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Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2016,14:48   

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At this moment in time there is a very serious ID theory being taught to the world via Barry’s blog that helps science teachers write lesson plans explaining all the common illustrations for the “scientific method” and even what “science” is. It’s one of those things that have a way of on their own spreading into science and culture.

:D

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2016,15:15   

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At this moment in time there is a very serious ID theory being taught to the world via Barry’s blog that helps science teachers write lesson plans explaining all the common illustrations for the “scientific method” and even what “science” is. It’s one of those things that have a way of on their own spreading into science and culture.

:D

More:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-599397

And MORE!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-599400

If this keeps up we'll have earned a free round of the Powerman 5000.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2016,15:17   

[/QUOTE]Any info?
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Not from uncommonly dense, no.


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At this moment in time there is a very serious ID theory being taught to the world via Barry’s blog that helps science teachers write lesson plans explaining all the common illustrations for the “scientific method” and even what “science” is. It’s one of those things that have a way of on their own spreading into science and culture.[QUOTE]

Another unsupported assertion from the ignorant IDist.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2016,15:22   

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Any info?


Not from uncommonly dense.

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At this moment in time there is a very serious ID theory being taught to the world via Barry’s blog that helps science teachers write lesson plans explaining all the common illustrations for the “scientific method” and even what “science” is. It’s one of those things that have a way of on their own spreading into science and culture.



Another evidence-free assertion from the ignorant IDist.

(Don,t know how the previous one posted, I just checked his next pile of vomit and it had posted)

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2016,16:01   

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The fossil evidence is exactly what was predicted by the Theory of Intelligent Design that I defend.


:D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2016,10:31   

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The fossil evidence is exactly what was predicted by the Theory of Intelligent Design that I defend.


:D

Come off it, Gary.  Demonstrate that you have something other than unfounded assertions.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2016,10:51   

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The fossil evidence is exactly what was predicted by the Theory of Intelligent Design that I defend.


:D

'Defend'???
When and where have you ever 'defended' your "theory"?
You sulk and whine, but you do not address issues found within your effluent.

Where and how does your "theory" predict fossilization of any sort?
Is 'fossilization' something that molecules learn?  Do bones 'learn' how to gradually replace their existing molecular structures with new ones?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2016,10:58   

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The fossil evidence is exactly what was predicted by the Theory of Intelligent Design that I defend.


:D

'Defend'???
When and where have you ever 'defended' your "theory"?
You sulk and whine, but you do not address issues found within your effluent.

Where and how does your "theory" predict fossilization of any sort?
Is 'fossilization' something that molecules learn?  Do bones 'learn' how to gradually replace their existing molecular structures with new ones?

Don't be silly, intelligent molecules already know how to fossilize bones.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2016,15:10   

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The fossil evidence is exactly what was predicted by the Theory of Intelligent Design that I defend.


:D

'Defend'???
When and where have you ever 'defended' your "theory"?

I have no trouble whatsoever believing that GG thinks he's defended his theory.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2016,15:26   

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The fossil evidence is exactly what was predicted by the Theory of Intelligent Design that I defend.


:D

'Defend'???
When and where have you ever 'defended' your "theory"?

I have no trouble whatsoever believing that GG thinks he's defended his theory.

I do.
Whatever the hell it is he's doing, 'thinking' appears to be the least likely verb to apply.

In the context of his "theory", he may be guessing.  That would be almost plausible.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 10 2016,22:15   

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The fossil evidence is exactly what was predicted by the Theory of Intelligent Design that I defend.


:D

'Defend'???
When and where have you ever 'defended' your "theory"?

I have no trouble whatsoever believing that GG thinks he's defended his theory.


Check out this (religious philosophy) before and (science) after that was necessary to defend against a Dr. Stacy Trasancos who went where V. J. Torley sent her:

www.uncommondescent.com/philosophy/dr-stacy-trasancos-responds/#comment-599898

It's in part in answer to an AI forum discussion:

www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/pz-myets-on-emotionally-invested-in-despising-philosophy#post-744212

And at Sandwalk:

sandwalk.blogspot.com/2016/03/university-of-toronto-post-doc-shares.html?showComment=1457614574608#c2878830457621658224

I think that the theory is being well enough defended. It at the same time has to solve major problems caused by "science" being overcomplicated in a way that makes the "scientific method" some great mystery that can seem to come from philosophy. It's the only way to prevent a whole lot of science classroom problems caused by the ID movement not knowing that a theory for "intelligent cause" like this ends up best explaining "science" too, which is even better for them than having to leave all that to philosophers.

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2016,02:33   

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Check out this...


We don't care. Gaulin. It has nothing to do with science. It is religious propaganda.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2016,06:33   

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It at the same time has to solve major problems caused by "science" being overcomplicated in a way that makes the "scientific method" some great mystery that can seem to come from philosophy.


BS. The "scientific method" (actually, methods) is neither mysterious nor particularly philosophical.  It's pragmatic.

You don't practice scientific methods.  You don't adequately define your terms (you use terms in non-traditional ways that include contradictions such as self-similar but emergent intelligence, and your explanations are in such poor English that people have difficulty figuring out exactly what you are saying).  You misuse terms like "theory" and "design" and "intelligence" without providing adequate redefinitions.  You don't provide usable operational definitions, so no one (including you) can measure your key parameters.  You don't understand the field that you are operating in, so you make ridiculous and embarrassing mistakes, such as in critiquing concepts like natural selection and in falsely aligning chemical species with biological species.  You don't do hypothesis-testing, let alone strong inference, so you don't proceed by making and testing predictions and disproving ideas, but rather by credulous acceptance of whatever you think can be force-fit into accordance with your ideas.  You don't have multiple working hypotheses, so you have a single horribly wrong concept that nonetheless blinds you to its failings.  You don't ground-truth your model (no, insects do not have a hippocampus). Your model does not relate to your claims, but you don't care.  You do not provide evidence to back up your assertions,so you just leap from one illogical claim to another.  You do not derive logically valid conclusions.  

Someone once described "the scientific method" as everything and anything that makes science scientist-proof, i.e. anything that keeps scientists from deluding themselves, because self-delusion is arguably the first and largest pitfall in doing science.  You fail from your first step on.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 11 2016,06:48   

Gary, you are not defending ' "the" theory'.
You're not even, or especially not even, defending your own "theory".
Insofar as there is 'the' "theory" of ID, it is encapsulated in your banal, uncontroversial, and non-theoretic, assertion that some parts of the universe are best explained by intelligent cause.
That is not a theory.  It is an unarguable, and unargued, fact.  It is also a philosophical position.
It is not a scientific position.  It might be a presupposition of science, or of some science, but it has no aspect of theory about it.  Nor any aspect of science.  It is, at best, pre-scientific.
But its major flaws are that it is entirely unfruitful, entirely uninteresting (except, in small ways, philosophically), and entirely lacking in explanatory power.  It is ambiguous, equivocal, unspecific, and generally useless to intellectual endeavors of any sort.  It requires substantial scaffolding to even be meaningful.  Scaffolding you have been chided about for 9+ years and which you still fail to provide.  Refuse to provide.  Some defense that is.
What we find in your output utterly fails to expand beyond the level of entirely unfruitful, uninteresting, and lacking in  explanatory power.  Worse, it patently fails when presented with unambiguous 'features' of the universe generally or universally taken to be 'best explained by intelligent cause'.  We've been over this repeatedly, and you've offered no defense of  your failure to provide any level of explanation whatsoever for these features.

As always, epic fail.  Wrapped in the guise of deflection and distraction away from your own failures to the failed broader movement of which you are barely an insignificant part.
Way to waste a life man.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2016,13:31   

I can add that: for science journals the "peer-review" is the "confidence" part of the mechanism. When confidence in a submission being true is below a certain threshold its author(s) are forced to take a best guess what will work better for the reviewers.

As in the cognitive model the result is a self-correcting trial and error method for learning proper (often medically related) actions to take in a given (often disease related) situation.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2016,14:20   

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I can add that: for science journals the "peer-review" is the "confidence" part of the mechanism. When confidence in a submission being true is below a certain threshold its author(s) are forced to take a best guess what will work better for the reviewers.

As in the cognitive model the result is a self-correcting trial and error method for learning proper (often medically related) actions to take in a given (often disease related) situation.

More blatant thievery.
You have no 'cognitive model'.  Your swill is emphatically not "self correcting."
You are wrong in the details and in the big picture.  
You lie about it.
You refuse to engage on the issues.
You refuse to defend your clear claims -- such as "just where and how does your 'theory' predict the fossil record?"

You are, however, a master of the non sequitur, albeit accidentally so.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2016,14:22   

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I can add that: for science journals the "peer-review" is the "confidence" part of the mechanism. When confidence in a submission being true is below a certain threshold its author(s) are forced to take a best guess what will work better for the reviewers.

As in the cognitive model the result is a self-correcting trial and error method for learning proper (often medically related) actions to take in a given (often disease related) situation.

Peer review is likely to be more critical for an unknown author and/or for someone saying something that runs counter to current understanding.  However, getting such a paper accepted by reviewers is only a little about having to take a guess as to what will work best with reviewers (you'd have a better argument here if you were talking about writing grant proposals).  

Instead, what reviewers of papers look for is extremely straight-forward: clear and comprehensible writing, a concise but correct review of prior relevant work, clearly defined terms, operational definitions that allow people to duplicate the work independently if desired, multiple working hypotheses (i.e., consideration of alternative potential explanations), clear and valid predictions based on those hypotheses (i.e. tests of those hypotheses), well-documented evidence that allows the reader to follow the logic of choosing between the hypotheses, and logically valid conclusions, plus indications that everything appears to have been done with care, diligence, and honesty.

I have no idea what your second paragraph is going on about.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2016,15:23   

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I can add that: for science journals the "peer-review" is the "confidence" part of the mechanism. When confidence in a submission being true is below a certain threshold its author(s) are forced to take a best guess what will work better for the reviewers.

As in the cognitive model the result is a self-correcting trial and error method for learning proper (often medically related) actions to take in a given (often disease related) situation.


Yet another Gualinesque assault on the English language.

Your "model" is not self-correcting, there has been no trial and error involved, it is certainly disease related, though. You should seek professional help for that.

We add "cognitive" to the Gaulin not-a-dictionary of words Gaulin doesn't understand.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2016,19:00   

This is very shocking news:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3489624/ELP-star-Keith-Emerson-shot-no-longer-perform-perfectly-fans.html

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2016,14:10   

Come on Gaulin, answer the criticisms of what you erroneously call a theory.

Gaulin's reply; Oh, look a squirrel!

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 14 2016,14:44   

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Come on Gaulin, answer the criticisms of what you erroneously call a theory.

Gaulin's reply; Oh, look a squirrel!

Worse.  He's pandering the suicide of a much-respected (and much disrespected) musician/celebrity.
Doesn't even rise to the level of tawdry.  Merely contemptible.  Par for the Gaulin course.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2016,04:12   

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Worse.  He's pandering the suicide of a much-respected (and much disrespected) musician/celebrity.
Doesn't even rise to the level of tawdry.  Merely contemptible.  Par for the Gaulin course.


My apologies, I wasn't being flippant about the death of a great musician.

I was trying to point out the hypocrisy of Gaulin when he made his post.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2016,05:12   

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Worse.  He's pandering the suicide of a much-respected (and much disrespected) musician/celebrity.
Doesn't even rise to the level of tawdry.  Merely contemptible.  Par for the Gaulin course.


My apologies, I wasn't being flippant about the death of a great musician.

I was trying to point out the hypocrisy of Gaulin when he made his post.

Oh, no I agree completely.  Gary's the one abusing the death of a celebrity as his latest "oh, look, a squirrel" ploy.  You were right to call him on it.
He may or may not be deranged, but he is crass and contemptible.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2016,06:29   

Science classroom related info here:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....-600565

And late last night I ended up submitting an abstract for the philosophy conference, even though I do not know a thing about video conferencing or ever tried. I'm not sure whether I should show what it is. If they want me then you'll soon enough see. For now though:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....-600429

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2016,06:34   

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And late last night I ended up submitting an abstract for the philosophy conference, even though I do not know a thing about video conferencing or ever tried. ...

Not knowing anything at all about the subject at hand, whatever it might be, is pretty much your trade-marked move.
You know less about philosophy than you do about science.  This is roughly as amazing as science's discovery of energy levels below absolute zero.

And still no defense of your "theory" or your absurd claims.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2016,10:20   

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Science classroom related info here:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....-600565

And late last night I ended up submitting an abstract for the philosophy conference, even though I do not know a thing about video conferencing or ever tried. I'm not sure whether I should show what it is. If they want me then you'll soon enough see. For now though:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....-600429

From GG's first UD link:
   
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In regards to what a “scientific theory” is the students who experiment with the code from the ID Lab have that as an example of what it looks like when a theory is based upon a testable model. To find out what it looks like when not, you can think of me as a bored high school science student ready to at home try out any creation of living things theory you got then make sure the whole school knows about it. Explain to me what the (as you see it) theory of intelligent design offers to make me rather that than zapping virtual critters of my own design and all else then possible.

Take that, KF.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 16 2016,13:10   

So, Gary, first up, you should hang out on UD more - any site where one of the first posts says  
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Computer programming doesn’t teach anything but what it teaches.
What is science? memorizing things?
is going to make you look good by comparison.  (Yes, it's Byers, but beggars can't be choosers.)

Second, try to avoid saying stuff like  
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I always make sure to put the “then” in the sentence not comma, which is where a student also has to first start. Seems more clear that way.
, given that that rather defeats the purpose.

Third, it is heart-gladdening to hear you say stuff like  
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The “scientific method” is in the way we think, not something scientists invented only they use.
, except why don't you apply proper standards to your own work, rather than just making ungrounded assertions?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2016,00:07   

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And late last night I ended up submitting an abstract for the philosophy conference, even though I do not know a thing about video conferencing or ever tried. I'm not sure whether I should show what it is. If they want me then you'll soon enough see. For now though:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....-600429

Oh hey!

Elle King - Ex's & Oh's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....grxaPKU



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2016,13:59   

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2016,00:07  
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And late last night I ended up submitting an abstract for the philosophy conference, even though I do not know a thing about video conferencing or ever tried. I'm not sure whether I should show what it is. If they want me then you'll soon enough see. For now though:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....-600429

Oh hey!


Oh hell! The squirrels are multiplying.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2016,14:22   

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y251650
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Has Cornelius Hunter lost his OP posting privileges at UD? His last OP at Darwin's God was not simultaneously posted at UD, as his previous ones were.

Judging by The 12 Points of Evolution post, perhaps someone at UD has some kind of a faint clue.

Naah.

Whoomp! (There It Is)

www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/the-new-epigenetic-lie-how-easily-a-failure-becomes-a-friend/#comment-600802

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