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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,16:28   

BarryA is a tard.  His example supposedly proving the existence of an absolute moral standard is sex with little children.  In Barry's view, there is no reason to consider it a bad idea other than god told us not to.  Hey Barry, if you flexed your considerable brain muscle, maybe you could figure out that such an activity hurts little children, both physically and psychologically?  That didn't occur to you, did it?  

And while we're on the subject of absolute, immutable, set-in-stone moral standards, what's with the age of consent?  It used to be moral to get a 12-year-old bride in Christian medieval England, remember?  Is it still moral or has morality evolved?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,16:38   

Quote (olegt @ May 06 2008,16:28)
BarryA is a tard.  His example supposedly proving the existence of an absolute moral standard is sex with little children.  In Barry's view, there is no reason to consider it a bad idea other than god told us not to.  Hey Barry, if you flexed your considerable brain muscle, maybe you could figure out that such an activity hurts little children, both physically and psychologically?  That didn't occur to you, did it?  

And while we're on the subject of absolute, immutable, set-in-stone moral standards, what's with the age of consent?  It used to be moral to get a 12-year-old bride in Christian medieval England, remember?  Is it still moral or has morality evolved?

Probably in biblical times and in biblical countries also. I'm thinking an early start was necessary given life expectancy in those days...

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,17:37   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 06 2008,16:38)
Quote (olegt @ May 06 2008,16:28)
BarryA is a tard.  His example supposedly proving the existence of an absolute moral standard is sex with little children.  In Barry's view, there is no reason to consider it a bad idea other than god told us not to.  Hey Barry, if you flexed your considerable brain muscle, maybe you could figure out that such an activity hurts little children, both physically and psychologically?  That didn't occur to you, did it?  

And while we're on the subject of absolute, immutable, set-in-stone moral standards, what's with the age of consent?  It used to be moral to get a 12-year-old bride in Christian medieval England, remember?  Is it still moral or has morality evolved?

Probably in biblical times and in biblical countries also. I'm thinking an early start was necessary given life expectancy in those days...

If Mary existed, she was probably 13 or so when she birthed Yahweh Jr. Which makes God a child abuser.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,18:04   

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Quote (olegt @ May 06 2008,16:28)
BarryA is a tard.  His example supposedly proving the existence of an absolute moral standard is sex with little children.  In Barry's view, there is no reason to consider it a bad idea other than god told us not to.  Hey Barry, if you flexed your considerable brain muscle, maybe you could figure out that such an activity hurts little children, both physically and psychologically?  That didn't occur to you, did it?  

And while we're on the subject of absolute, immutable, set-in-stone moral standards, what's with the age of consent?  It used to be moral to get a 12-year-old bride in Christian medieval England, remember?  Is it still moral or has morality evolved?

Probably in biblical times and in biblical countries also. I'm thinking an early start was necessary given life expectancy in those days...

If Mary existed, she was probably 13 or so when she birthed Yahweh Jr. Which makes God a child abuser.


Well, maybe it was actually unintentional.  If we assume Yahweh is rather like Kal-El of Krypton (Silver Age version), the whole Gospel tradition may represent some sort of divine PR spin after-the-fact.  Consider:
 
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Within her body there are still tens of millions of frustrated kryptonian sperm. The single egg is now too diffuse to be a target. The sperm scatter.

They scatter without regard to what is in their path. They leave curved channels, microscopically small. Presently all will have found their way to the open air.

That leaves LL with several million microscopic perforations all leading deep into her abdomen. Most of the channels will intersect one or more loops of intestine.

Peritonitis is inevitable. LL becomes desperately ill.

Meanwhile, tens of millions of sperm swarm in the air over Metropolis.

This is more serious than it looks.

Consider: these sperm are virtually indestructible. Within days or weeks they will die for lack of nourishment. Meanwhile they cannot be affected by heat, cold, vacuum, toxins, or anything short of green kryptonite. (*And other forms of kryptonite. For instance, there are chunks of red kryptonite that make giants of kryptonians. Imagine ten million earthworm size spermatozoa swarming over a Metropolis beach, diving to fertilize the beach balls... but I digress.*) There they are, minuscule but dangerous; for each has supernormal powers.

Metropolis is shaken by tiny sonic booms. Wormholes, charred by meteoric heat, sprout magically in all kinds of things: plate glass, masonry, antique ceramics, electric mixers, wood, household pets, and citizens. Some of the sperm will crack lightspeed. The Metropolis night comes alive with a network of narrow, eerie blue lines of Cherenkov radiation.

And women whom Superman has never met find themselves in a delicate condition.

Consider: LL won't get pregnant because there were too many of the blind mindless beasts. But whenever one sperm approaches an unfertilized human egg in its panic flight, it will attack.

How close is close enough? A few centimeters? Are sperm attracted by chemical cues? It seems likely. Metropolis had a population of millions; and kryptonian sperm could travel a long and crooked path, billions of miles, before it gives up and dies.

Several thousand blessed events seem not unlikely. (*If the pubescent Superboy plays with himself, we have the same problem over Smallville.*)

Several thousand lawsuits would follow. Not that Superman can't afford to pay. There's a trick where you squeeze a lump of coal into its allotropic diamond form...


If Yahweh was actually off in space relieving some ungodly frustrations, then it's possible Mary was just on the unlucky receiving end of a divine tracjectory.

(edited because I initially used Golden Age Kal-L as my Yahweh model.)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,18:24   

Extra-curricular tard from the DI pseudo-blog, so dumb I just had to share:
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Velvet worms are thought to be descended of insects, but the evidence for this is scanty; they look a lot like worms, and they have remained unchanged for millions of years. They live along fallen leaves in tropical forests and have two nozzles, one on each side of their head, which can fire off a very quickly drying glue at their prey. These two sprays crisscross back and forth, as if lassoing the victim. Once the victim is securely ensnared, the worm bites a hole in its body, injects digestive juices, and then slurps up the dissolving victim. Curiously, this glue does not dry within the worm’s body, and its digestive juices are well contained. Imagine the difficulty if the intermediate glue dried within the velvet worm, clogging the nozzles, or dried too slowly, allowing the victim to get away before becoming ensnared.


And guess what kiddies: there's more to come! Yay!

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Note: This is the first of a series of posts excerpted from my book, Billions of Missing Links: A Rational Look at the Mysteries Evolution Can't Explain.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,19:03   

Quote (Hermagoras @ May 06 2008,17:37)
If Mary existed, she was probably 13 or so when she birthed Yahweh Jr. Which makes God a child abuser.

1. The age you give for Mary is pure speculation.

2. The only ones I know of who think "God" is the literal father of Jesus Christ are some Mormons.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,19:09   

Quote (olegt @ May 06 2008,14:28)
BarryA is a tard.  His example supposedly proving the existence of an absolute moral standard is sex with little children.  In Barry's view, there is no reason to consider it a bad idea other than god told us not to.  Hey Barry, if you flexed your considerable brain muscle, maybe you could figure out that such an activity hurts little children, both physically and psychologically?  That didn't occur to you, did it?  

And while we're on the subject of absolute, immutable, set-in-stone moral standards, what's with the age of consent?  It used to be moral to get a 12-year-old bride in Christian medieval England, remember?  Is it still moral or has morality evolved?

I see from a related website that the age of consent in Tennessee is 13. This explains a lot about Erasmus.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,19:45   

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The only ones I know of who think "God" is the literal father of Jesus Christ are some Mormons.



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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,19:59   

Barry spelled the Friedrich in Friedrich Nietzsche wrong. Also, he's guilty of some kind of reverse No True Scotsman fallacy. Instead of saying people on his side aren't really on his side when they behave deplorably, he says people are only really "Darwinists" or "materialists" if they're bombastic nihilists or eugenicists or similar. If you're well-adjusted, you're not really a materialist, or you don't profoundly and courageously confront the implications of Darwinism, or something.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,20:08   

Quote (Annyday @ May 06 2008,17:59)
Barry spelled the Friedrich in Friedrich Nietzsche wrong. Also, he's guilty of some kind of reverse No True Scotsman fallacy. Instead of saying people on his side aren't really on his side when they behave deplorably, he says people are only really "Darwinists" or "materialists" if they're bombastic nihilists or eugenicists or similar. If you're well-adjusted, you're not really a materialist, or you don't profoundly and courageously confront the implications of Darwinism, or something.


I suppose that's easier than admitting that life is far more complex than one's cartoonish stereotypes admit.

Ghost of Paley once did something similar. He was quite disappointed to hear that none of us here had read Foucault, since he assumed all leftist atheists worship Foucault. It was kind of like his enemies had let him down.  :(

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,20:20   

Quote (Annyday @ May 06 2008,19:59)
Barry spelled the Friedrich in Friedrich Nietzsche wrong. Also, he's guilty of some kind of reverse No True Scotsman fallacy. Instead of saying people on his side aren't really on his side when they behave deplorably, he says people are only really "Darwinists" or "materialists" if they're bombastic nihilists or eugenicists or similar. If you're well-adjusted, you're not really a materialist, or you don't profoundly and courageously confront the implications of Darwinism, or something.

The No True Strawman Fallacy

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,20:36   

PaV caps it:
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How would we know if something were transcendent or not unless we ourselves are able to transcend the strictly material. If, however, we are able to transcend the material, then we have a capacity that itself is transcendent. This transendent/spiritual component of our being obviously did not come from the strictly material since it is able to transcend the strictly material. Hence, our nature is composed of that which is transcendent and that which is material. Put another way, “natural law” cannot possibly exist unless we have a spiritual nature. How do you think Darwin would answer? I have my ideas.

He'd be all, "What the fuck is he talking about?"

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,21:11   

sorry, off-topic.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,21:32   

BarryA's thread is a tardmine.  Here's the always reliable BA77
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Yet in materialism anything goes so it is of necessity to actually prove the physical reality of a dominant transcendent reality which has dominion over the material reality. This proof is accomplished partially through Dr. Anton Zeilinger’s work in quantum non-locality. He actually proves the transcendence and dominion of “spiritual information” over the material/energy realm. This in conjuntion with the failure of gravity to be tied to the material/energy realm and timeless (eternal) nature of light as well as the sheer poverty and discoherence of the “many world’s interpretation” in quantum mechanics, in my humble opinion, forces one to accept the reality of a higher, timeless, transcendent, dimension from which our “material” reality has its primary reality based.

Dr. Anton Zeilinger is even confident enough of the reality and dominion of this transcendent realm he manipulates in his quantum teleportation experments to state:

http://www.metanexus.net/Magazin....lt.aspx

Just enjoy it!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,22:57   

I nominate Dave for PoTW.  I'll just repost.

 
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Don’t be silly. I haven’t shifted one tiny bit. I’m assuming “for the sake of argument” that Darwin led to Hitler just to make the point that in any case this has nothing at all to do with the science of design detection. You guys just don’t get it. I’m beginning to think the chance worshippers were right all along and this IS all about getting a bible on every desktop in every public school in America. How depressing. What Expelled seems to have done more than anything else is to get all the God botherers fired up and out of the closet, dropping any pretense that it was ever about science at all. It is just creationism in a cheap tuxedo. An attempt to establish a theocracy. What a revolting development.



wow.  good on him.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 07 2008,06:44

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,23:14   

Yeah - just saw this. Magic stuff! Go on Dave!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,23:36   

BarryA starts his tard-fight with Dave thusly:
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In Bass Ackwards Darwinism (below) my friend DaveScott writes:

What is the extra T in DaveScott meant to mean?  Does BarryA read our writings?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2008,23:53   

Willy Wally posts where only the anointed few can:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-top....-287772



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05/06/2008

11:40 pm
Well, sir, this is a well written and well reasoned blog entry. I agree. Period. Thanks BarryA!

However, I fear that these very deep questions will lead to schisms.

Ah, never mind. We’re much bigger people than the close minded evolanders. We know that a seed planted today might take awhile before it sprouts, grows, and bears good fruit.

Meanwhile, who is afraid to disagree? Not this side.


Who's disagreements make it through moderation...?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,00:24   

I'm kind of shocked that Dave is showing susceptibility to evidence. I'm ordinarily a tremendous cynic about people getting better about anything.

If you're reading this, Dave, just ... I don't know, do an Amazon search for Dembski's books. Read the titles, here. "Intelligent Design: The Bridge Between Science and Theology." "Mere Creationism; Science, Faith, and Intelligent Design." "Moral Darwinism." Remember the sound bites about Intelligent Design being the Logos of the Gospel of John restated in the idiom of information theory? Or everything ever said by Sal, or Sanford's sworn testimony that we're a special creation by God, or Dembski's endorsement of his work? It's dumb, dishonest, and legally a losing strategy par excellence.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,01:54   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 06 2008,20:57)
I nominate Dave for PoTW.  I'll just repost.

   
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Frost

Don’t be silly. I haven’t shifted one tiny bit. I’m assuming “for the sake of argument” that Darwin led to Hitler just to make the point that in any case this has nothing at all to do with the science of design detection. You guys just don’t get it. I’m beginning to think the chance worshippers were right all along and this IS all about getting a bible on every desktop in every public school in America. How depressing. What Expelled seems to have done more than anything else is to get all the God botherers fired up and out of the closet, dropping any pretense that it was ever about science at all. It is just creationism in a cheap tuxedo. An attempt to establish a theocracy. What a revolting development.


wow.  good on him.

I'm dazzled. I've read this a couple times and I keep wondering if Dave is just fucking with us.

But I have to admit, I'm baffled that it took Dave this long to finally discern something that been so obvious to us Church Burning Ebola Boys. I don't see that Expelled did much except make all the IDer's talk about Nazis 24/7. That didn't surprise us -- evidently it *did* surprise Dave.

However, I suspect Dave is too vested in ID to just leave. I predict he'll get over it, hold his nose, look the other way, and stay on as straw boss at UD. I'm afraid he'll be his old self in a week or so.  ???

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,02:16   

Does anyone over there ever check anything before posting? Well, except for the precious few "evolanders" who eke a fit bytes through the reality filter on occassion, and DaveScot when he feels like it.  Anway, this:
 
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Nature would be a good choice of rag. It started off as a mouthpiece for eugenics.


The table of contents page of Nature's 1st issue, published Nov. 4 1869:
 
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A WEEKLY ILLUSTRATED JOURNAL OF SCIENCE

"To the solid ground
Of Nature trusts the mind which builds for aye." -- WORDSWORTH

   *      GOETHE: APHORISMS ON NATURE    BY PROF. HUXLEY, F.R.S
   *      ON THE FERTILISATION OF WINTER-FLOWERING PLANTS By A. W. BENNET, F.L.S (with illustrations)
   *      PROTOPLASM AT THE ANTIPODES
   *      THE RECENT TOTAL ECLIPSE IN AMERICA By J. NORMAN LOCKYER
   *      NEWMAN'S BRITISH MOTHS BY W.W. DALLAS, F.L.S (with illustrations)
   *      OUR BOOK SHELF
   *      SCIENCE-TEACHING IN SCHOOLS BY THE REV. W. TUCKWELL
   *      THE LATE PROFESSOR GRAHAM BY PROF. WILLIAMSON, F.R.S (with portrait)
   *      MEETING OF THE GERMAN NATURALIST AND PHYSICIANS AT INNSBRUCK. BY A-GEIKIE F.R.S
   *      TRIASSIC DINOSAURIA.   BY PROF. HUXLEY, F.R.S.
   *      CORRESPONDENCE:- THE SUEZ CANAL.   T. LOGIN, C.E.
   *      NOTES
   *      ASTRONOMY - ASTRONOMICAL CONGRESS AT VIENNA
   *      CHEMISTRY - ABSTRACTS OF PAPERS BY BETTENDORFF, PATERNO, PELIGOT, & C.
   *      PHYSICS - MAGNUS ON HEAT.SPECTRA
   *      PHYSIOLOGY - PETTENKOFER OF CHOLERA, & c.
   *      SOCIETIES AND ACADEMIES
   *      DIARY
   *      BOOKS RECEIVED
(from http://www.nature.com/nature/first/ )



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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,05:41   

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I nominate Dave for PoTW.  I'll just repost.

       
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Frost

Don’t be silly. I haven’t shifted one tiny bit. I’m assuming “for the sake of argument” that Darwin led to Hitler just to make the point that in any case this has nothing at all to do with the science of design detection. You guys just don’t get it. I’m beginning to think the chance worshippers were right all along and this IS all about getting a bible on every desktop in every public school in America. How depressing. What Expelled seems to have done more than anything else is to get all the God botherers fired up and out of the closet, dropping any pretense that it was ever about science at all. It is just creationism in a cheap tuxedo. An attempt to establish a theocracy. What a revolting development.


wow.  good on him.

I'm dazzled. I've read this a couple times and I keep wondering if Dave is just fucking with us.

I have two trains of thoughts on this.

1. Someone else observed a while back that Dave is no Bible Thumper ™, but is more likely just a conservative cultural warrior. He took up the ID cause because opposition to evolution was a plank in the platform.  Now that he sees fellow conservatives trashing ID, he is less enamored with fighting that battle.  But, being one who probably doesn't quit, he is trying to get fired.

2.  Spring is here and summer is just around the corner. Dave may want to spend more time working out at his lake property and rebuilding the engine on his jet ski.  But, being one who probably doesn't quit, he is trying to get fired.

In either case, let's hope he leaves the disemvoweler on in the background.  That was some madcap fun the last time he did that and Denyse couldn't figure out what was going on.

Added in edit:  Good Times!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,05:51   

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I nominate Dave for PoTW.  I'll just repost.

   
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Frost

Don’t be silly. I haven’t shifted one tiny bit. I’m assuming “for the sake of argument” that Darwin led to Hitler just to make the point that in any case this has nothing at all to do with the science of design detection. You guys just don’t get it. I’m beginning to think the chance worshippers were right all along and this IS all about getting a bible on every desktop in every public school in America. How depressing. What Expelled seems to have done more than anything else is to get all the God botherers fired up and out of the closet, dropping any pretense that it was ever about science at all. It is just creationism in a cheap tuxedo. An attempt to establish a theocracy. What a revolting development.



wow.  good on him.

Done.

Edited to fix Erasmus' link.

Here it is again.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 07 2008,07:57

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,05:51   

Did anybody notice that Dumbski mentions A Case for a Creator as an "ID DVD"?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,06:02   

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BarryA is a tard.  His example supposedly proving the existence of an absolute moral standard is sex with little children.  In Barry's view, there is no reason to consider it a bad idea other than god told us not to.  Hey Barry, if you flexed your considerable brain muscle, maybe you could figure out that such an activity hurts little children, both physically and psychologically?  That didn't occur to you, did it?  

And while we're on the subject of absolute, immutable, set-in-stone moral standards, what's with the age of consent?  It used to be moral to get a 12-year-old bride in Christian medieval England, remember?  Is it still moral or has morality evolved?

Probably in biblical times and in biblical countries also. I'm thinking an early start was necessary given life expectancy in those days...

If Mary existed, she was probably 13 or so when she birthed Yahweh Jr. Which makes God a child abuser.

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From: Pixy Morgan <plingles@earthlink.net>
Subject: Marriage age of women in colonial times
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:25:06 -0600


Hi. The Middle Tennessee Genealogical Society Newsletter, March 1999
issue, had a really good article, "The Status of Women in Early
America". It discusses in detail that status of our ancestral
grandmothers...."Under the common law of England, persons might marry at
age of 21. With consent of the parents (which meant the consent of the
father), a male might marry at the age of 14 and a female at the age of
12. If either had been previously married, their minority was
considered to have been removed and parental consent was not required to
remarry."

The Age of Consent in Iowa was 14 until a few years ago.  It's 16 now, but        
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Section 709.4 states; "A person commits sexual abuse in the third degree when the person performs a sex act under any of the following circumstances..." 2© "The other person is fourteen or fifteen years of age and any of the following are true..." (3) "The person is in a position of authority over the other person and uses that authority to coerce the other person to submit. (4) The person is four or more years older than the other person."

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The interpretation of Iowa law is that the age of pure consent is 16. But sexual acts involving a 14 or 15 are permissible so long as the older person is not more than four years older than the younger, the older is not related to or living with the younger, and the older is not in authority.

Of course, Mohammed was famous for marrying a thirteen year old - but I'm sure he had her father's permission.

Canadian Journalists might take note that the age of consent for anal sex in Canada is higher than for the regular kind.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,06:35   

Paul Nelson pimps a book on ID theories going back millenia.

But I thought ID was supposed to be a brand new theory freshly risen to challenge tired old Darwinism.  According to Paul, it's a reaaallly old, worn out theory that has been replaced and should be ignored?  

[Whispers] Paul, didn't you get the message?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,06:38   

Salvador runs away
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Gentleman,

I’ll be on travel for a bit, but I’ll return.


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I also have a discussion at PT ongoing. I have to be cordial there as a professor from my school is also participating and it is my hope we conduct ourselves in a manner which honors the institution we are a part of. He has certainly been cordial to me and I’ll endeavor to reciprocate.


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,07:15   

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Natural Selection is daily and hourly scrutinising, throughout the world, the slightest variations; rejecting those that are bad, preserving and adding up all that are good.

C.DARWIN sixth edition Origin of Species — Ch#4 Natural Selection

This is an even better quote showing how wrong Darwin was in light of these discussions.

It would really help if scordova actually read Origin of Species instead of just looking for quote-mines. Darwin writes in the same chapter,



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Darwin:  I can under such circumstances see no reason to doubt that the swiftest and slimmest wolves would have the best chance of surviving, and so be preserved or selected, provided always that they retained strength to master their prey at this or at some other period of the year, when they might be compelled to prey on other animals.

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Darwin:  If such do occur, can we doubt (remembering that many more individuals are born than can possibly survive) that individuals having any advantage, however slight, over others, would have the best chance of surviving and of procreating their kind?

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Darwin:  The flowers of two distinct individuals of the same species would thus get crossed; and the act of crossing, we have good reason to believe (as will hereafter be more fully alluded to), would produce very vigorous seedlings, which consequently would have the best chance of flourishing and surviving.

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Darwin: In such case, every slight modification, which in the course of ages chanced to arise, and which in any way favoured the individuals of any of the species, by better adapting them to their altered conditions, would tend to be preserved; and natural selection would thus have free scope for the work of improvement.

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Darwin: an individual so characterised would be able to obtain its food more quickly, and so have a better chance of living and leaving descendants.

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Darwin: When the sexes are separated, although the male and female flowers may be produced on the same tree, we can see that pollen must be regularly carried from flower to flower; and this will give a better chance of pollen being occasionally carried from tree to tree.

"the best chance of surviving, and so be preserved or selected"
"the best chance of surviving and of procreating their kind"
"the best chance of flourishing and surviving"
"would tend to be preserved"
"so have a better chance of living and leaving descendants"
"a better chance of pollen being occasionally carried from tree to tree"

Clearly, Darwin was aware of the role of chance in life. Here's something else that's quite interesting,

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Darwin: It is, however, far more necessary to bear in mind that there are many unknown laws of correlation of growth, which, when one part of the organisation is modified through variation, and the modifications are accumulated by natural selection for the good of the being, will cause other modifications, often of the most unexpected nature.

This has the flavor of evolutionary development, but as with genetics, Darwin could only guess at the mechanisms involved.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,07:26   

Sal isn't in any danger.  He's in a different program administered by a different division and located on a different campus.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 07 2008,07:36   

Did I miss comments on this?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/whos-in-it-for-the-money/

Or is there a WAD's Friday Meltdown thread I have been overlooking?

Some glorious excerpts follow -

All quotes from the Dr.Dr. his very self
 
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Critics of the ID movement often complain that we’re fabulously well funded by right-wing extremists and in it for our own aggrandizement. Fortunately, money leaves a trail. When one follows it, Darwinists seem to be doing much better financially than ID theorists (perhaps an indication that they are serving Mammon more faithfully). Let’s consider a few better off Darwinists:


photo of middle-aged Darwin
 
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Saint Charles himself. By present standards, Darwin would probably have been worth about US$20 million. He was a gentleman scholar who lived very comfortably.


photo of Ayala and his wife
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Francisco Ayala. A recent New York Times article indicated that Ayala and his wife Hana own 6,000 acres of vineyards in California. Even with the real estate market as it is, the Ayalas seem to be doing quite nicely. Not bad for an ex-priest who presumably once made a vow of poverty.


photo of Ken Miller
 
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Ken Miller, whose textbooks carefully misrepresent Darwin’s theory to make it appear stronger than it actually is, have, I understand, sold hundreds of thousands of copies, and thus has yielded him some extra spending money to the tune of 7 figures over and above his Ivy League salary.


None of the photos show anyone wearing a 6X oversized sweater.


fusilier, who saw Larry Moran mention this at his blog.
James 2:24

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