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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,09:52   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,09:46)
[quote=The whole truth,Oct. 23 2015,08:09][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 23 2015,03:49][quote=Wesley R. Elsberry,Oct. 23 2015,05:25]
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Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 21 2015,15:37)
 
Modus tollens allows one to establish the falsity of a proposition without any need for establishing that some other proposition is true. If you indeed were previously acquainted with the concept, that should have prevented you from asserting the ridiculous statement, "If you think I'm wrong, show me your replacement since you cannot claim that 2+4 = 10 is wrong if you don't know 2+4 = 6 is right."

Reemember that anyone can make any logical fallacies. Anyone can make logic and claim that it is logic. For me, I rely on logic if I could test it since reality is there for us to test.

Thus, when I claimed that so that X could exist, we need intelligence (my discovery), I meant it with experiment.
Thus, when somebody said that I am wrong, then, give me the replacement for my new discovery so that I could test it.

If not, shut up..

That is simple and we need to make it simple since many people are dying everyday...

"That is simple and we need to make it simple since many people are dying everyday..."

Edgar, will you explain why you brought up people dying and how that pertains to your 'theory'? Are you claiming that your 'theory' would save lives, or what?

Yes. Intelligence is for life, survival, existence and success. If we use intelligence, we can help many people to live happily and know their own destinies.

Thus, if you don't support and spread my new discoveries, you are endangering the whole humanity.

Assertion with no evidence to back it up.

You demonstrably know nothing about intelligence, in any of its various forms.

You know nothing about what would or could improve the lives of the current or future populations of this, or any other, planet.

You have run away from all the arguments that show your work to be dishonest, incoherent, contradictory, and flat out unsupported.
Thus, you are a dishonest coward.
(note the correct use of the word 'thus', in stark contrast to your constant misuse of the term)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,09:53   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,09:47)
[quote=KevinB,Oct. 23 2015,11:29]
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If MrID and MrGG were to follow NOMAD's example and self-destruct on error, this board would be a much quieter place.

You have no clue about the real intelligence, thus, you must shut up!

Does not follow.
Asserted without evidence or rational support.

Everything you have posted is incorrect.
Including the blatantly false assertion that the only way to show that an idea or judgement is incorrect is to present 'the correct one'.
That's not only not how it works, there's no reason to suppose it should or could work that way.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,09:54   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,09:48)
[quote=N.Wells,Oct. 23 2015,06:36][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 22 2015,23:46]  [quote=dazz,Oct. 21 2015,16:09]  
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 21 2015,22:42)
 
I gave you math: your rejecting it does not make it non-mathematical.

Your math is clearly demented, as is your categorization scheme.

Where is the math that you are talking about?

What is the difference between instinct to natural process? How can I calculate it? what is the range?

Confused, incoherent, and erroneous in every respect.
As per usual.

You lose.  Losers never win, according to you.
Thus, you should stop trying.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,09:55   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,09:50)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,10:08)
MrDS, you seem to be focused on mathematics for some reason, as a mathematician I will enlighten you a few things about it.

You seem to think it is some sort of decider for anything which it isn't. Mathematics is the study of logical structures, it does not deal with reality what so ever in it's pursuit of truth. Mathematical truth statements are not the same as scientific ones.

Because of this disconnect there is an important component between sciences that use mathematical TOOLS and the acctual science, THEY must translate reality to that of mathematics, make equivocations between the reality, our measurements and things of it with those of mathematical objects.

This goes first at the begining where you start using the mathematical tools (arithmetic is the lowest most pathetic form of mathematics and can hardly be called it) and the end when a result has been acquired at which you must translate it back to reality.

If your translation and assumptions at the begining are faulty/false, then it doesn't matter how many of the mathematical tools you use, the answer at the end is fundamentally flawed and wrong because you fucked it up at the beginning. The result you get is ONLY as good as the initial conditions, as with anything in logic.

All dogs are blue
Fido is a dog
Ergo Fido is blue

The conclusion is valid but unsound because "All dogs are blue" is simply wrong, same goes for your "mathematics", when you try to use probabililties beyond the range of 0 to 1, you are simply full of shit. Definitionally it cannot be outside that range and there are good mathematical jsutifications for it.

Learn some things.

Yes, not all logic and math deal with reality that is why I rely too much on experiment than peer-reviews and others.

Thus, if you think I'm wrong, just give me your replacement and let us compare. IF NOT, SHUT UP and support me.

Not how it works.
As already proven.

You're running away from the argument, Edgar.
As always.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,09:57   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,08:50)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,10:08)
MrDS, you seem to be focused on mathematics for some reason, as a mathematician I will enlighten you a few things about it.

You seem to think it is some sort of decider for anything which it isn't. Mathematics is the study of logical structures, it does not deal with reality what so ever in it's pursuit of truth. Mathematical truth statements are not the same as scientific ones.

Because of this disconnect there is an important component between sciences that use mathematical TOOLS and the acctual science, THEY must translate reality to that of mathematics, make equivocations between the reality, our measurements and things of it with those of mathematical objects.

This goes first at the begining where you start using the mathematical tools (arithmetic is the lowest most pathetic form of mathematics and can hardly be called it) and the end when a result has been acquired at which you must translate it back to reality.

If your translation and assumptions at the begining are faulty/false, then it doesn't matter how many of the mathematical tools you use, the answer at the end is fundamentally flawed and wrong because you fucked it up at the beginning. The result you get is ONLY as good as the initial conditions, as with anything in logic.

All dogs are blue
Fido is a dog
Ergo Fido is blue

The conclusion is valid but unsound because "All dogs are blue" is simply wrong, same goes for your "mathematics", when you try to use probabililties beyond the range of 0 to 1, you are simply full of shit. Definitionally it cannot be outside that range and there are good mathematical jsutifications for it.

Learn some things.

Yes, not all logic and math deal with reality that is why I rely too much on experiment than peer-reviews and others.

Thus, if you think I'm wrong, just give me your replacement and let us compare. IF NOT, SHUT UP and support me.

That is fallacious reasoning, I don't need to come with a replacement to demonstrate you are wrong which I have on multiple occassions.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,09:58   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,09:53)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,09:18)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 22 2015,23:27)
 
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 21 2015,21:53)
Hey Poe! I notice that you're running away from the challange!

I don't run. I am just busy since I have a lot of things to do. Now, I'm writing again another new book titled, "Scientifically, God Exists"...

You have no science but religion only.

I have cited peer reviewed research, you have not. Ergo by definition I have provided scientific research, nad science, and you have not. This is definitionally so.

But I had proven and shown that peer-reviewers were dumb! What would you do?

Thus, you have no science!

No, you have merely asserted it.

You have not proven anything about anything.
You have not shown that any peer reviewer, presumably of your own work, was wrong.
Here's a free hint for the hard-of-thinking (that would be you, Edgar) -- disagreement with your assertions is neither evidence nor proof that someone is wrong.
We've already proven you wrong.  Decisively.
One need not know that 2 + 4 = 6 to show that 2 + 4 does not equal 10 (in decimal notation).
We've also shown that 2 + 4 = 10 is valid and correct in base 6 notation.

You lose.

Thus (used properly as opposed to your usage), you have no science.
In point of fact, you have no clue.  At all.

Stop running from the argument.  Man up and admit you've been defeated.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,10:00   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,08:53)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,09:18)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 22 2015,23:27)
 
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 21 2015,21:53)
Hey Poe! I notice that you're running away from the challange!

I don't run. I am just busy since I have a lot of things to do. Now, I'm writing again another new book titled, "Scientifically, God Exists"...

You have no science but religion only.

I have cited peer reviewed research, you have not. Ergo by definition I have provided scientific research, nad science, and you have not. This is definitionally so.

But I had proven and shown that peer-reviewers were dumb! What would you do?

Thus, you have no science!

No, you assert it because they rejected your paper and quite fraknly. I HAVE readen your garbage and if I was a peer reviewer I'd reject it instantly, not because of the content but because it's written in a manner as if a 7 year old was the author. It's logically incoherent with little to no substance and lots of empty assertions.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,13:06   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 24 2015,10:00)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,08:53)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,09:18)
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 22 2015,23:27)
 
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 21 2015,21:53)
Hey Poe! I notice that you're running away from the challange!

I don't run. I am just busy since I have a lot of things to do. Now, I'm writing again another new book titled, "Scientifically, God Exists"...

You have no science but religion only.

I have cited peer reviewed research, you have not. Ergo by definition I have provided scientific research, nad science, and you have not. This is definitionally so.

But I had proven and shown that peer-reviewers were dumb! What would you do?

Thus, you have no science!

No, you assert it because they rejected your paper and quite fraknly. I HAVE readen your garbage and if I was a peer reviewer I'd reject it instantly, not because of the content but because it's written in a manner as if a 7 year old was the author. It's logically incoherent with little to no substance and lots of empty assertions.

You were the one who said that the contents of my science books were not bad. Yes, I have science and you have nothing.

I am a free-lance scientist and I don't receive taxes and funds/grants. If I did, you could have the best grammars that you needed. But bad grammars could be fixed, bad science like yours could not.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,13:07   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 24 2015,09:57)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,08:50)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,10:08)
MrDS, you seem to be focused on mathematics for some reason, as a mathematician I will enlighten you a few things about it.

You seem to think it is some sort of decider for anything which it isn't. Mathematics is the study of logical structures, it does not deal with reality what so ever in it's pursuit of truth. Mathematical truth statements are not the same as scientific ones.

Because of this disconnect there is an important component between sciences that use mathematical TOOLS and the acctual science, THEY must translate reality to that of mathematics, make equivocations between the reality, our measurements and things of it with those of mathematical objects.

This goes first at the begining where you start using the mathematical tools (arithmetic is the lowest most pathetic form of mathematics and can hardly be called it) and the end when a result has been acquired at which you must translate it back to reality.

If your translation and assumptions at the begining are faulty/false, then it doesn't matter how many of the mathematical tools you use, the answer at the end is fundamentally flawed and wrong because you fucked it up at the beginning. The result you get is ONLY as good as the initial conditions, as with anything in logic.

All dogs are blue
Fido is a dog
Ergo Fido is blue

The conclusion is valid but unsound because "All dogs are blue" is simply wrong, same goes for your "mathematics", when you try to use probabililties beyond the range of 0 to 1, you are simply full of shit. Definitionally it cannot be outside that range and there are good mathematical jsutifications for it.

Learn some things.

Yes, not all logic and math deal with reality that is why I rely too much on experiment than peer-reviews and others.

Thus, if you think I'm wrong, just give me your replacement and let us compare. IF NOT, SHUT UP and support me.

That is fallacious reasoning, I don't need to come with a replacement to demonstrate you are wrong which I have on multiple occassions.

How do you know I'm wrong if you don't know what is right? If you know what is right/correct, then, present here your replacement for real and universal intelligence. Let us compare.

If not, you are telling a lie! SHUT UP or PUT UP!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,13:22   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,14:06)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 24 2015,10:00)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,08:53)
 
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,09:18)
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 22 2015,23:27)
   
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 21 2015,21:53)
Hey Poe! I notice that you're running away from the challange!

I don't run. I am just busy since I have a lot of things to do. Now, I'm writing again another new book titled, "Scientifically, God Exists"...

You have no science but religion only.

I have cited peer reviewed research, you have not. Ergo by definition I have provided scientific research, nad science, and you have not. This is definitionally so.

But I had proven and shown that peer-reviewers were dumb! What would you do?

Thus, you have no science!

No, you assert it because they rejected your paper and quite fraknly. I HAVE readen your garbage and if I was a peer reviewer I'd reject it instantly, not because of the content but because it's written in a manner as if a 7 year old was the author. It's logically incoherent with little to no substance and lots of empty assertions.

You were the one who said that the contents of my science books were not bad. Yes, I have science and you have nothing.

I am a free-lance scientist and I don't receive taxes and funds/grants. If I did, you could have the best grammars that you needed. But bad grammars could be fixed, bad science like yours could not.

Still more assertions made without support.

Hardly compelling, entirely unconvincing.

When you are literally the only one who thinks you 'have' science, it is a good clue you are wrong.

Further, you continue to assert, without evidence or support, that there are flaws in 'bad science'.  You have yet to identify what you mean by 'bad' science, what makes it 'bad', and how your notions improve matters.

You keep asserting things with zero support but your ego.
No matter how big an ego it is, and it appears to be monstrous huge, it cannot support mere assertions made to others.

Give it up, you've lost.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,13:28   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,14:07)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 24 2015,09:57)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,08:50)
 
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,10:08)
MrDS, you seem to be focused on mathematics for some reason, as a mathematician I will enlighten you a few things about it.

You seem to think it is some sort of decider for anything which it isn't. Mathematics is the study of logical structures, it does not deal with reality what so ever in it's pursuit of truth. Mathematical truth statements are not the same as scientific ones.

Because of this disconnect there is an important component between sciences that use mathematical TOOLS and the acctual science, THEY must translate reality to that of mathematics, make equivocations between the reality, our measurements and things of it with those of mathematical objects.

This goes first at the begining where you start using the mathematical tools (arithmetic is the lowest most pathetic form of mathematics and can hardly be called it) and the end when a result has been acquired at which you must translate it back to reality.

If your translation and assumptions at the begining are faulty/false, then it doesn't matter how many of the mathematical tools you use, the answer at the end is fundamentally flawed and wrong because you fucked it up at the beginning. The result you get is ONLY as good as the initial conditions, as with anything in logic.

All dogs are blue
Fido is a dog
Ergo Fido is blue

The conclusion is valid but unsound because "All dogs are blue" is simply wrong, same goes for your "mathematics", when you try to use probabililties beyond the range of 0 to 1, you are simply full of shit. Definitionally it cannot be outside that range and there are good mathematical jsutifications for it.

Learn some things.

Yes, not all logic and math deal with reality that is why I rely too much on experiment than peer-reviews and others.

Thus, if you think I'm wrong, just give me your replacement and let us compare. IF NOT, SHUT UP and support me.

That is fallacious reasoning, I don't need to come with a replacement to demonstrate you are wrong which I have on multiple occassions.

How do you know I'm wrong if you don't know what is right? If you know what is right/correct, then, present here your replacement for real and universal intelligence. Let us compare.

If not, you are telling a lie! SHUT UP or PUT UP!

Nope.
You've been correct on this fundamental error repeatedly.

One does not need to know or have in hand a 'replacement' to successfully reject a flawed argument or suggestion.
Just as I proved that one need not know that 2 + 4 equals 6 to prove that 2 + 4 does not equal 10, any bad argument can be defeated even in the absence of some 'right' answer.

Worse, in your case in particular, you have yet to identify what the heck the problem is for which you have 'the answer'.
Further proof that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Flaws in logic, lack of evidence, internal contradictions, incoherence of logic, all are sufficient grounds to reject proposed 'conclusions'.  Your work is littered with nothing but logical flaws, missing evidence, blatant unsupported assertions, internal contradictions, and incoherence.
Thus, you lose.

We know you are wrong because we've obliterated each and every argument you have made.  No one is obliged, in any way, to accept assertions made without evidence.  Yet that is very nearly all that you have.  The tiny bit left is illogical or anti-logical.  None of it has any evidence.
You are completely lacking in operational definitions.
You are completely and totally wrong about how science works, which makes for a strong case that you are completely and totally wrong about what science is.

You lose.

Oh, and by the way, the only one who has provable lied in this thread is you.  We've all seen it, we all know, you've run away from it, just as you have run away from any honest or good faith attempt to engage your work.
Run away, little loser.
You have nothing to offer but opportunities to laugh and point.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,13:36   

[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 24 2015,06:46][quote=The whole truth,Oct. 23 2015,08:09][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 23 2015,03:49]
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 23 2015,05:25)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 22 2015,23:36)
     
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 22 2015,11:16)
       
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 21 2015,15:37)
 
Modus tollens allows one to establish the falsity of a proposition without any need for establishing that some other proposition is true. If you indeed were previously acquainted with the concept, that should have prevented you from asserting the ridiculous statement, "If you think I'm wrong, show me your replacement since you cannot claim that 2+4 = 10 is wrong if you don't know 2+4 = 6 is right."

Reemember that anyone can make any logical fallacies. Anyone can make logic and claim that it is logic. For me, I rely on logic if I could test it since reality is there for us to test.

Thus, when I claimed that so that X could exist, we need intelligence (my discovery), I meant it with experiment.
Thus, when somebody said that I am wrong, then, give me the replacement for my new discovery so that I could test it.

If not, shut up..

That is simple and we need to make it simple since many people are dying everyday...

"That is simple and we need to make it simple since many people are dying everyday..."

Edgar, will you explain why you brought up people dying and how that pertains to your 'theory'? Are you claiming that your 'theory' would save lives, or what?

Yes. Intelligence is for life, survival, existence and success. If we use intelligence, we can help many people to live happily and know their own destinies.

Thus, if you don't support and spread my new discoveries, you are endangering the whole humanity.

Edgar, people (well, some people) already "use intelligence" and have been doing so for a long time without accepting your 'theory' or ever hearing of it. Will you explain how the acceptance of your 'theory' would change the way people "use intelligence".

Will you also explain and include some examples of how the acceptance of your 'theory' would save lives, help many people to live happily, and know their own destinies?

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,15:48   

Isn't it a fact that all people use intelligence to the best of their ability, regardless of what intellectual resources and capacity they might be in possession of?

What else could they do? WTF can Mr. ID teach us about how to employ intelligence in our own lives? In what way have you gained any intellectual profit from your 'theories'?

Pecuniary profit or academicv honors are of course out of the question.

Do you have anything to teach, anything to enable anyone to make better use of what he already has?

So far I have not read anything meaningful or useful in what you have written. You just don't make sense.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,19:47   

Quote (Quack @ Oct. 24 2015,15:48)
Isn't it a fact that all people use intelligence to the best of their ability, regardless of what intellectual resources and capacity they might be in possession of?

What else could they do? WTF can Mr. ID teach us about how to employ intelligence in our own lives? In what way have you gained any intellectual profit from your 'theories'?

Pecuniary profit or academicv honors are of course out of the question.

Do you have anything to teach, anything to enable anyone to make better use of what he already has?

So far I have not read anything meaningful or useful in what you have written. You just don't make sense.

I had already told you that real and universal intelligence has always an asymmetrical pattern for origin and cause and effect. If you knew that and apply that to the origin of existence of universe, life etc, you will see what I've seen..

Thus, you will see that our science, like Biology, is mostly wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,19:55   

Quote (The whole truth @ Oct. 24 2015,13:36)
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 24 2015,06:46][quote=The whole truth,Oct. 23 2015,08:09][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 23 2015,03:49] [quote=Wesley R. Elsberry,Oct. 23 2015,05:25]  [quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 22 2015,23:36]       [quote=Wesley R. Elsberry,Oct. 22 2015,11:16]        
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 21 2015,15:37)
 
Yes. Intelligence is for life, survival, existence and success. If we use intelligence, we can help many people to live happily and know their own destinies.

Thus, if you don't support and spread my new discoveries, you are endangering the whole humanity.

Edgar, people (well, some people) already "use intelligence" and have been doing so for a long time without accepting your 'theory' or ever hearing of it. Will you explain how the acceptance of your 'theory' would change the way people "use intelligence".

Will you also explain and include some examples of how the acceptance of your 'theory' would save lives, help many people to live happily, and know their own destinies?

Yes, some people use the real and universal intelligence BUT they don't use it in real science or real life. Now, intelligence is always has this pattern: problem-solution-solution-solution, an asymmetrical phenomenon.

If we apply that in

1. Humanity. We can see that if you are an intelligent human, you will not only work for yourself but for other people too since you will be flowing three solutions in one problem.

Would it be better if the who world will do that and we could eliminate poverty and crimes?

2. Business. If all workers will have to work with intelligence, they could make the job faster than ever. Would it be better if that higher production will mean higher bonus/salaries for many people? That is good world to live!

3. Biology. ToE is wrong since ToE dismissed intelligence, thus, Biological Interrelation, BiTs, is science. Since all humans did not evolve, then, we could eliminate killings and murders since we will just considering humans as humans and not animals. Would it be good that all humans will juts help others to live and no struggle of the fittest?

There are more...but I had just given you some...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,19:57   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 24 2015,13:28)
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 24 2015,14:07] [quote=EmperorZelos,Oct. 24 2015,09:57]  [quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 24 2015,08:50]  


Nope.
You've been correct on this fundamental error repeatedly.

One does not need to know or have in hand a 'replacement' to successfully reject a flawed argument or suggestion.
Just as I proved that one need not know that 2 + 4 equals 6 to prove that 2 + 4 does not equal 10, any bad argument can be defeated even in the absence of some 'right' answer.

Worse, in your case in particular, you have yet to identify what the heck the problem is for which you have 'the answer'.
Further proof that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Flaws in logic, lack of evidence, internal contradictions, incoherence of logic, all are sufficient grounds to reject proposed 'conclusions'.  Your work is littered with nothing but logical flaws, missing evidence, blatant unsupported assertions, internal contradictions, and incoherence.
Thus, you lose.

We know you are wrong because we've obliterated each and every argument you have made.  No one is obliged, in any way, to accept assertions made without evidence.  Yet that is very nearly all that you have.  The tiny bit left is illogical or anti-logical.  None of it has any evidence.
You are completely lacking in operational definitions.
You are completely and totally wrong about how science works, which makes for a strong case that you are completely and totally wrong about what science is.

You lose.

Oh, and by the way, the only one who has provable lied in this thread is you.  We've all seen it, we all know, you've run away from it, just as you have run away from any honest or good faith attempt to engage your work.
Run away, little loser.
You have nothing to offer but opportunities to laugh and point.

You babbled a lot but I need replacement if you think that I am wrong in science.

REPLACEMENT for the real and universal intelligence or SHUT UP and support me!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,19:59   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 24 2015,09:57)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,08:50)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,10:08)
MrDS, you seem to be focused on mathematics for some reason, as a mathematician I will enlighten you a few things about it.

You seem to think it is some sort of decider for anything which it isn't. Mathematics is the study of logical structures, it does not deal with reality what so ever in it's pursuit of truth. Mathematical truth statements are not the same as scientific ones.

Because of this disconnect there is an important component between sciences that use mathematical TOOLS and the acctual science, THEY must translate reality to that of mathematics, make equivocations between the reality, our measurements and things of it with those of mathematical objects.

This goes first at the begining where you start using the mathematical tools (arithmetic is the lowest most pathetic form of mathematics and can hardly be called it) and the end when a result has been acquired at which you must translate it back to reality.

If your translation and assumptions at the begining are faulty/false, then it doesn't matter how many of the mathematical tools you use, the answer at the end is fundamentally flawed and wrong because you fucked it up at the beginning. The result you get is ONLY as good as the initial conditions, as with anything in logic.

All dogs are blue
Fido is a dog
Ergo Fido is blue

The conclusion is valid but unsound because "All dogs are blue" is simply wrong, same goes for your "mathematics", when you try to use probabililties beyond the range of 0 to 1, you are simply full of shit. Definitionally it cannot be outside that range and there are good mathematical jsutifications for it.

Learn some things.

Yes, not all logic and math deal with reality that is why I rely too much on experiment than peer-reviews and others.

Thus, if you think I'm wrong, just give me your replacement and let us compare. IF NOT, SHUT UP and support me.

That is fallacious reasoning, I don't need to come with a replacement to demonstrate you are wrong which I have on multiple occassions.

My goodness, if my reasoning and discoveries are all wrong, then, tell me what is the real and universal intelligence?

ToE had been around for 160 years now. ToE has been funded by taxes and grants/funds and you are now in a great position to replace my new discoveries.

BUT WHERE is that REPLACEMENT?? WHERE???

PUT UP or SHUT UP and support me!

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,20:00   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,20:57)
[quote=NoName,Oct. 24 2015,13:28][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 24 2015,14:07] [quote=EmperorZelos,Oct. 24 2015,09:57]  
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Nope.
You've been correct on this fundamental error repeatedly.

One does not need to know or have in hand a 'replacement' to successfully reject a flawed argument or suggestion.
Just as I proved that one need not know that 2 + 4 equals 6 to prove that 2 + 4 does not equal 10, any bad argument can be defeated even in the absence of some 'right' answer.

Worse, in your case in particular, you have yet to identify what the heck the problem is for which you have 'the answer'.
Further proof that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Flaws in logic, lack of evidence, internal contradictions, incoherence of logic, all are sufficient grounds to reject proposed 'conclusions'.  Your work is littered with nothing but logical flaws, missing evidence, blatant unsupported assertions, internal contradictions, and incoherence.
Thus, you lose.

We know you are wrong because we've obliterated each and every argument you have made.  No one is obliged, in any way, to accept assertions made without evidence.  Yet that is very nearly all that you have.  The tiny bit left is illogical or anti-logical.  None of it has any evidence.
You are completely lacking in operational definitions.
You are completely and totally wrong about how science works, which makes for a strong case that you are completely and totally wrong about what science is.

You lose.

Oh, and by the way, the only one who has provable lied in this thread is you.  We've all seen it, we all know, you've run away from it, just as you have run away from any honest or good faith attempt to engage your work.
Run away, little loser.
You have nothing to offer but opportunities to laugh and point.

You babbled a lot but I need replacement if you think that I am wrong in science.

REPLACEMENT for the real and universal intelligence or SHUT UP and support me!

Nope.  You are still wrong.
That is not how it works.
I've proved that.
Do you not understand?
Do you have a way to overcome my disproof?  No?  Of course you don't.
So, you are a liar.
A liar and a loser.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,20:18   

BUY MY BOOK!!!1111!!!eleven!!!!!!!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,20:20   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 24 2015,20:00)
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 24 2015,20:57][quote=NoName,Oct. 24 2015,13:28][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 24 2015,14:07] [quote=EmperorZelos,Oct. 24 2015,09:57]  
Nope.  You are still wrong.
That is not how it works.
I've proved that.
Do you not understand?
Do you have a way to overcome my disproof?  No?  Of course you don't.
So, you are a liar.
A liar and a loser.

How can you prove and show me that I'm wrong if you don't have replacement for the real and universal intelligence? Where did you base your science in claiming that you are right? YOU ARE REALLY FUNNY and oh my goodness..

Now, NWells, in his shame, had tried to replace my new discoveries but he could not do it since he has no math. he has only religion like you.

dazz, the retarden, lol!, had also given me different definition if intelligence and yet when I asked him to give me math, he left this thread and left no science..
dazz, are you still alive? LOL!

and now, you! LOL!

You had been babbling that I'm wrong and yet when I ask you to give me the replacement for the new and universal intelligence, you could not show..so, why should I believe you?? LOL!

Oh my goodness...! LOL!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,20:21   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 24 2015,20:18)
BUY MY BOOK!!!1111!!!eleven!!!!!!!

No, I don't need religious book! I have science books!

  
EmperorZelos



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,20:50   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,13:06)
[quote=EmperorZelos,Oct. 24 2015,10:00] [quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 24 2015,08:53]  
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,09:18)

No, you assert it because they rejected your paper and quite fraknly. I HAVE readen your garbage and if I was a peer reviewer I'd reject it instantly, not because of the content but because it's written in a manner as if a 7 year old was the author. It's logically incoherent with little to no substance and lots of empty assertions.

You were the one who said that the contents of my science books were not bad. Yes, I have science and you have nothing.

I am a free-lance scientist and I don't receive taxes and funds/grants. If I did, you could have the best grammars that you needed. But bad grammars could be fixed, bad science like yours could not.

I say it IS bad, the content is bad, the structure is bad, therei s nothing good about your BOOKS, they are not science or anything.

You are not a scientist because scientists publish in peer reviewed journals. They don't cry like little babies when they are inept, they actually work on improving themselves so that they GET published.

  
EmperorZelos



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,20:54   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,13:07)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 24 2015,09:57)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,08:50)
 
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 23 2015,10:08)
MrDS, you seem to be focused on mathematics for some reason, as a mathematician I will enlighten you a few things about it.

You seem to think it is some sort of decider for anything which it isn't. Mathematics is the study of logical structures, it does not deal with reality what so ever in it's pursuit of truth. Mathematical truth statements are not the same as scientific ones.

Because of this disconnect there is an important component between sciences that use mathematical TOOLS and the acctual science, THEY must translate reality to that of mathematics, make equivocations between the reality, our measurements and things of it with those of mathematical objects.

This goes first at the begining where you start using the mathematical tools (arithmetic is the lowest most pathetic form of mathematics and can hardly be called it) and the end when a result has been acquired at which you must translate it back to reality.

If your translation and assumptions at the begining are faulty/false, then it doesn't matter how many of the mathematical tools you use, the answer at the end is fundamentally flawed and wrong because you fucked it up at the beginning. The result you get is ONLY as good as the initial conditions, as with anything in logic.

All dogs are blue
Fido is a dog
Ergo Fido is blue

The conclusion is valid but unsound because "All dogs are blue" is simply wrong, same goes for your "mathematics", when you try to use probabililties beyond the range of 0 to 1, you are simply full of shit. Definitionally it cannot be outside that range and there are good mathematical jsutifications for it.

Learn some things.

Yes, not all logic and math deal with reality that is why I rely too much on experiment than peer-reviews and others.

Thus, if you think I'm wrong, just give me your replacement and let us compare. IF NOT, SHUT UP and support me.

That is fallacious reasoning, I don't need to come with a replacement to demonstrate you are wrong which I have on multiple occassions.

How do you know I'm wrong if you don't know what is right? If you know what is right/correct, then, present here your replacement for real and universal intelligence. Let us compare.

If not, you are telling a lie! SHUT UP or PUT UP!

Again, you don't need to know what is right to know what is wrong.

For example 12345/3, I don't need to know the right answer to that calculation to know that 2 or any MULTIPLE of 2 cannot be the answer, I can deduce from things that the answer is incorrect.

Your "put up or shut up", yes I agree to this, put up or shut up, we've asked you to present real science here, peer review and everything. Common now you spineless coward.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,20:54   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,20:21)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 24 2015,20:18)
BUY MY BOOK!!!1111!!!eleven!!!!!!!

No, I don't need religious book! I have science books!

You don't, you have done no science and calling them that does not make them that.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,21:49   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,20:20)
Now, NWells, in his shame, had tried to replace my new discoveries but he could not do it since he has no math. he has only religion like you.
......
You had been babbling that I'm wrong and yet when I ask you to give me the replacement for the new and universal intelligence, you could not show..so, why should I believe you?? LOL!

Claims can be definitively proven wrong without providing a replacement.  For example, a false charge of paternity can be proven wrong without having to prove who the real father is.  Likewise, your stuff is identifiable as hogwash and nonsense without having to have a replacement for it.

Your inability to recognize math suggests that you must be a really crappy engineer, quite apart from your legendary wrongness about intelligence and instinct.

FWIW, I have no religion, unlike you.

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3. Biology. ToE is wrong since ToE dismissed intelligence, thus, Biological Interrelation, BiTs, is science. Since all humans did not evolve, then, we could eliminate killings and murders since we will just considering humans as humans and not animals. Would it be good that all humans will juts help others to live and no struggle of the fittest?

Contrary to what you assert, the ToE is perfectly happy evaluating behavior and intelligence (both human and in other animals) and it has not "dismissed intelligence".  We understand that you have special religious implications in mind when you use the word "intelligence", but you have not yet demonstrated that more than zero gods are required to account for anything in biology, and the ToE shows no gods are necessary to the process.  The evidence that humans have evolved is extremely strong, and you have not refuted any of it.  You have yet to provide any valid support for your BiTs nonsense.

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Since all humans did not evolve, then, we could eliminate killings and murders since we will just considering humans as humans and not animals.
That is one humungous non-sequitur.  We did evolve; we do kill and murder; we have never developed a society without killing and murder.  However, we can establish laws and create a society that minimizes such behavior, if we so decide.  Moreover, the evidence suggests that humans have evolved to be cooperate in larger groups than small bands of chimpanzees and gorillas.  It would be great if humans just helped each other to live, and since we are intelligent and have a high degree of control over our behavior, we are free to work toward that goal regardless of our evolutionary origins.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,21:57   

A septic tank may be emptied without replacing the shit taken out of it.

Why anyone would try to replace anything as stupid and useless as Postardo's dumbfuckery I can't even imagine.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,23:14   

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A septic tank may be emptied without replacing the shit taken out of it.

Yes, but the grass is always greener over it!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,23:46   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 24 2015,23:14)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 24 2015,20:57)
A septic tank may be emptied without replacing the shit taken out of it.

Yes, but the grass is always greener over it!

You really love septic tank that is why you have no science!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,23:47   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 24 2015,21:57)
A septic tank may be emptied without replacing the shit taken out of it.

Why anyone would try to replace anything as stupid and useless as Postardo's dumbfuckery I can't even imagine.

Glen Davidson

You really love septic tank that is why you have no science!

Yes, your religion is like a septic tank, no science and no clue about the real and universal intelligence.

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,23:49   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 24 2015,20:54)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 24 2015,20:21)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 24 2015,20:18)
BUY MY BOOK!!!1111!!!eleven!!!!!!!

No, I don't need religious book! I have science books!

You don't, you have done no science and calling them that does not make them that.

LOL!! You have no science and no clue about the real and universal intelligence...

  
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