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Posted: Aug. 09 2006,10:34

Flint:

What do you think about the new study which claims Black-White IQ gap has decreased over the last thirty years? One big problem is the the IQ gap seems to widen as Blacks get older (see Figure 3 and the text: from 12 to 15, the Black IQ shrinks from 90.5 to 88.8, and by 24, it's down to 84.5). This is consistent with other nations. For example, the British racial gap expands from .24 to .77 standard deviations when comparing 7 to 15 year olds. This trend has also been observed in adoption research and Head Start follow up reports: early gains are practically erased by 15. What's disturbing about these observations is that the racists claim that Blacks develop earlier than whites, and that the IQ gap should therefore widen over time. Now I would expect some widening during early adolescence, but then the gap should close again as the individuals begin to slough off their early environmental influences. This, apparently, doesn't happen.

Yet the gap has shrunk by 5 points across all age groups.

Should we be optimistic?

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Posted: Aug. 12 2006,09:52

This might be a good time to explain Flint's objection to my model. He argues that I use the same data to generate and test my ideas, and this suggests that I have an unsupported hypothesis at best. Furthermore, there's no objective metric to measure cultural distance, and even if there were it would not result in the same pattern of accepted or excluded nations.

Of course, this ignores that we can measure a nation's contributions to science and literature by tallying the number of cross-national citations their output inspires, and that economic/political analysis can track a country's commitment to education, capital growth, and democracy. As the British say, the proof really is in the pudding, as dysfunctional cultures exhibit high crime/ HIV infection rates, and low technology and economic achievement. These nations need help, just not the type that immigration provides. Furthermore, we can track a nation's improvements , and upgrade the immigration status of their citizens accordingly. Until then, free trade, temporary access to our colleges, and foreign aid are more efficient, and provide an incentive to improve.

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Posted: Oct. 04 2006,09:01

I see that Shemp n Hughie have put their time to ill use....now it's time to clean Arfin's clock:

From The Book:

p.20, Prologue: Yali's Question:

"My perspective on this controversy [IQ differences] comes from 33 years of working with New Guineans in their own intact societies. From the very beginning of my work with New Guineans, they impressed me as being on the average more intelligent, more alert, more expressive, and more interested in things and people around them than the average European or American is." [He then talks about their superiority in forming a "mental map of unfamiliar surroundings", while blaming their failures elsewhere on a lack of schooling].

He spends the next paragraphs discussing why New Guineans are smarter than Europeans:

1) Europeans lived in densely populated cities that bred epidemic diseases that didn't discriminate between the intelligent and everyone else;

2) New Guinean tribesmen, on the other hand, had to worry about tribal warfare, crime, and accidents, which selected for a higher IQ.

3) He then brings up Westerner's reliance on passive entertainment such as television, which "contributes a non-genetic component to the superior average mental function displayed by New Guineans". He continues in the very next sentence:
"That is, in mental ability New Guineans are probably genetically superior to Westerners, and they surely are superior in escaping the devastating developmental disadvantages under which most children in industrialized societies now grow up."

Now I know that "Europe" and "America" do not equal "white people", but given that he's talking about the dysgenic impact of epidemic diseases throughout these regions's histories, he can't be referring to the relatively recent nonwhite immigrants, and since he spends a lot of time defending Middle and South Americans, he's probably not referring to Amerindians either (especially since Northern Amerindians didn't live in crowded cities). That leaves You-Know-Who.

Still feelin' smug, Arfin?

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Posted: Oct. 04 2006,09:08

Hi, everyone.

This thread is for the Diamond debate. Notice that this thread has already been contaminated by my various thoughtcrimes, so it's not as if I'm corrupting the morals of delicate Panda's Thumbers by bumping it. Louis and Duff Man, here's where you want to respond to the charges in the above post, or discuss racial issues. Fire away.

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Posted: Oct. 04 2006,09:33

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Oct. 04 2006,14:08)

Hi, everyone.

This thread is for the Diamond debate. Notice that this thread has already been contaminated by my various thoughtcrimes, so it's not as if I'm corrupting the morals of delicate Panda's Thumbers by bumping it. Louis and Duff Man, here's where you want to respond to the charges in the above post, or discuss racial issues. Fire away.

I just do not understand the point of this. From experience, Black/White makes no difference in mental ability.
Do you know different?

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Posted: Oct. 04 2006,09:55

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I just do not understand the point of this. From experience, Black/White makes no difference in mental ability.
Do you know different?

No, I don't believe that the evidence indicates a genetic difference in mental abilities among various races....but I do think that:

1) Male/female intelligence is distributed differently (men are more likely to be brilliant and retarded)

2) This issue is worth investigating dispassionately, as many government programs/negative attitudes toward whites are based on assuming that all differences in performance are caused exclusively by white racism (I believe that bad cultures cause the difference, but this isn't a fact either)

3) Diamond has clearly expressed racist views.

I'm trying to keep the Christianity & the West thread on topic.

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