to add the caveat that I may be overestimating the literary insight of Galapagos Marx. OK, tinfoil hat time:  the judges order was given as D08-3423.  Eighth letter of the alphabet is H, so DO8 becomes the Homeric "D'OH!"  I haven't come up with anything for 3423.  Letter-wise it's CDBC.  Umm, Charles Darwin's Bar Closes?  Probably not, but what the hell. Super Non-Stick Tinfoil donned. As it's seven letters and written in the style of a US phone number sans the area code, D O tuv def ghi abc def could work out to DOUEHCE, which isn't far from douche, appropriately. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:10    Doufice? -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

don_quixote Posts: 110 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:13    Quote (didymos @ May 10 2008,21:30) So, DI provides a link to part one of the Boteach video.  Part two is here. ---snip--- Great post, didymos. This thread, on richarddawkins.net, documents the events and has some good discussion. Richard's letter is on page two. The Rabbi has also debated with Hitchens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMYL8sF7bQ I'd never heard of Boteach before this recent kerfuffle, and I have to say that I'm far from impressed. He's just another fundy creotard. I bet the UD crowd love him.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:22    Quote (Lou FCD @ May 11 2008,10:08) Super Non-Stick Tinfoil donned. As it's seven letters and written in the style of a US phone number sans the area code, D O tuv def ghi abc def could work out to DOUEHCE, which isn't far from douche, appropriately. I can almost get "Opus Dei" out of it, but not quite. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:33    Fruit Loops. Has pig latin gone out of style for the younger generation? -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:42    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 11 2008,10:33) Fruit Loops. Has pig latin gone out of style for the younger generation? Score. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Quidam Posts: 229 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:48    Utphray Opsla sounds like Pig latin to me, which would translate to Rutph Lops Anagrams: HOTSPUR SUPPORT [edit] Shouldn't have taken so long writing this post - -------------- The organized fossils ... and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,09:49    Quote (Quidam @ May 11 2008,10:48) Utphray Opsla sounds like Pig latin to me, which would translate to Rutph Lops Anagrams: HOTSPUR SUPPORT You're a little late on that one, but we're still working on the docket number. We should thank Galapagos Marx for the little puzzlers for a rainy Sunday morning, though. Edited by Lou FCD on May 11 2008,10:50 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Quidam Posts: 229 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,10:12    DOH CDBC Doh, Charles Darwin Before Christ -------------- The organized fossils ... and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,10:39    Quote (Quidam @ May 11 2008,09:48) Utphray Opsla sounds like Pig latin to me, which would translate to Rutph Lops Anagrams: HOTSPUR SUPPORT [edit] Shouldn't have taken so long writing this post - So, he's a Spurs fan?! -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,10:41    OK, quasi-OT, but I was wondering why there isn't an "Evolution News & Views" mockery thread.  I know it's only a pseudo-blog and doesn't have tardelicious comments to rag on, but it's such pure and concentrated tard they produce over there that the comments are hardly necessary.  Basically, everything they post deserves a good group-fisking.  I know you can kinda get an overlapping thread-magisteria problem, what with UD often recycling from there plus the DI's heavy petting of Expelled, but the DI is, like, the Ultimate Ground of TARDing.  The Tao of TARD, if you will. Of course, if done, it needs a good title, and the description must make use of this in some fashion: Quote The misreporting of the evolution issue is one key reason for this site. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,10:45    If we take the 8th letter thus H approach, and combine it with the phone pad approach for the final four digits, we can pull out "D'oh! Dice!" -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,10:46    Quote (didymos @ May 11 2008,11:41) OK, quasi-OT, but I was wondering why there isn't an "Evolution News & Views" mockery thread.  I know it's only a pseudo-blog and doesn't have tardelicious comments to rag on, but it's such pure and concentrated tard they produce over there that the comments are hardly necessary.  Basically, everything they post deserves a good group-fisking.  I know you can kinda get an overlapping thread-magisteria problem, what with UD often recycling from there plus the DI's heavy petting of Expelled, but the DI is, like, the Ultimate Ground of TARDing.  The Tao of TARD, if you will. Of course, if done, it needs a good title, and the description must make use of this in some fashion:   Quote The misreporting of the evolution issue is one key reason for this site. We do have a Luskin thread, perhaps that would be appropriate.  Isn't he the main mouthpiece there?  (I don't read there regularly.) -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,10:53    Quote (olegt @ May 11 2008,04:15) Gloppy is no more.  All 4 of his May 10 posts at UD are gone and TheBrites.org site is empty.   I have the PDF file but I'm not going to put it on the web.  If anyone wants it for private viewing email me. It's funny -- he seems to have pulled the plug because of our comments yesterday, but Gloppy's identity was common knowledge here over a week ago (and olegt knew before that). What took Marks so long? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,10:57    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 11 2008,06:10) Opsla appear to be used as a surname. Utphray Opsla is probably an anagram I assumed it was Marks' cutesy Pig Latin for 'fruit slop'. I could be wrong. EDIT: Ack! That's what I get for responding without reading all the way to the end of the friggin thread! PEDANT EDIT: Technically, 'fruit loops' would be Utphray Oopsla(y). Not 'op'. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,11:03    Quote (didymos @ May 11 2008,09:57)   Quote (Lou FCD @ May 11 2008,06:48) There's not much to go on with just a name, if it's a code of some sort. If the point is to use a code like an anagram as a point of satire or parody, it strikes me that the code (anagram or otherwise) should be thinly veiled, so that it's fairly obvious or at least easily deciphered to anyone who reads it.  Otherwise, it sort of misses the point. So although it might actually be a code for an actual person, it might be just a bunch of letters.* Lou *In the spirit of my homonymical friend, allow me to add the caveat that I may be overestimating the literary insight of Galapagos Marx. OK, tinfoil hat time:  the judges order was given as D08-3423.  Eighth letter of the alphabet is H, so DO8 becomes the Homeric "D'OH!"  I haven't come up with anything for 3423.  Letter-wise it's CDBC.  Umm, Charles Darwin's Bar Closes?  Probably not, but what the hell. With a little creative mix-and-match, "D08-3423" could be a Dover reference of some kind. ETA: though I'm not sure of the significance of the number 23 in that scenario. Edited by Lou FCD on May 11 2008,12:04 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,11:28    Interestingly, the 23rd word of the first full paragraph on the 23rd page of Judge Jones' smackdown ruling in the KvD case is "academic", followed immediately by "freedom".   Quote (Judge John E. Jones III @ December 20, 2005) Among other reasons, the Supreme Court in Edwards concluded that the challenged statute did not serve the legislature’s professed purposes of encouraging academic freedom and making the science curriculum more comprehensive by “teaching all of the evidence” regarding origins of life because: the state law already allowed schools to teach any scientific theory, which responded to the alleged purpose of academic freedom; and if the legislature really had intended to make science education more comprehensive, “it would have encouraged the teaching of all scientific theories about the origins of humankind” rather than permitting schools to forego teaching evolution, but mandating that schools that teach evolution must also teach creation science, an inherently religious view. Id. at 586, 588-89. The Supreme Court further held that the belief that a supernatural creator was responsible for the creation of human kind is a religious viewpoint and that the Act at issue “advances a religious doctrine by requiring either the banishment of the theory of evolution from public school classrooms or the presentation of a religious viewpoint that rejects evolution in its entirety.” Id. at 591, 596. Therefore, as noted, the import of Edwards is that the Supreme Court made national the prohibition against teaching creation science in the public school system. ETA: I think I need more tinfoil. Edited by Lou FCD on May 11 2008,12:31 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,11:33    Quote PEDANT EDIT: Technically, 'fruit loops' would be Utphray Oopsla(y). Not 'op'. Are you assuming that Bob Marks is more competent in pig Latin than in MATLAB? -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,11:44    Quote (Lou FCD @ May 11 2008,08:46) Quote (didymos @ May 11 2008,11:41) OK, quasi-OT, but I was wondering why there isn't an "Evolution News & Views" mockery thread.  I know it's only a pseudo-blog and doesn't have tardelicious comments to rag on, but it's such pure and concentrated tard they produce over there that the comments are hardly necessary.  Basically, everything they post deserves a good group-fisking.  I know you can kinda get an overlapping thread-magisteria problem, what with UD often recycling from there plus the DI's heavy petting of Expelled, but the DI is, like, the Ultimate Ground of TARDing.  The Tao of TARD, if you will. Of course, if done, it needs a good title, and the description must make use of this in some fashion:   Quote The misreporting of the evolution issue is one key reason for this site. We do have a Luskin thread, perhaps that would be appropriate.  Isn't he the main mouthpiece there?  (I don't read there regularly.) Naw, they've got a whole passel of them now.  Besides Luskin, the following post pretty regularly: Michael Egnor,  John West, Paul Nelson, Jonathan Wells, Bruce Chapman, Robert Crowther, Anika Smith, and David Klinghoffer. Then you get the occasional Martin Cothran, Cornelius Hunter, or Geoffrey Simmons.  Even Berlinski shows up once in a while. A pretty good diversity of TARD.  TARDiversity? -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,11:53    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 11 2008,12:33) Quote PEDANT EDIT: Technically, 'fruit loops' would be Utphray Oopsla(y). Not 'op'. Are you assuming that Bob Marks is more competent in pig Latin than in MATLAB? LOL. Where's that photo of Marks with the pipe. Don't I looks teh smart??!!??!?

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2008,12:00    Quote (Lou FCD @ May 11 2008,12:03) Quote (didymos @ May 11 2008,09:57)   Quote (Lou FCD @ May 11 2008,06:48) There's not much to go on with just a name, if it's a code of some sort. If the point is to use a code like an anagram as a point of satire or parody, it strikes me that the code (anagram or otherwise) should be thinly veiled, so that it's fairly obvious or at least easily deciphered to anyone who reads it.  Otherwise, it sort of misses the point. So although it might actually be a code for an actual person, it might be just a bunch of letters.* Lou *In the spirit of my homonymical friend, allow me to add the caveat that I may be overestimating the literary insight of Galapagos Marx. OK, tinfoil hat time:  the judges order was given as D08-3423.  Eighth letter of the alphabet is H, so DO8 becomes the Homeric "D'OH!"  I haven't come up with anything for 3423.  Letter-wise it's CDBC.  Umm, Charles Darwin's Bar Closes?  Probably not, but what the hell. With a little creative mix-and-match, "D08-3423" could be a Dover reference of some kind. ETA: though I'm not sure of the significance of the number 23 in that scenario. 21 days of testimony in the Dover trial - 2 opposable thumbs (the mark of humanity's superiority over the golden retriever) = 23 23 X 23 = 529 529 - 7 days of creation = 522 the exact number of posts Zero has made to this board as of this moment. Coincidence?  I think not. what? -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

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