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midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,13:49    Quote So what's Dembski going to do?  If he tries to keep up the "this is science" story, he's going to risk alienating a big chunk of his base.  If he doesn't, he's going to make life more difficult for the DI, just at the point when they're making a new push to get ID into science classes. The author of Mere Creation is not in a very good position to expel creationists. Bill is on record saying 6000 is just as valid a number as 4.5 billion when it comes to dating the earth. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,14:55    Dave needles Denyse... http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture....-287868 Quote 3 DaveScot 05/07/2008 2:46 pm Let’s see if I have this straight. If you believe without doubt there’s an immaterial ghost or spirit of some sort in humans that’s perfectly rational. But if you even suspect there’s a ghost or spirit of some sort in non-human living things you’re some kind of nutcase. Okay. This appears to be yet another example of people who live in glass houses throwing stones. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,14:56    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ May 07 2008,08:57) Looks like the real DT is back on UD this morning - here's a classic lesson in logic delivered by the old Dave.   Quote StephenB Did someone put us here or did it just happen? For me the operative word is “happen”. If I became aware of myself as a conscious observer/participant in the universe one time then that proves it’s possible. What can happen once can and probably will happen again. Thus I really tend to discount the atheist belief that consciousness is an accident, a one-time event, and when you check out, take the old dirt nap, you’re gone forever. That’s an irrational conclusion. The rational conclusion is that what happens once will, given enough time and opportunity, happen again. Did he just say "I tard, therefore I am"? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,15:24    speaking of relativism, dave, you missed this one. Quote 3. Kill identified invasive species on your own property promptly. this is what granny was learn't way back yander when the earth was still wet.   my question is why the morphotrite is not sticking with her l'arning. Tell us, Grizzled Granmaw, What is an identified invasive species?  Grapes?  Advocadoes?  Chinese Silver Grass?  Is Eleagnus good or bad? She is stupid and I am glad that D'Tard is going after her in his Thomean moment. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,15:34    Whoa! Dave throws a haymaker and hits multiple targets. Quote As the prior article here talks about some moonbats in the Swiss government have concocted a set of rights for living things that even includes plants’ rights. This appears to be relevant to some other hot-button topics here in recent days. First of all it occurs to me that for the holocaust to happen it was a necessary factor for plants to have their right to life stripped from them. It’s really the first step down a slippery slope that ends with people having the right to life stripped from them. David Berlinski take note. We don’t want to overlook this in the future when we round up the usual suspects for holocaust scapegoating. The second thing that comes to mind is that this appears to be natural law - even plants have a right to a life unmolested by human bullies thugs. It appears universal and transcendent. I think the Swiss did what C.S. Lewis only tried to do - found the one true universal transcendent moral law. The mother of all moral laws, so to speak. Let's see if we can unpack this. He continues to needle Denyse, further makes fun of  everyone who buys into Darwin being necessary for the Holocaust, and connects again with BarryA's chin over his "we can has transcendent moral cheezburger" nonsense. Have I missed anything? -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,15:48    Quote (carlsonjok @ May 07 2008,16:34) Whoa! Dave throws a haymaker and hits multiple targets.   Quote As the prior article here talks about some moonbats in the Swiss government have concocted a set of rights for living things that even includes plants’ rights. This appears to be relevant to some other hot-button topics here in recent days. First of all it occurs to me that for the holocaust to happen it was a necessary factor for plants to have their right to life stripped from them. It’s really the first step down a slippery slope that ends with people having the right to life stripped from them. David Berlinski take note. We don’t want to overlook this in the future when we round up the usual suspects for holocaust scapegoating. The second thing that comes to mind is that this appears to be natural law - even plants have a right to a life unmolested by human bullies thugs. It appears universal and transcendent. I think the Swiss did what C.S. Lewis only tried to do - found the one true universal transcendent moral law. The mother of all moral laws, so to speak. Let's see if we can unpack this. He continues to needle Denyse, further makes fun of  everyone who buys into Darwin being necessary for the Holocaust, and connects again with BarryA's chin over his "we can has transcendent moral cheezburger" nonsense. Have I missed anything? Yes.  Something rather glaringly conspicuous, actually. ETA - myeh, maybe not.  Never mind. Edited by Lou FCD on May 07 2008,16:56 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,15:52    Quote (midwifetoad @ May 07 2008,11:49) Quote So what's Dembski going to do?  If he tries to keep up the "this is science" story, he's going to risk alienating a big chunk of his base.  If he doesn't, he's going to make life more difficult for the DI, just at the point when they're making a new push to get ID into science classes. The author of Mere Creation is not in a very good position to expel creationists. Bill is on record saying 6000 is just as valid a number as 4.5 billion when it comes to dating the earth. Agreed.  There's always been tension within the ID big tent, but Dembski's managed to hold everything together up until now.  Since Expelled, though, the cracks have been multiplying and widening.  I've never seen so much open, unpunished squabbling among the UD inmates as there's been over the last week or so.  At some point, Dr Dr D may need to show one side the door.  Given that, for almost all UDers except Dave, this is a religious movement, and that Dembski doesn't want to lose his base, I think the Floating Command Centre is heading for a sinking. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:07    Springer might fit in with the Telic Thoughts crew. One wonders whether Springer could sustain a blog striking off on his own, or whether he needs the support of a group blog to find material to comment upon. I think that he may simply have found it easier so far to ride along than to break trail, but he might do so if he gets the axe he's clearly asking for. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:21    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 07 2008,16:07) Springer might fit in with the Telic Thoughts crew. One wonders whether Springer could sustain a blog striking off on his own, or whether he needs the support of a group blog to find material to comment upon. I think that he may simply have found it easier so far to ride along than to break trail, but he might do so if he gets the axe he's clearly asking for. To be fair, if he goes so does UD's readership. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:28    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 07 2008,17:07) Springer might fit in with the Telic Thoughts crew. One wonders whether Springer could sustain a blog striking off on his own, or whether he needs the support of a group blog to find material to comment upon. I think that he may simply have found it easier so far to ride along than to break trail, but he might do so if he gets the axe he's clearly asking for. Not to say that he wouldn't, but he turned it down last time, and it was custom pre-built for him. All he had to do was start writing. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:36    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 07 2008,14:21)       Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 07 2008,16:07) Springer might fit in with the Telic Thoughts crew. One wonders whether Springer could sustain a blog striking off on his own, or whether he needs the support of a group blog to find material to comment upon. I think that he may simply have found it easier so far to ride along than to break trail, but he might do so if he gets the axe he's clearly asking for. To be fair, if he goes so does UD's readership. Dave's in a bind. His ego is too big to spend time on any blog he can't control (so TT would be a problem), but he probably doesn't have enough focus or enough to say to keep his own blog afloat. I suppose he can always get his own news show on Fox. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:38    Arf! http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-287883 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:47    Quote (Richardthughes @ May 07 2008,14:38) Arf! http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-287883 Okay, that does it. Erasmus broke into Dave's house using that big squirrel rifle of his, has him tied up in the basement, and is posting under his name. There's no other explanation. Has anyone considered the possibility that Dave's started reading this thread and is now trying to put on a show for us? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:48    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 07 2008,16:47) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 07 2008,14:38) Arf! http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-287883 Okay, that does it. Erasmus broke into Dave's house using that big squirrel rifle of his, has him tied up in the basement, and is posting under his name. There's no other explanation. Has anyone considered the possibility that Dave's started reading this thread and is now trying to put on a show for us? Oh, Dave reads this thread. He has for a while. *waves* Hiya, Dave. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:55    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 07 2008,17:07) Springer might fit in with the Telic Thoughts crew. One wonders whether Springer could sustain a blog striking off on his own, or whether he needs the support of a group blog to find material to comment upon. I think that he may simply have found it easier so far to ride along than to break trail, but he might do so if he gets the axe he's clearly asking for. No shame there. I for one have neither the time, energy, or inclination (nor indeed enough to say) to sustain a blog. So I appreciate AtBC for providing exactly that sort of ride. I too think Dave is considering a break. He's been much less of a lickspittle of late. I think even he's had enough of the train wreck that is UD. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

dheddle Posts: 545 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,16:58    This is not quite as entertaining as a NASCAR race but definitely more fun than one of those Formula-1 pseudo-races. I can hardly believe that Dave has posted a FSM pic. It's time for a pool as to when crash and burn will occur--or is there already one up and running? -------------- Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:02    Quote (dheddle @ May 07 2008,16:58) This is not quite as entertaining as a NASCAR race Actually, it is exactly like a NASCAR race.  We are all sitting around watching a good ole boy turning to the left. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:03    Quote (dheddle @ May 07 2008,17:58) This is not quite as entertaining as a NASCAR race but definitely more fun than one of those Formula-1 pseudo-races. I can hardly believe that Dave has posted a FSM pic. It's time for a pool as to when crash and burn will occur--or is there already one up and running? Well Dave reads here, so it'd have to be done elsewhere and behind closed doors so as not to influence the outcome unduly. Just sayin'. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:06    Quote (dheddle @ May 07 2008,16:58) This is not quite as entertaining as a NASCAR race but definitely more fun than one of those Formula-1 pseudo-races. I can hardly believe that Dave has posted a FSM pic. It's time for a pool as to when crash and burn will occur--or is there already one up and running? So, is the only reason you read UD is hoping for a crash and burn? -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:08    And they wonder why they get mocked: Quote Eric Anderson 05/07/2008 1:59 pm Bob O’H, interesting site. - There is a prominent link on the first page to the NCSE. Hmmm, quite the objective paragon there . . . Sez the guy on UD who apparently can't read or has a need to appear as though he's uncovered some nefarious secret of Darwinism: Quote Expelled Exposed created and maintained by the National Center for Science Education. Quote - There is a linked video on the first page about how the eye supposedly evolved. Is this a joke? Is this some sort of reverse Poe's Law at work here? Quote - The site seems partly devoted to challenging ID. Keep in mind that Ben Stein is not claiming in the movie that ID is right. He is simply questioning the Darwinist tactic of not letting any other voice at the table. Challenging ID is certainly a legitimate activity in its own right, but it is only tangentially related to Stein’s larger point. Right, because Ben "Science leads to killing people" Stein is the true objective paragon.  I propose instead that Ben merely has the appearance of Objective Paragonicity and is himself a joke, though not by design. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:09    Quote (dheddle @ May 07 2008,16:58) This is not quite as entertaining as a NASCAR race but definitely more fun than one of those Formula-1 pseudo-races. I can hardly believe that Dave has posted a FSM pic. It's time for a pool as to when crash and burn will occur--or is there already one up and running? Oh Dave. F1 > NASCAR. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:11    DaveScott: Quote Just keepin’ it real, homey. No emphasis needed. Makes you wonder if he's grown tired of the whole spectacle and wants to go out with a bang. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:15    Not even Dave buys their pretense of science any more. The god bothering has increased there since Expelled slithered onto the scene.. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:16    Quote (carlsonjok @ May 07 2008,15:02) Quote (dheddle @ May 07 2008,16:58) This is not quite as entertaining as a NASCAR race Actually, it is exactly like a NASCAR race.  We are all sitting around watching a good ole boy turning to the left. Well, it's like a NASCAR race in that they're going round and round without making any progress, but unlike one in that I'm still awake. Editation: Richard's wrong.  F1=NASCAR.  If I want to watch traffic, I'll look out the window. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:49    Quote Pete I hadn’t thought about it that way but you’re right. The FSM is composed of unborn wheat plants dried, crushed, formed, and cooked. Pro-wheaters can’t care for that one little bit. That's awesome, actually. I want to be a pro-wheater. We can call ourselves the Pro-Wheat Association of America, or PWAA. Our founding goals can state that Pastafarianism is offensive to wheat. Dave's post deserves it. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:53    P.E.T.W. The "People Eating Tasty Wheat" website will follow shortly thereafter. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,17:58    Is Dave allowed to post here, uncle Wes? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

dheddle Posts: 545 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,18:35    Rich, Before this gets moved: F1: girlie paddle shifters. NASCAR: real shifters plus they still use carburetors! How cool is that? F1: literally can go years without a pass for the lead on the track. To first order: starting grid = finish order. NASCAR: typically ~20 passes for the lead every race. Often one ore more on the last lap. -------------- Mysticism is a rational enterprise. Religion is not. The mystic has recognized something about the nature of consciousness prior to thought, and this recognition is susceptible to rational discussion. The mystic has reason for what he believes, and these reasons are empirical. --Sam Harris

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,18:38    Quote (dheddle @ May 07 2008,18:35) Rich, Before this gets moved: F1: girlie paddle shifters. NASCAR: real shifters plus they still use carburetors! How cool is that? F1: literally can go years without a pass for the lead on the track. To first order: starting grid = finish order. NASCAR: typically ~20 passes for the lead every race. Often one ore more on the last lap. I recon I could take a NASCAR round the track no worries. I'd have no chance in an F1 car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0O7gFycPho -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,18:47    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 07 2008,22:47) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 07 2008,14:38) Arf! http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-287883 Okay, that does it. Erasmus broke into Dave's house using that big squirrel rifle of his, has him tied up in the basement, and is posting under his name. There's no other explanation. Has anyone considered the possibility that Dave's started reading this thread and is now trying to put on a show for us? Not only have I considered it, posted on it, but I have believed for some time that the frequency and manner of banninations at least are a bit of Dave's very own street theatre. Quite deliberate, quite amusing. The best part is where he sneaks in all the tard he is clearly unaware of. It's a classic tard/street theatre/self-unaware combo that makes D'Tard compelling viewing for many. Not so much for me, but I understand that some get a kick from UD and various UDenizens. There's a thread about it somewhere isn't there? I've been lead to understand it's quite popular. I should look it up one of these days. Louis -------------- Bye.

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