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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,15:21   

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Floyd's beef seems to be with 'naturalism'. That thing he puts his faith in every day, every second.... is wrong.

Floyd, have you tried teleporting to work and levitating hom


HAR HAR VERY FUNNY HOMO.  DON'T TELL ME YOU HAVEN'T DONE A THOTT EXPERIMENT.  I DO ONE EVERY TIME BILL TELLS ME WHAT I HAVE TO DO TO DENNIS SO I CAN COME BACK TO UD.  THATS WHAT WE CALL MATERIALISM FAIL AROUND HERE.  I KILL ME SOMETIMES

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
creeky belly



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,16:15   

Moved from FL thread:
 
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Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 17 2009,10:07)
No.  No sir.   These kinds of public pronouncements are found only within--and are inherently part of-- EVOLUTION.  Evolution is incompatible with Christianity.

This is contradicted by the vast history of science. You don't think that this argument ever came up in physics and astronomy, as the earth being the privileged, center of the universe created 6000 years ago?

Yawn. Keep trying.

  
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,16:41   

Quote (creeky belly @ Sep. 17 2009,17:15)
Moved from FL thread:
 
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Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 17 2009,10:07)
No.  No sir.   These kinds of public pronouncements are found only within--and are inherently part of-- EVOLUTION.  Evolution is incompatible with Christianity.

This is contradicted by the vast history of science. You don't think that this argument ever came up in physics and astronomy, as the earth being the privileged, center of the universe created 6000 years ago?

Yawn. Keep trying.

Wasn't that the problem with Galileo?
The moon wasn't perfect, and Jupiter had moons?

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That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

Frequency is just the plural of wavelength...
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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,18:03   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 17 2009,09:49)
Modern, liberal, enlightened, live and let live type thing. It's a European habit,

HA HA THIS IS YOU AND RITCHARD:



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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,18:13   

Is anyone at all even slightly surprised at the course of this "discussion"?

No?

Didn't think so.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,18:18   

Quote (Dale_Husband @ Sep. 17 2009,15:55)
When you read the Sermon on the Mount, does it say anything against evolution? Not that I've ever seen. Isn't following its teachings and other statements by Jesus what being a Christian is all about? Isn't being a Christian about following Jesus, not following some particular interpretation that assumes the Genesis creation myths are literally true?


Not any more, apparently. Jesus has little or nothing to do with Floyd's version of Christianity. Now it's all about imposing your will on other people. Control, it's all about control. If you can convince people to bend their most natural drives to your will for no apparent rational reason, convincing them to hand you money and power is a minor thing.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,19:17   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 18 2009,00:13)
Is anyone at all even slightly surprised at the course of this "discussion"?

No?

Didn't think so.

I'm appalled. Shocked even. Shocked and appalled. Appalled and shocked.

After all absolutely zero content has been necessary and thus we've all had a lovely time making nationalist dick jokes. I expected big things. I was going to be saved. Evolution was going to be disproved. Dogs and cats, living together, mass hysteria.

Instead we've got a weak, foamy broth of argument from consequences and quote mining. Frankly, I'm disappointed. When's the good stuff going to come?

Louis

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,19:39   

Quote (Louis @ Sep. 17 2009,19:17)
Instead we've got a weak, foamy broth of argument from consequences and quote mining. Frankly, I'm disappointed. When's the good stuff going to come?

Louis

SHHHH!

We will all be promoted to henchmen soon - and all the good stuff will belong to us!



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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2009,21:05   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 17 2009,18:13)
Is anyone at all even slightly surprised at the course of this "discussion"?

No?

Didn't think so.

Actually I'm surprised.  I set expectations at zero, and FL limbos right under them.

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George



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,02:43   

Amadan is a gosh darn hypocrite who's going to burn in Hell-Fire for his sins!  How can he be posting here in SuPPoRt of evilution when he doesn't even understand it himself!!1!!1!  Proof!? You want proof he doesn't understand evilution?  I'll give you proof!!1!

 
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IDA would be marketing Ireland as the innovation island -- "like Einstein explaining his theory of evolution".

Mary Coughlan, Tanaiste of Ireland, 17th September, 2009

This published quote demonstrates that Irish people do not understand evilution.  

Amadan is Irish.  

Therefore Christianity and Evolution are incompatible. QED.


</FL>

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,05:00   

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Instead we've got a weak, foamy broth of argument from consequences and quote mining. Frankly, I'm disappointed. When's the good stuff going to come?


What? Craving for more, isn't the good stuff at UcD sufficient for you?

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,05:38   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 17 2009,11:11)
Floyd,
If reality is at odds with your interpretation of a book, then at least one of these is true:

Reality is wrong

Your interpretation is wrong
Your book is wrong


:D  

POTW!

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,09:49   

Floyd's just caught in arguing to consequences. He's not prepared to consider his interpretation of Christianity, or Christianity itself is wrong. If he says "Hmmmm steak" enough, he can eat a shit sandwich.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,10:29   

And now we're in some bizarre denial stage where he wont recognize arguments he doesn't like, but keeps churning out soundbites. Is this what indoctrination does to you?

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"Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield
"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
nmgirl



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,10:35   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 17 2009,18:18)
Not any more, apparently. Jesus has little or nothing to do with Floyd's version of Christianity. Now it's all about imposing your will on other people. Control, it's all about control. If you can convince people to bend their most natural drives to your will for no apparent rational reason, convincing them to hand you money and power is a minor thing.

Then Floyd must be a catholic.

  
Stanton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,11:02   

Quote (nmgirl @ Sep. 18 2009,10:35)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 17 2009,18:18)
Not any more, apparently. Jesus has little or nothing to do with Floyd's version of Christianity. Now it's all about imposing your will on other people. Control, it's all about control. If you can convince people to bend their most natural drives to your will for no apparent rational reason, convincing them to hand you money and power is a minor thing.

Then Floyd must be a catholic.

Then he's a very peculiar Catholic if he refuses to admit that the last 2 Popes issued very clear statements about how evolution was perfectly compatible with being a Christian.

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,11:30   

Quote (George @ Sep. 18 2009,02:43)
Amadan is a gosh darn hypocrite who's going to burn in Hell-Fire for his sins!


Nope. I have been caressed by His farinaceous tendrils and am Saved:



I am, however, a hypocrite. You should not, though. That would be very wrong.

   
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How can he be posting here in SuPPoRt of evilution when he doesn't even understand it himself!!1!!1!  Proof!? You want proof he doesn't understand evilution?  I'll give you proof!!1!

         
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IDA would be marketing Ireland as the innovation island -- "like Einstein explaining his theory of evolution".

Mary Coughlan, Tanaiste of Ireland, 17th September, 2009

This published quote demonstrates that Irish people do not understand evilution.  

Amadan is Irish.  

Therefore Christianity and Evolution are incompatible. QED.


</FL>


To quote another eminent compatriot, Get in the Fookin sack

Mary Coughlan is a prize example of the defects that are foundational to our dear democracy: a social worker promoted beyond her ability in reward for loyalty and political connection. She's as thick as is compatible with respiration and personal hygiene.

In mitigation, I must point out that she can swear like a sailor with a toothache.

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,11:45   

Another one for the ATBC Quotemine Library:
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 17 2009,17:17)
We've all had a lovely time making nationalist dick jokes. I expected big things.


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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,14:22   

I suspect Floyd is impervious to correction.


edit to correct!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,15:11   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 18 2009,15:22)
I suspect Floyd is impervious to correction.


edit to correct!

Floyd knows he has the Truth™, so no need to be corrected.

As has been pointed out, he isn't here to debate.  Just here to preach.
And he's not really here to preach to the heathen.  He's just trying to warn the wavering Christians about the dangers of asking too many questions.

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ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,18:28   

Quote (ppb @ Sep. 18 2009,16:11)
And he's not really here to preach to the heathen.  He's just trying to warn the wavering Christians about the dangers of asking too many questions.

Thus proving my point:

 
Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 18 2009,18:41)
 Doesn't mean necessarily that you're not a Christian, but goodness, look at that danger and damage, that potential to erode and corrode important beliefs---and look at the people who are no longer holding on to the Christian faith you're holding on to, people for whom the damage is already done.

And that's happening right now.


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"[A scientific theory] describes Nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept Nature as She is - absurd."
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Reed



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2009,18:55   

Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 18 2009,15:56)

How about you, Nmgirl?  I think you said that you were a Christian.   Would you be willing to share your personal theology so we can examine and see if there's "no discernable dissonance" between evolution and Christianity within your chosen theology?  

So apparently "compatible" means "beliefs that can be held with no discernible dissonance"
       
Quote (FloydLee @ 4004,BC)
(I do believe in the Bible's account of a literal 6-day creation and a global Noahic Flood, however.)

LOL, game over.

  
bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,02:50   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Sep. 17 2009,02:42)
       
Quote (bfish @ Sep. 17 2009,00:29)
...Baseball defense involves not only catching balls in the air, but also catching ground balls, and throwing, neither of which I saw on the cricket highlight video. Perhaps they are part of cricket as well...

They are a part but not called catches. In cricket a "catch" is specifically preventing the ball from hitting the ground after the batsman has hit it. This puts the batter out. That is Caught out.

Catching the ball on the ground can be referred to as a scoop. If this is followed by a throw which eventually hits the wicket, knocking the bails off while the batsman is outside the crease, the batsman is out. That is run/ran out.

A batsman can also be bowled out. If the bowler hits the batsman's wicket with the ball, knocking the bails off, the batsman is out. If the batsman's leg gets hit by the bowled ball and the umpire thinks that the ball would have hit the wicket if the batsman's leg had not got in the way, the batsman is out. These are bowled out. The former is clean bowled, the latter is bowled out leg before wicket (or LBW).


Thanks for the instruction. You'd think I'd remember some of that, given that I have played a little cricket myself, six years ago, in a strange and wondrous land called New South Wales. We had half a dozen Americans, half a dozen Brits, and half a dozen Aussies. The star player of the bunch turned out to be my wife, much to her surprise. She once bowled out three batsman in succession, and also casually plucked a lined smash out of the air one-handed, as coolly as if she was pulling a book off a shelf in the library.

There is even documented footage of one of these international test matches:



I'm one of the gents in the picture. I'm wearing shorts.

This battle took place near Washpool National Park. You might see some little mounds scattered about the field. Those would be the cow patties. The area had been used to hold cattle a bit before our visit. As you can see, we had only rudimentary equipment for this round. We later purchased a junior cricket set - which I still have in my closet - at a roadside shop. The bat is only half the standard length, but the Brits assured us that that is as big as they get in Australia.

Oh, and, um....... therefore evolution is compatible with cricket.

Edited a few times to get the image right, and correct my writing.

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,03:26   

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Oh, and, um....... therefore evolution is compatible with cricket.


Contingent on resolution of the issue of Irreducible Complexity.

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bfish



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,03:31   

Quote (Quack @ Sep. 19 2009,01:26)
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Oh, and, um....... therefore evolution is compatible with cricket.


Contingent on resolution of the issue of Irreducible Complexity.

Take out the cow patties, and the system still works.

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,03:44   

The only true cricket is played by the Maori (they say so);

"Trobriand cricket: An ingenious response to colonialism"

If you haven't seen it, you haven't seen cricket.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,05:02   

FL
It seems to me that you could have an endless conversation about your chosen topic. The matters in question are artifacts of humanities ability to abstract away from the here and now, physical reality, and as such there will never be an end to it as it's all opinion. Mostly opinon on your side, sure. But it's obvious that you won't be changing yours.

So, given that, why don't we start up another topic? One where the physical evidence can be examined directly and one that mostly removes "opinion" from the equation?

Sure, your lot claim that conclusions drawn from evidence depend on your viewpoint but if we don't see any evidence for a global flood we simply don't see any evidence for a global flood. There's no difference of opinion there is there?

You've said you believe in a global Noahic flood so why don't we talk about they physical evidence for that?

Where did the water come from?
Where did the water go?
What salinity was the water?
How did the saltwater/freshwater sea life survive such a mixing?
How did the Koala get to Australia from where the Ark landed?

etc etc.

You believe the earth is only 6000 years old? And that all but 8 people died in the flood?

What I've always found interesting there is that

A) Your god gets pissed off
B) Your god kills everybody but 8 people
C) Those 8 people are very clear on that
D) Those 8 people after the flood populate the rest of the world
E) The descendants of those 8 people go on to found mutiple religions, worshipping all sorts of gods despite the fact that only a few generations ago the "real" god killed everybody on the planet bar 8.

You'd have thought that people would have remembered such an event? And not gone off and invented other religions? That's a strong message right there not to mess around with other religions. Killing everybody on the planet.

If you really do think the world is only 6000 years old then where did the people come from that built the pyramids?

I don't even know why I'm bothering typing all this anyway. It's AFDave all over again. Oh, that's right, I can type fast :)

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,05:08   

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Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 17 2009,18:18)
Not any more, apparently. Jesus has little or nothing to do with Floyd's version of Christianity. Now it's all about imposing your will on other people. Control, it's all about control. If you can convince people to bend their most natural drives to your will for no apparent rational reason, convincing them to hand you money and power is a minor thing.

Then Floyd must be a catholic.

Baptist, more likely.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
1of63



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,05:36   

Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 17 2009,19:39)
SHHHH!

We will all be promoted to henchmen soon - and all the good stuff will belong to us!

Great!  Bring it on!  I can hench as good as the next man

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1of63



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,05:45   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 19 2009,03:44)
The only true cricket is played by the Maori (they say so);

"Trobriand cricket: An ingenious response to colonialism"

If you haven't seen it, you haven't seen cricket.

The only thing the Maori play well is the manly game of Rugby, which is basically American Football without the nancy-boy armour.

The only thing the Aussies play well is their own version of football, which is basically an open brawl with a ball in there somewhere as an excuse to call it a sport.

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