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Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:20    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,09:10) Still having a meltdown, Joe? That's too bad. the name of this thread becomes more apropos every fucking day Joe, how do you know those aren't real DNA sequences?  Please, by all means, show us the math that led you to this firm throbbing conclusion -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:23    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:13) Chemistry- I wasn't discussing chemistry Chemistry or not, no one abbreviates a molecule to a mole. Period. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:28    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,09:06) Quote (olegt @ Mar. 08 2012,08:04) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:02) Yeah oleg- the sequences kevin made-up- they ain't REAL DNA sequences oleg Yet you are still demanding to see them! LOL And how do you know they are not real? You have any proof? Yes, oleg- that way I demolish his childish game If they are real he will let me see them. Hey Stupid how would you know they are made up?   no ideas? -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:29    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:13) Add to that the fact he said it was a trick question- again your ignorance, while amusing, doesn't mean a fucking thing. Funny that everyone else here knew what was being discussed and you were the only one 'tricked'.       Maybe you should spend some time and learn the High School basics before claiming to be a scientist. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:31    Ah those 'trick' questions that use 'common technical terms' and have no 'twist' whatsoever... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:33    O/T - does anyone know the name of this guy: It's buried in my mind somewhere, but I can't dig it out... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Freddie Posts: 371 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:47    ... and of course there's The .... -------------- Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy. Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people. Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:49    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 08 2012,08:17) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:08) Dumbas evoTARDS still ignoring the obvious: 1- Forensics says it can determine design from nature, operating freely 2- Archaeology claims it can determine design from nature, operating freely 3- evotards claim they can determine design from nature, operating freely Yet kevin "thinks" his strawman of a challenge only applies to ID- talk about retarded... 1- Forensics says it can determine HUMAN design from nature, operating freely 2- Archaeology claims it can determine HUMAN design from nature, operating freely 3- evotards claim they can determine HUMAN design from nature, operating freely We can determine HUMAN design only because we have prior knowledge of HUMAN DESIGNERS and the processes they use to compare against. Why do you keep ignoring that obvious point Joe? Wow, nice ignorance there- Forensics doesn't know if it was a human or not until they follow the EVIDENCE Archaeology- well they can only speculate "humans didit" evoTARDS say that living organisms aren't designed, dumbass, so they claim they can tell even if it wasn't a human. We can determine design from nature, operating freely due to our knowledge of cause and effect relationships. And to refute ANY design inference all one has to do is step up and demonstrate that nature, operating freely, can produce it. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:50    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 08 2012,08:23) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:13) Chemistry- I wasn't discussing chemistry Chemistry or not, no one abbreviates a molecule to a mole. Period. Citation please :P -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:51    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:50) Quote (olegt @ Mar. 08 2012,08:23) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:13) Chemistry- I wasn't discussing chemistry Chemistry or not, no one abbreviates a molecule to a mole. Period. Citation please :P You don't understand 'the burden of proof' or falsification, do you? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:52    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,08:51) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:50) Quote (olegt @ Mar. 08 2012,08:23)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:13) Chemistry- I wasn't discussing chemistry Chemistry or not, no one abbreviates a molecule to a mole. Period. Citation please :P You don't understand 'the burden of proof' or falsification, do you? You don't understand anything. And you are a proven liar and coward. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:54    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,08:31) Ah those 'trick' questions that use 'common technical terms' and have no 'twist' whatsoever... Dumbass- He said it was a trick question -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Mindrover Posts: 65 Joined: April 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:55    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:02)   Quote (olegt @ Mar. 08 2012,08:00)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,07:54) [font=Comic Sans MS]1- I need to see those DNA sequences     Quote HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Exactly what I expected from a person who doesn't understand science.</span> God, he is really that stupid. Joe, the sequences are right here, on this very page. Yeah oleg- the sequences kevin made-up- they ain't REAL DNA sequences oleg Also your position needs to be able to determine which is designed and which isn't... I think people missed something. The most charitable reading of the above shows that Joe believes [i]both[/b] sequences to be designed.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:55    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 08 2012,08:20) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,09:10) Still having a meltdown, Joe? That's too bad. the name of this thread becomes more apropos every fucking day Joe, how do you know those aren't real DNA sequences?  Please, by all means, show us the math that led you to this firm throbbing conclusion Hey fuck-breath- all you have to do to refute what I say is demonstrate that nature, operating freely can produce a living organism from non-living matter. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:57    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:54) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,08:31) Ah those 'trick' questions that use 'common technical terms' and have no 'twist' whatsoever... Dumbass- He said it was a trick question Yes it was a trick because anyone with any knowledge of the 2nd law would know that everything after 'closed system' was just silly because the water doesn't have the energy it would need to decompose in a closed system. But you blew that one right out of the water didn't you... ETA: BTW: You believed me when I said it was a trick question, but you don't believe me when I say that both sequences are real. Edited by OgreMkV on Mar. 08 2012,08:58 -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:57    Quote (Mindrover @ Mar. 08 2012,08:55) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:02)   Quote (olegt @ Mar. 08 2012,08:00)     Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,07:54) [font=Comic Sans MS]1- I need to see those DNA sequences       Quote HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Exactly what I expected from a person who doesn't understand science.</span> God, he is really that stupid. Joe, the sequences are right here, on this very page. Yeah oleg- the sequences kevin made-up- they ain't REAL DNA sequences oleg Also your position needs to be able to determine which is designed and which isn't... I think people missed something. The most charitable reading of the above shows that Joe believes [i]both[/b] sequences to be designed. Yes, I say that agency involvement was required to produce both of those sequences. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,08:59    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:57) Quote (Mindrover @ Mar. 08 2012,08:55) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:02)     Quote (olegt @ Mar. 08 2012,08:00)     Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,07:54) [font=Comic Sans MS]1- I need to see those DNA sequences       Quote HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Exactly what I expected from a person who doesn't understand science.</span> God, he is really that stupid. Joe, the sequences are right here, on this very page. Yeah oleg- the sequences kevin made-up- they ain't REAL DNA sequences oleg Also your position needs to be able to determine which is designed and which isn't... I think people missed something. The most charitable reading of the above shows that Joe believes [i]both[/b] sequences to be designed. Yes, I say that agency involvement was required to produce both of those sequences. Which doesn't have anything to do with the actual question that I asked of you. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:00    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 08 2012,08:57) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:54) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,08:31) Ah those 'trick' questions that use 'common technical terms' and have no 'twist' whatsoever... Dumbass- He said it was a trick question Yes it was a trick because anyone with any knowledge of the 2nd law would know that everything after 'closed system' was just silly because the water doesn't have the energy it would need to decompose in a closed system. But you blew that one right out of the water didn't you... Umm, I never even considered your question. Also if there is an agency in that closed system said agency can use the available energy in that closed-system to disassociate the atoms. Ya see kevin- you didn't say what your closed system was- dumbass -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:01    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:57) Yes, I say that agency involvement was required to produce both of those sequences. What sort of agency? Non-human? How do you know? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:01    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:55) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 08 2012,08:20) Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,09:10) Still having a meltdown, Joe? That's too bad. the name of this thread becomes more apropos every fucking day Joe, how do you know those aren't real DNA sequences?  Please, by all means, show us the math that led you to this firm throbbing conclusion Hey fuck-breath- all you have to do to refute what I say is demonstrate that nature, operating freely can produce a living organism from non-living matter. And I have told you, I can produce hundreds of peer-reviewed papers that all say there is nothing in the laws of nature that would prevent it from happening. You're the one claiming it's impossible, in spite of the massive evidence to the contrary.   You show us that it's impossible. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:03    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 08 2012,09:01) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:55) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 08 2012,08:20)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,09:10) Still having a meltdown, Joe? That's too bad. the name of this thread becomes more apropos every fucking day Joe, how do you know those aren't real DNA sequences?  Please, by all means, show us the math that led you to this firm throbbing conclusion Hey fuck-breath- all you have to do to refute what I say is demonstrate that nature, operating freely can produce a living organism from non-living matter. And I have told you, I can produce hundreds of peer-reviewed papers that all say there is nothing in the laws of nature that would prevent it from happening. You're the one claiming it's impossible, in spite of the massive evidence to the contrary.   You show us that it's impossible. No Kevin- YOU need POSITIVE evidence- I cannot prove a negative -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:05    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 08 2012,08:59) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:57) Quote (Mindrover @ Mar. 08 2012,08:55)   Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:02)     Quote (olegt @ Mar. 08 2012,08:00)       Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,07:54) [font=Comic Sans MS]1- I need to see those DNA sequences         Quote HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Exactly what I expected from a person who doesn't understand science.</span> God, he is really that stupid. Joe, the sequences are right here, on this very page. Yeah oleg- the sequences kevin made-up- they ain't REAL DNA sequences oleg Also your position needs to be able to determine which is designed and which isn't... I think people missed something. The most charitable reading of the above shows that Joe believes [i]both[/b] sequences to be designed. Yes, I say that agency involvement was required to produce both of those sequences. Which doesn't have anything to do with the actual question that I asked of you. Your question is a strawman as ID is just concerned with whether or not agency involvement was required- just as I have been telling you. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:06    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 08 2012,09:01) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:57) Yes, I say that agency involvement was required to produce both of those sequences. What sort of agency? Non-human? How do you know? How is that relevant? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:07    Hey Joe - still dominating the Guano thread. You are merciless! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:24    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:55) Hey fuck-breath- all you have to do to refute what I say is demonstrate that nature, operating freely can produce a living organism from non-living matter. Let's say we manage to recreate 'natural' conditions that produce a living organism from non-living matter. What sort of test could be done to show conclusively that nature was indeed 'acting freely' and not being controlled behind-the-scenes by some superintelligent, superpowerful agency? Please be specific. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:28    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2012,10:07) Hey Joe - still dominating the Guano thread. You are merciless! he OWNS that shit CAPTAIN GUANO TO THE RESCUE!!!1!! -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:38    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,07:58)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 08 2012,07:46) Hey Joe: Tell us again how Lt. Data on Star Trek TNG is proof that real world cells have teeny weeny GAs built inside them. Tell us how a molecule of H2O isn't water. Tell us how in chemistry mole is short for molecule.       At TSZ you had the best tardgasm EVAH! !- That isn't wjhat i used Data for- again your ignorance is showing 2- one molecule of h2o is neither a liquid, a solid nor a gas- again your ignporance is showing 3- This isn't a chemistry lab and a "mole" can have several meanings and can be someone's shorthand for "molecule" Considering the context of the question, the meaning of "mole" was obvious. You continue to demonstrate your ignorance. BTW. Didn't you claim that ID is NOT anti-evolution?

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:39    Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,09:06) Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 08 2012,09:01) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:57) Yes, I say that agency involvement was required to produce both of those sequences. What sort of agency? Non-human? How do you know? How is that relevant? It's relevant because all the examples of "design detection" you are giving all relate to examples of human design. So you think you can just flip over to a designer that is outside our experience and the same rules apply? Hardly. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:39    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 08 2012,09:24) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,08:55) Hey fuck-breath- all you have to do to refute what I say is demonstrate that nature, operating freely can produce a living organism from non-living matter. Let's say we manage to recreate 'natural' conditions that produce a living organism from non-living matter. What sort of test could be done to show conclusively that nature was indeed 'acting freely' and not being controlled behind-the-scenes by some superintelligent, superpowerful agency? Please be specific. This. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2012,09:42    This nugget frm Joe's blog: Quote Cars are designed and no one thinks they do their car-thing via random gear movements. :D -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

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