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Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,08:17    Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:11) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:00) OK so what is moar believable- Acartia and Ed George are the same person, OR Ed George follows Acartia around the internet, learning Acartia' MO and conversations? I don’t know, but I know Acartia and we’ve talked about this, and we don’t know who Ed is. Well I know that Acartia is a liar. You can believe him if you want to. I am moar that comfortable with the fact you will never be able to refute my claim. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,08:23    Joe, after Dover most of the people who had their hopes  on the intelligent design scam gave up. They knew the jig was up. 90% of the commenters at uncommon descent have left. Telic Thoughts shut down. If you go to the Discovery Institute’s list of ID blogs and sites you will see that most of them have quit. The people at the Discovery Institute keep going because they’re making money off it, and a handful of complete lunatics like Kairosfocus and Batshit77 keep going because they’re fucking lunatic tards with obsessive fixation. Batshit writes 10,000 words a day on this stuff. You think he’s mentally healthy? A tiny number of scientists or ex-scientists get off on laughing at the ID people, and we mostly know each other. I know Bob O’H, I know Acartia, I know who Retired Physicist is. I don’t know who JVL or Ed George are. But I wish they’d email me. Username here at gmail.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,08:26    Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:23) Joe, after Dover most of the people who had their hopes  on the intelligent design scam gave up. They knew the jig was up. 90% of the commenters at uncommon descent have left. Telic Thoughts shut down. If you go to the Discovery Institute’s list of ID blogs and sites you will see that most of them have quit. The people at the Discovery Institute keep going because they’re making money off it, and a handful of complete lunatics like Kairosfocus and Batshit77 keep going because they’re fucking lunatic tards with obsessive fixation. Batshit writes 10,000 words a day on this stuff. You think he’s mentally healthy? A tiny number of scientists or ex-scientists get off on laughing at the ID people, and we mostly know each other. I know Bob O’H, I know Acartia, I know who Retired Physicist is. I don’t know who JVL or Ed George are. But I wish they’d email me. Username here at gmail. LoL! Dover didn't do anything to ID. The evos lied and bluffed their way through the trial. The judge was an ignorant ass. ID is still the only scientifically viable explanation for our existence. And your side still has nothing but morons like you. It's very telling that this entire forum NEVER presents any evidence that would refute ID and support your own position. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,08:28    Anyone who thinks that nature can produce codes is not mentally healthy. Anyone who thinks that minds arose from the mindless via blind and mindless processes, is not mentally healthy. You have to be a total moron to believe what you do, stevie. You have absolutely no place to talk about someone else's mental health. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,08:31    Your position doesn't even make testable claims, stevie. That alone proves that it isn't science. If you disagree then please tell us how to test the claim that the genetic code arose via blind and mindless processes. If you can't do that try the same for any bacterial flagellum. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,08:57    Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:26) Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:23) Joe, after Dover most of the people who had their hopes  on the intelligent design scam gave up. They knew the jig was up. 90% of the commenters at uncommon descent have left. Telic Thoughts shut down. If you go to the Discovery Institute’s list of ID blogs and sites you will see that most of them have quit. The people at the Discovery Institute keep going because they’re making money off it, and a handful of complete lunatics like Kairosfocus and Batshit77 keep going because they’re fucking lunatic tards with obsessive fixation. Batshit writes 10,000 words a day on this stuff. You think he’s mentally healthy? A tiny number of scientists or ex-scientists get off on laughing at the ID people, and we mostly know each other. I know Bob O’H, I know Acartia, I know who Retired Physicist is. I don’t know who JVL or Ed George are. But I wish they’d email me. Username here at gmail. LoL! Dover didn't do anything to ID. The evos lied and bluffed their way through the trial. The judge was an ignorant ass. ID is still the only scientifically viable explanation for our existence. And your side still has nothing but morons like you. It's very telling that this entire forum NEVER presents any evidence that would refute ID and support your own position. We’re not here to prove evolution to you Joe, you can go read textbooks or take classes if you want to know that stuff. We’re here to laugh at you. And it’s fun.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,09:00    By the way, if you want to feel sad, reach out to one of Philip’s relatives and talk to them about the effect his behavior has had on their family.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,09:15    Poor Joke is ronery again.   So very very ronery.         -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,09:19    Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:57) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:26) Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:23) Joe, after Dover most of the people who had their hopes  on the intelligent design scam gave up. They knew the jig was up. 90% of the commenters at uncommon descent have left. Telic Thoughts shut down. If you go to the Discovery Institute’s list of ID blogs and sites you will see that most of them have quit. The people at the Discovery Institute keep going because they’re making money off it, and a handful of complete lunatics like Kairosfocus and Batshit77 keep going because they’re fucking lunatic tards with obsessive fixation. Batshit writes 10,000 words a day on this stuff. You think he’s mentally healthy? A tiny number of scientists or ex-scientists get off on laughing at the ID people, and we mostly know each other. I know Bob O’H, I know Acartia, I know who Retired Physicist is. I don’t know who JVL or Ed George are. But I wish they’d email me. Username here at gmail. LoL! Dover didn't do anything to ID. The evos lied and bluffed their way through the trial. The judge was an ignorant ass. ID is still the only scientifically viable explanation for our existence. And your side still has nothing but morons like you. It's very telling that this entire forum NEVER presents any evidence that would refute ID and support your own position. We’re not here to prove evolution to you Joe, you can go read textbooks or take classes if you want to know that stuff. We’re here to laugh at you. And it’s fun. :p BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No one is debating mere evolution, you ignorant coward. Really, how fucking stupid are you? Losers like yourself pointing and laughing at others IS the entertainment, you ignorant ass. But thanks for proving that you don't know jack about science -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,09:21    Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,09:00) By the way, if you want to feel sad, reach out to one of Philip’s relatives and talk to them about the effect his behavior has had on their family. I am OK with the fact that you an yours are much sadder than Phil can ever be. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,09:28    LoL! Dover didn't do anything to ID. The evos lied and bluffed their way through the trial. The judge was an ignorant ass. ID is still the only scientifically viable explanation for our existence. And your side still has nothing but morons like you. It's very telling that this entire forum NEVER presents any evidence that would refute ID and support your own position. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,09:51    Keep playing your role in this Joe.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,09:54    Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,09:51) Keep playing your role in this Joe.   My role is to point out your ignorance an cowardice. And I am fulfilling that role. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,10:54    Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:11) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:00) OK so what is moar believable- Acartia and Ed George are the same person, OR Ed George follows Acartia around the internet, learning Acartia' MO and conversations? I don’t know, but I know Acartia and we’ve talked about this, and we don’t know who Ed is. But I am getting a laugh when Joe responds to every single comment by Ed George even though Ed never responds to him. A warning to Ed, be careful. Psychotic stalkers can be dangerous.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,11:04    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,10:54) Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:11) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:00) OK so what is moar believable- Acartia and Ed George are the same person, OR Ed George follows Acartia around the internet, learning Acartia' MO and conversations? I don’t know, but I know Acartia and we’ve talked about this, and we don’t know who Ed is. But I am getting a laugh when Joe responds to every single comment by Ed George even though Ed never responds to him. A warning to Ed, be careful. Psychotic stalkers can be dangerous. LoL! It makes me laugh, too. What is Ed going to respond with, exactly? I respond to Ed by exposing the fact he doesn't know what he is talking about. And I will continue to expose Ed as a liar, equivocating coward and poseur. And I understand why he doesn't respond. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,11:14    Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,11:04) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,10:54) Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:11)   Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:00) OK so what is moar believable- Acartia and Ed George are the same person, OR Ed George follows Acartia around the internet, learning Acartia' MO and conversations? I don’t know, but I know Acartia and we’ve talked about this, and we don’t know who Ed is. But I am getting a laugh when Joe responds to every single comment by Ed George even though Ed never responds to him. A warning to Ed, be careful. Psychotic stalkers can be dangerous. LoL! It makes me laugh, too. What is Ed going to respond with, exactly? I respond to Ed by exposing the fact he doesn't know what he is talking about. And I will continue to expose Ed as a liar, equivocating coward and poseur. And I understand why he doesn't respond. Could it be because he has sympathy for people like you who are mentally and emotionally challenged? Or maybe he simply doesn’t like homophobes.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,11:24    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,11:14) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,11:04) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,10:54)   Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:11)   Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:00) OK so what is moar believable- Acartia and Ed George are the same person, OR Ed George follows Acartia around the internet, learning Acartia' MO and conversations? I don’t know, but I know Acartia and we’ve talked about this, and we don’t know who Ed is. But I am getting a laugh when Joe responds to every single comment by Ed George even though Ed never responds to him. A warning to Ed, be careful. Psychotic stalkers can be dangerous. LoL! It makes me laugh, too. What is Ed going to respond with, exactly? I respond to Ed by exposing the fact he doesn't know what he is talking about. And I will continue to expose Ed as a liar, equivocating coward and poseur. And I understand why he doesn't respond. Could it be because he has sympathy for people like you who are mentally and emotionally challenged? Or maybe he simply doesn’t like homophobes. Your cowardly projections are duly noted. It is very telling that a mentally challenged person easily exposes Ed George as a liar, equivocating coward and poseur. And guess what? I do the same to you! -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,11:36    Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,10:08)                   AF+GAIN- I am more than ready, willing and able to put up $10,000 USD against ANT evoTARD in a debate on which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars. I see JoeG, the belligerent, bluffing, blubbering buffoon has returned. I wonder if the dickless moron JoeG can stop being such an ignorant loser and follow through on his offer? Or will JoeG just continue to confirm he's the fucking wimpy coward everyone knows he is?       Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ April 01 2020,17:12)         Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Mar. 05 2020,19:45)           Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 15 2019,07:15)                 Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 14 2019,20:34)                   Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,18:58)                         Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 14 2019,19:24)                         Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,10:08)                             Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 13 2019,22:54) Derp                                 Quote ET December 13, 2019 at 7:18 pm But it’s always better to have the evidence than the dance of lies. AF+GAIN- I am more than ready, willing and able to put up $10,000 USD against ANT evoTARD in a debate on which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars. Let's make it $20,000 and see if you will put your money where your mouth ass is. I pick the scientist you go up against and I pick the venue. We'll have to discuss who will judge. Really? So it won't be you? Too funny and very telling Really. You have said you would debate any scientist on numerous occasions, so what's your problem whether it's me or someone else? Very telling that you're already making excuses and chickening out. I am OK with it, dipshit. I am just making fun of YOUR ignorance and cowardice Since Joe has given his OK... It's taken a bit of time, but here we go with some preliminary groundwork: 1. I have procured 3 tentative venues for Joe to debate a scientist of my choosing, each of them in a college setting. Actual location and expense will depend on when we can make this happen. 2. I have a lawyer ready to draw up a contractural agreement and to act as at the legal custodian of the $20,000 wager from each party deposited into a secure account. I can deposit my $20,000 at anytime. 3. I've put some thought into how this can be judged and I suggest Joe and I each pick 4 people to act as judges. (I'd like to stipulate that the judges have a science degree or at minimum a college degree of some kind.) I suggest we allow the audience to account for a tie breaking vote in the event that becomes necessary. (Details on how to accomplish an audience vote yet to be worked out.) 4. I'm willing to let travel expenses for each of the judges be allocated through the lawyer from the $40,000 secured account. (My thinking here is even if each judge uses $1,000 for travel, I'm still going to be $12,000 richer.) 5. I would like to set the date for this to take place toward the end of May to allow time for details and contractural issues to be hammered out, and for promotion of the event to college students, who will not be charged admission. Next fall would be a 'fall' back time. Let's make it happen. Edited to add judge stipulation Well, as can be surmised given the current conditions, all 3 colleges are closed for the time being, with two unsure of when they will reopen to the general public. That said, the bet stands, awaiting Joe's response. We can draw up legal documents with the lawyer while we are awaiting on an open venue. In addition to debating "which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars", I'd also like to propose a second debate with Joe to take place the day after. The second debate would concern the cardinality of infinite sets. Though my final major was Mathematics, I have a professor keen on debating Joe about the subject after I pointed him to Joe's diatribe with JVL at UD. Let's put $10,000 on this one. Perhaps we can save expenses and use the same set of judges for both debates? Come on Joe, let's make it happen. -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,11:41    Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ June 16 2020,11:36) Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,10:08)                   AF+GAIN- I am more than ready, willing and able to put up $10,000 USD against ANT evoTARD in a debate on which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars. I see JoeG, the belligerent, bluffing, blubbering buffoon has returned. I wonder if the dickless moron JoeG can stop being such an ignorant loser and follow through on his offer? Or will JoeG just continue to confirm he's the fucking wimpy coward everyone knows he is?         Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ April 01 2020,17:12)         Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Mar. 05 2020,19:45)             Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 15 2019,07:15)                   Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 14 2019,20:34)                   Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,18:58)                         Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 14 2019,19:24)                           Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,10:08)                               Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 13 2019,22:54) Derp                                 Quote ET December 13, 2019 at 7:18 pm But it’s always better to have the evidence than the dance of lies. AF+GAIN- I am more than ready, willing and able to put up $10,000 USD against ANT evoTARD in a debate on which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars. Let's make it $20,000 and see if you will put your money where your mouth ass is. I pick the scientist you go up against and I pick the venue. We'll have to discuss who will judge. Really? So it won't be you? Too funny and very telling Really. You have said you would debate any scientist on numerous occasions, so what's your problem whether it's me or someone else? Very telling that you're already making excuses and chickening out. I am OK with it, dipshit. I am just making fun of YOUR ignorance and cowardice Since Joe has given his OK... It's taken a bit of time, but here we go with some preliminary groundwork: 1. I have procured 3 tentative venues for Joe to debate a scientist of my choosing, each of them in a college setting. Actual location and expense will depend on when we can make this happen. 2. I have a lawyer ready to draw up a contractural agreement and to act as at the legal custodian of the $20,000 wager from each party deposited into a secure account. I can deposit my $20,000 at anytime. 3. I've put some thought into how this can be judged and I suggest Joe and I each pick 4 people to act as judges. (I'd like to stipulate that the judges have a science degree or at minimum a college degree of some kind.) I suggest we allow the audience to account for a tie breaking vote in the event that becomes necessary. (Details on how to accomplish an audience vote yet to be worked out.) 4. I'm willing to let travel expenses for each of the judges be allocated through the lawyer from the $40,000 secured account. (My thinking here is even if each judge uses $1,000 for travel, I'm still going to be $12,000 richer.) 5. I would like to set the date for this to take place toward the end of May to allow time for details and contractural issues to be hammered out, and for promotion of the event to college students, who will not be charged admission. Next fall would be a 'fall' back time. Let's make it happen. Edited to add judge stipulation Well, as can be surmised given the current conditions, all 3 colleges are closed for the time being, with two unsure of when they will reopen to the general public. That said, the bet stands, awaiting Joe's response. We can draw up legal documents with the lawyer while we are awaiting on an open venue. In addition to debating "which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars", I'd also like to propose a second debate with Joe to take place the day after. The second debate would concern the cardinality of infinite sets. Though my final major was Mathematics, I have a professor keen on debating Joe about the subject after I pointed him to Joe's diatribe with JVL at UD. Let's put $10,000 on this one. Perhaps we can save expenses and use the same set of judges for both debates? Come on Joe, let's make it happen. You against me, Nympho. Ask your scientist to educate you. Or better yet, ask your scientist if he/ she has any idea how to test the claim that the genetic code and any bacterial flagellum arose via blind and mindless processes. If he/ she cannot then he/ she cannot win the debate. I dare you to do that and see what the response is. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,11:46    Draw up the documents. They must say it is the claims of Intelligent Design vs. the claims of evolution by means of blind, mindless and purposeless processes. Each must show how to test the claims of the respective positions. If Tony and his scientist had any credibility they would just shoot for the Nobel Prize by demonstrating what I ask. No one has been able to do so yet. So they would be the first. Then there is the 10 million dollar award for anyone who can demonstrate nature can produce coded systems, like the genetic code. You know I am going to bring those failures up in any debate. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,12:25    Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,11:46) Draw up the documents. They must say it is the claims of Intelligent Design vs. the claims of evolution by means of blind, mindless and purposeless processes. Each must show how to test the claims of the respective positions. If Tony and his scientist had any credibility they would just shoot for the Nobel Prize by demonstrating what I ask. No one has been able to do so yet. So they would be the first. Then there is the 10 million dollar award for anyone who can demonstrate nature can produce coded systems, like the genetic code. You know I am going to bring those failures up in any debate. Hey Joke, is retired marine biologist Sharon Mahoney going to help you with the debate preparation?       -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,13:01    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 16 2020,12:25) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,11:46) Draw up the documents. They must say it is the claims of Intelligent Design vs. the claims of evolution by means of blind, mindless and purposeless processes. Each must show how to test the claims of the respective positions. If Tony and his scientist had any credibility they would just shoot for the Nobel Prize by demonstrating what I ask. No one has been able to do so yet. So they would be the first. Then there is the 10 million dollar award for anyone who can demonstrate nature can produce coded systems, like the genetic code. You know I am going to bring those failures up in any debate. Hey Joke, is retired marine biologist Sharon Mahoney going to help you with the debate preparation?   :D   :D   :D We all know it will never be you who antes up and debates me. And, unlike the resident marine biologist here, I knew that a whale's fluke is a tail. That's right, you were also ignorant of that simple fact. Nice to see that you are still willfully ignorant with respect to the genetic code. Even Larry Moran says it's a real code in the same sense as Morse code -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,13:34    Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,13:16) It’s always great when Joe gives me a reason to post these. So you can prove that you are an equivocating coward? ID is NOT anti-evolution, you willfully ignorant asshole -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,13:36    Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,13:23) Interest in intelligent design is now down to just a handful of scammers and people with mental issues and personality disorders.    :D  :)  :p Yet ID is still the only scientifically viable explanation for our existence. And you are still a willfully ignorant and equivocating coward. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,14:06    Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,10:41)           Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ June 16 2020,11:36)           Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,10:08)                   AF+GAIN- I am more than ready, willing and able to put up $10,000 USD against ANT evoTARD in a debate on which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars. I see JoeG, the belligerent, bluffing, blubbering buffoon has returned. I wonder if the dickless moron JoeG can stop being such an ignorant loser and follow through on his offer? Or will JoeG just continue to confirm he's the fucking wimpy coward everyone knows he is?                   Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ April 01 2020,17:12)                     Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Mar. 05 2020,19:45)                       Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 15 2019,07:15)                             Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 14 2019,20:34)                               Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,18:58)                                     Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 14 2019,19:24)                                     Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,10:08)                                         Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 13 2019,22:54) Derp                                             Quote ET December 13, 2019 at 7:18 pm But it’s always better to have the evidence than the dance of lies. AF+GAIN- I am more than ready, willing and able to put up $10,000 USD against ANT evoTARD in a debate on which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars. Let's make it $20,000 and see if you will put your money where your mouth ass is. I pick the scientist you go up against and I pick the venue. We'll have to discuss who will judge. Really? So it won't be you? Too funny and very telling Really. You have said you would debate any scientist on numerous occasions, so what's your problem whether it's me or someone else? Very telling that you're already making excuses and chickening out. I am OK with it, dipshit. I am just making fun of YOUR ignorance and cowardice Since Joe has given his OK... It's taken a bit of time, but here we go with some preliminary groundwork: 1. I have procured 3 tentative venues for Joe to debate a scientist of my choosing, each of them in a college setting. Actual location and expense will depend on when we can make this happen. 2. I have a lawyer ready to draw up a contractural agreement and to act as at the legal custodian of the $20,000 wager from each party deposited into a secure account. I can deposit my $20,000 at anytime. 3. I've put some thought into how this can be judged and I suggest Joe and I each pick 4 people to act as judges. (I'd like to stipulate that the judges have a science degree or at minimum a college degree of some kind.) I suggest we allow the audience to account for a tie breaking vote in the event that becomes necessary. (Details on how to accomplish an audience vote yet to be worked out.) 4. I'm willing to let travel expenses for each of the judges be allocated through the lawyer from the $40,000 secured account. (My thinking here is even if each judge uses $1,000 for travel, I'm still going to be $12,000 richer.) 5. I would like to set the date for this to take place toward the end of May to allow time for details and contractural issues to be hammered out, and for promotion of the event to college students, who will not be charged admission. Next fall would be a 'fall' back time. Let's make it happen. Edited to add judge stipulation Well, as can be surmised given the current conditions, all 3 colleges are closed for the time being, with two unsure of when they will reopen to the general public. That said, the bet stands, awaiting Joe's response. We can draw up legal documents with the lawyer while we are awaiting on an open venue. In addition to debating "which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars", I'd also like to propose a second debate with Joe to take place the day after. The second debate would concern the cardinality of infinite sets. Though my final major was Mathematics, I have a professor keen on debating Joe about the subject after I pointed him to Joe's diatribe with JVL at UD. Let's put $10,000 on this one. Perhaps we can save expenses and use the same set of judges for both debates? Come on Joe, let's make it happen. You against me, Nympho. Ask your scientist to educate you. Or better yet, ask your scientist if he/ she has any idea how to test the claim that the genetic code and any bacterial flagellum arose via blind and mindless processes. If he/ she cannot then he/ she cannot win the debate. I dare you to do that and see what the response is. Nope. It's much simpler than that. I'm holding you to YOUR words on what the debate is to be about and who you were "OK with it" to be a debate opponent. You're simply confirming what a insignificant sniveling coward we know you to be by trying to renege on your own initial challenge and weaseling out of the debate by changing the subject and opponent. The debate is about "which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars."     Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,10:08)                   AF+GAIN- I am more than ready, willing and able to put up $10,000 USD against ANT evoTARD in a debate on which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars. For the purposes of drawing up legal documents, I assume the JoeG "side" is Intelligent Design, correct? I will state the opposing "side" to be Evolution. The wager you indicated you were OK with will be $20,000. The opponent will be a "evoTARD" scientist of my choosing as you indicated you are "OK with it."     Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 15 2019,07:15)                             Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 14 2019,20:34)                               Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 14 2019,18:58)                                     Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 14 2019,19:24)                     I pick the scientist you go up against and I pick the venue. Really? So it won't be you? Too funny and very telling Really. You have said you would debate any scientist on numerous occasions, so what's your problem whether it's me or someone else? Very telling that you're already making excuses and chickening out. I am OK with it, dipshit. Will JoeG make good on his challenge, or will we see more of JoeG cowardly running away from his own words? -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,14:08    Oh and Joe, you failed to respond to my secondary debate challenge: Quote In addition to debating "which side has the science and evidence and which side has the liars", I'd also like to propose a second debate with Joe to take place the day after. The second debate would concern the cardinality of infinite sets. Though my final major was Mathematics, I have a professor keen on debating Joe about the subject after I pointed him to Joe's diatribe with JVL at UD. Let's put $10,000 on this one. Perhaps we can save expenses and use the same set of judges for both debates? -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,14:52    Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,08:26) Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:23) Joe, after Dover most of the people who had their hopes  on the intelligent design scam gave up. They knew the jig was up. 90% of the commenters at uncommon descent have left. Telic Thoughts shut down. If you go to the Discovery Institute’s list of ID blogs and sites you will see that most of them have quit. The people at the Discovery Institute keep going because they’re making money off it, and a handful of complete lunatics like Kairosfocus and Batshit77 keep going because they’re fucking lunatic tards with obsessive fixation. Batshit writes 10,000 words a day on this stuff. You think he’s mentally healthy? A tiny number of scientists or ex-scientists get off on laughing at the ID people, and we mostly know each other. I know Bob O’H, I know Acartia, I know who Retired Physicist is. I don’t know who JVL or Ed George are. But I wish they’d email me. Username here at gmail. LoL! Dover didn't do anything to ID. The evos lied and bluffed their way through the trial. The judge was an ignorant ass. ID is still the only scientifically viable explanation for our existence. And your side still has nothing but morons like you. It's very telling that this entire forum NEVER presents any evidence that would refute ID and support your own position. I’m pretty sure that this entire forum was developed to laugh at some retard named Joe Gallien. My apologies to other retards.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,14:59    Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,11:24) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,11:14) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,11:04)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,10:54)   Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:11)     Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:00) OK so what is moar believable- Acartia and Ed George are the same person, OR Ed George follows Acartia around the internet, learning Acartia' MO and conversations? I don’t know, but I know Acartia and we’ve talked about this, and we don’t know who Ed is. But I am getting a laugh when Joe responds to every single comment by Ed George even though Ed never responds to him. A warning to Ed, be careful. Psychotic stalkers can be dangerous. LoL! It makes me laugh, too. What is Ed going to respond with, exactly? I respond to Ed by exposing the fact he doesn't know what he is talking about. And I will continue to expose Ed as a liar, equivocating coward and poseur. And I understand why he doesn't respond. Could it be because he has sympathy for people like you who are mentally and emotionally challenged? Or maybe he simply doesn’t like homophobes. Your cowardly projections are duly noted. It is very telling that a mentally challenged person easily exposes Ed George as a liar, equivocating coward and poseur. And guess what? I do the same to you! How is this a projection? I have no qualms about calling out the emotionally challenged and homophobes.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,15:20    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,14:52) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,08:26) Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:23) Joe, after Dover most of the people who had their hopes  on the intelligent design scam gave up. They knew the jig was up. 90% of the commenters at uncommon descent have left. Telic Thoughts shut down. If you go to the Discovery Institute’s list of ID blogs and sites you will see that most of them have quit. The people at the Discovery Institute keep going because they’re making money off it, and a handful of complete lunatics like Kairosfocus and Batshit77 keep going because they’re fucking lunatic tards with obsessive fixation. Batshit writes 10,000 words a day on this stuff. You think he’s mentally healthy? A tiny number of scientists or ex-scientists get off on laughing at the ID people, and we mostly know each other. I know Bob O’H, I know Acartia, I know who Retired Physicist is. I don’t know who JVL or Ed George are. But I wish they’d email me. Username here at gmail. LoL! Dover didn't do anything to ID. The evos lied and bluffed their way through the trial. The judge was an ignorant ass. ID is still the only scientifically viable explanation for our existence. And your side still has nothing but morons like you. It's very telling that this entire forum NEVER presents any evidence that would refute ID and support your own position. I’m pretty sure that this entire forum was developed to laugh at some retard named Joe Gallien. My apologies to other retards. And yet this entire thread proves that you and yours are nothing but cowards, liars and equivocators. Nice own goal -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 16 2020,15:21    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,14:59) Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,11:24) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,11:14)   Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,11:04)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 16 2020,10:54)     Quote (stevestory @ June 16 2020,08:11)     Quote (Joe G @ June 16 2020,09:00) OK so what is moar believable- Acartia and Ed George are the same person, OR Ed George follows Acartia around the internet, learning Acartia' MO and conversations? I don’t know, but I know Acartia and we’ve talked about this, and we don’t know who Ed is. But I am getting a laugh when Joe responds to every single comment by Ed George even though Ed never responds to him. A warning to Ed, be careful. Psychotic stalkers can be dangerous. LoL! It makes me laugh, too. What is Ed going to respond with, exactly? I respond to Ed by exposing the fact he doesn't know what he is talking about. And I will continue to expose Ed as a liar, equivocating coward and poseur. And I understand why he doesn't respond. Could it be because he has sympathy for people like you who are mentally and emotionally challenged? Or maybe he simply doesn’t like homophobes. Your cowardly projections are duly noted. It is very telling that a mentally challenged person easily exposes Ed George as a liar, equivocating coward and poseur. And guess what? I do the same to you! How is this a projection? I have no qualms about calling out the emotionally challenged and homophobes. It's projection because you are a mentally and emotionally challenged homophobe. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

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