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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,13:42   

posh i once freebased a kitty zygote right at the moment of fertilization.  buddy i saw what it is that is the shit that they use to tie the strings holding the universe together too pal

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,13:43   

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You can't free base a kitten, don't be ridiculous


Louis:  Please do try to keep up with the Church Burnin' Ebola Boy Updates!

Bulletin # 123.45b clearly explained how to deal with the "kitten fur" problem.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,13:44   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 22 2011,19:42)
posh i once freebased a kitty zygote right at the moment of fertilization.  buddy i saw what it is that is the shit that they use to tie the strings holding the universe together too pal

'Ras, whatever it is you are smoking send some immediately. I require it for....study purposes.

Yeah. "Study".

Louis

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,13:47   

Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 22 2011,19:43)
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You can't free base a kitten, don't be ridiculous


Louis:  Please do try to keep up with the Church Burnin' Ebola Boy Updates!

Bulletin # 123.45b clearly explained how to deal with the "kitten fur" problem.

Kittens are acidic as ani ful no. You can make a salt of a kitten.

Dogs are basic, and commonly found in salt form with kittens (for atheist purposes*). Puppies can therefore be free based.

Quod Erat Doofustratum.

Louis

*The purposes can occur on a daily basis, or just at the Folsom Street Fair.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,14:21   

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Federal court throws out case against teacher

By FERMIN LEAL

A federal appeals court has tossed out a lower court's ruling that Capistrano Valley High School teacher James Corbett violated a student's constitutional rights by making comments disparaging to religion, saying Corbett could not have known he might be breaking the law.

The ruling on Friday by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the laws regarding what a teacher can and cannot say about religion were insufficiently clear to indicate whether Corbett violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

“Nothing put Corbett on notice that his statements might violate the Establishment Clause. More to the point, we are aware of no prior case holding that a teacher violated the Establishment Clause by appearing critical of religion during class lectures, nor any case with sufficiently similar facts to give a teacher ‘fair warning' that such conduct was unlawful,” the ruling states.

Corbett was sued by then-student Chad Farnam, who alleged 22 statements he made during a fall 2007 Advanced Placement European history course was disparaging to Christianity, including one in which Corbett called creationism “religious, superstitious nonsense.”


Jut in case Barry was involved in this one:

Link

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,15:14   

Quote (paragwinn @ Aug. 22 2011,00:07)

Actually, the fantasy atheists have a separate organization labelled 'Atheist League' (not to be confused with League of Atheists, United Atheists, Atheist Cabal, or the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine Atheists)


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki.....Atheist

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,16:20   

Quote (Louis @ Aug. 22 2011,12:47)
Kittens are acidic as ani ful no. You can make a salt of a kitten.

Dogs are basic, and commonly found in salt form with kittens (for atheist purposes*). Puppies can therefore be free based.

Quod Erat Doofustratum.

Louis

*The purposes can occur on a daily basis, or just at the Folsom Street Fair.

Is there a litmus test for this phenomena?

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,16:40   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 22 2011,14:21)
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Federal court throws out case against teacher

By FERMIN LEAL

A federal appeals court has tossed out a lower court's ruling that Capistrano Valley High School teacher James Corbett violated a student's constitutional rights by making comments disparaging to religion, saying Corbett could not have known he might be breaking the law.

The ruling on Friday by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the laws regarding what a teacher can and cannot say about religion were insufficiently clear to indicate whether Corbett violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

“Nothing put Corbett on notice that his statements might violate the Establishment Clause. More to the point, we are aware of no prior case holding that a teacher violated the Establishment Clause by appearing critical of religion during class lectures, nor any case with sufficiently similar facts to give a teacher ‘fair warning' that such conduct was unlawful,” the ruling states.

Corbett was sued by then-student Chad Farnam, who alleged 22 statements he made during a fall 2007 Advanced Placement European history course was disparaging to Christianity, including one in which Corbett called creationism “religious, superstitious nonsense.”


Jut in case Barry was involved in this one:

Link

A search of Google Images for "Chad Farnam" yields some pretty wild results! :)

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,17:46   

Quote (Louis @ Aug. 22 2011,14:44)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 22 2011,19:42)
posh i once freebased a kitty zygote right at the moment of fertilization.  buddy i saw what it is that is the shit that they use to tie the strings holding the universe together too pal

'Ras, whatever it is you are smoking send some immediately. I require it for....study purposes.

Yeah. "Study".

Louis

this is the shit that designed the designer son.  ayo jesus smoked it and crucified himself.  mike behe took a nose hit and remembered all the shit in that huge stack of books he met on the witless stand for real tho.  word is bond son lex luthor just chewed on the placenta and learned the language of atlantis and composed some thump bass lines on a prime number scale then transposed it to C# minor and played that shit on a piano with only white keys dawg i was there it was craaaaazy

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,18:08   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 22 2011,22:20)
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 22 2011,12:47)
Kittens are acidic as ani ful no. You can make a salt of a kitten.

Dogs are basic, and commonly found in salt form with kittens (for atheist purposes*). Puppies can therefore be free based.

Quod Erat Doofustratum.

Louis

*The purposes can occur on a daily basis, or just at the Folsom Street Fair.

Is there a litmus test for this phenomena?

I think many indicators would say there is, yes.

Louis

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,18:44   

A nice own goal by Eric Holloway, attacking computer scientist Mark Chu-Carroll as someone whose expertise is outside of computer science.  Very funny bits there, which Dr. Bot and Daniel King note.

Who the fuck is Eric Holloway anyway?   Is this a deep cover sock?

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,18:51   

the comments are even better.  they couldn't look like a danker bag of balls of shit if they were to cover themselves with moldy balls of shit and get in a danker bag

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,19:42   

Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 22 2011,14:40)
A search of Google Images for "Chad Farnam" yields some pretty wild results! :)

Isn't that one of the names they rattle off in that MST3K episode?

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,19:55   

Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 19 2011,10:11)
Hey, I'll pay for an edit button.  Lou?  What will it cost me.

Hmmm... Let me think a moment.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,19:55   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 22 2011,20:55)
Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 19 2011,10:11)
Hey, I'll pay for an edit button.  Lou?  What will it cost me.

Hmmm... Let me think a moment.

Nope.

Not for sale.

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“Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas?

Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
sledgehammer



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,22:36   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 22 2011,16:44)
Who the fuck is Eric Holloway anyway?   Is this a deep cover sock?

An illustrious member of Caroline Crockers' crock o' crackpots

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The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,22:38   

Quote (Louis @ Aug. 23 2011,02:08)
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 22 2011,22:20)
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 22 2011,12:47)
Kittens are acidic as ani ful no. You can make a salt of a kitten.

Dogs are basic, and commonly found in salt form with kittens (for atheist purposes*). Puppies can therefore be free based.

Quod Erat Doofustratum.

Louis

*The purposes can occur on a daily basis, or just at the Folsom Street Fair.

Is there a litmus test for this phenomena?

I think many indicators would say there is, yes.

Louis

the nitrate is cheaper tho

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,22:45   

Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 22 2011,18:44)
A nice own goal by Eric Holloway, attacking computer scientist Mark Chu-Carroll as someone whose expertise is outside of computer science.  Very funny bits there, which Dr. Bot and Daniel King note.

Who the fuck is Eric Holloway anyway?   Is this a deep cover sock?

It seems he's the one Eric Holloway of Carolin Crocker's Amercian Institute for Technology and Science Educaction misrepresentation

ETA:
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Eric Holloway, Computer Scientist

Mr. Holloway is currently an officer in the Air Force, stationed in Virginia, and has been on active duty for six years (including a deployment to Afghanistan in 2010). He has a BSc from Biola and and an MSc from the Air Force Institute of Technology, both in computer science. The MSc was focused on AI with an emphasis on evolutionary algorithms and was funded by an $80k grant from the Air Force Research Lab. The work was was published in two conference proceedings, IEEE and ACM.
(emphasis mine)
Is anybodey willing to review his MSc work?

ETA 2: You'll find his publications here and here. Unfortunately, it's $15 each.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,22:58   

Eric Holloway didn't even realize that MarkCC is not on blogspot anymore since June 15, 2006 and that he stayed at Scienceblogs until August 2, 2010 and is now at Scientopia.

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,23:26   

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none appear to deal at all with the mathematical underpinnings of algorithms, which is more properly the relevant field for understanding the No Free Lunch Theorem. So, I believe it is still fair for me to say he is speaking outside of his realm of expertise when he critiques Dembski’s use of the NFLT.


Interesting how sometimes speaking within one's field of expertise is a good thing, and sometimes one must evaluate statements on their merits, regardless of their origin.

I forget, is one of Dr Dr Bill's degrees in biology?

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sledgehammer



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2011,23:45   

Quote (sparc @ Aug. 22 2011,20:45)

 
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Who the fuck is Eric Holloway anyway?   Is this a deep cover sock?

It seems he's the one Eric Holloway of Carolin Crocker's Amercian Institute for Technology and Science Educaction misrepresentation


Ha! beat you by 10 whole minutes.

If Holloway knows anything about bioloogical evolutionary algorithms, then he must realize that:

1) biological evolution is not a search for a specific target, or even an "optimum" like targeted GAs.

2) "averaging over all possible fitness functions", as in NFL, is a ridiculous comparison, since most fitness functions are random noise.

3)  The only important fitness function for biological evolution is the one represented by the local environment, and selective inheritance does a great job of improving fitness for that type of function.

If he doesn't, either he is avoiding the obvious, and/or he's blinded by the same thing as the rest of his fellow crackpots

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The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,00:18   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 23 2011,16:26)
I forget, is one of Dr Dr Bill's degrees in biology?

Well pointed out. It highlights the hypocrisy in Holloway's very first sentence:
 
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We’ve all noticed the ID critics all speak outside of their realm of expertise.

And they all think they can overthrow an entire field of science in which practically none of them have any expertise.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,04:40   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 23 2011,01:55)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 22 2011,20:55)
Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 19 2011,10:11)
Hey, I'll pay for an edit button.  Lou?  What will it cost me.

Hmmm... Let me think a moment.

Nope.

Not for sale.

Lou you took at least one full second to consider that. Tut tut. You're getting slow in your old age!

;-)

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,04:43   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Aug. 23 2011,06:18)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 23 2011,16:26)
I forget, is one of Dr Dr Bill's degrees in biology?

Well pointed out. It highlights the hypocrisy in Holloway's very first sentence:
   
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We’ve all noticed the ID critics all speak outside of their realm of expertise.

And they all think they can overthrow an entire field of science in which practically none of them have any expertise.

The problem is that they think they do not need any expertise.
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One can learn the essentials of Darwinian theory and its claims in a few hours. It’s really just that shallow.


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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,04:56   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Aug. 23 2011,00:18)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 23 2011,16:26)
I forget, is one of Dr Dr Bill's degrees in biology?

Well pointed out. It highlights the hypocrisy in Holloway's very first sentence:
     
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We’ve all noticed the ID critics all speak outside of their realm of expertise.

And they all think they can overthrow an entire field of science in which practically none of them have any expertise.

DrBot carpets Holloway:  
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none appear to deal at all with the mathematical underpinnings of algorithms
So MCC isn’t a mathematician then?

My PhD was in computer science as well but I didn’t do much on mathematical underpinnings. Comp Sci is quite broad as a field, some of my research was in practical applications for AI and evolutionary algorithms with an emphasis on hardware.  
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I believe it is still fair for me to say he is speaking outside of his realm of expertise when he critiques Dembski’s use of the NFLT.
Don’t forget, we are talking about evolutionary biology and computer science. Dembski is a mathematician and a philosopher, not a biologist or a computer scientist.  
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It is commonly noted that when smart people achieve expertise in a certain area, they suddenly think they are experts in many others, even when lacking the necessary knowledge.
Indeed!


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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,05:04   

The New Republic has an interesting article.  It's title is, "What Rick Perry and 10 Year Olds Have in Common", but it's really not about politics.

Briefly, pre-teen children almost invariably do not believe in evolution.  Specifically:      
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According to a 2001 study in Cognitive Psychology, until the age of 11, even children from non-fundamentalist communities rarely believe in evolution, regardless of their family’s beliefs.  kids from age 5 to 7 were equally likely to believe in the theories of “spontaneous generation” as they were biblical creationism. Kids from ages 8 to 10, for their part, overwhelmingly ditched spontaneous generation, but in favor of creationism, not evolution. Only at the age of 11 did kids start adhering to evolution. So why do those younger kids naturally veer away from evolution?

Why?
   
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...because the theory is harder for them to understand. For the youngest children studied, the theory that everything just sort of happened—spontaneous generation—is the most intuitive. As the study notes, those kids’ understanding of biology is limited to birth and growth, but not why or how they happen. As children get older, they begin to develop a curiosity about “what purpose is served by their existence.” And that’s why creationism becomes attractive—it provides a design and a designer. Only once they get older do children begin to understand what their parents and teachers may be telling them about evolution.

Not a surprise, really.

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,05:10   

Quote (JLT @ Aug. 23 2011,04:43)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Aug. 23 2011,06:18)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 23 2011,16:26)
I forget, is one of Dr Dr Bill's degrees in biology?

Well pointed out. It highlights the hypocrisy in Holloway's very first sentence:
     
Quote
We’ve all noticed the ID critics all speak outside of their realm of expertise.

And they all think they can overthrow an entire field of science in which practically none of them have any expertise.

The problem is that they think they do not need any expertise.
 
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One can learn the essentials of Darwinian theory and its claims in a few hours. It’s really just that shallow.

Expertise at UD:
Barry Arrington = lawer
Bornagain77 =  complete drop-out
GilDodgen = drop-out piano player, atheist's son
Bill Dembski = drop-out onetime head of an academic center
O'Leary = unclear if she has ever been involved in anything she could have dropped out, surely hasn't seen academia from the inside

BTW, is Salavador Cordova still in grad school?

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,05:11   

Quote (sparc @ Aug. 23 2011,06:45)
Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 22 2011,18:44)
A nice own goal by Eric Holloway, attacking computer scientist Mark Chu-Carroll as someone whose expertise is outside of computer science.  Very funny bits there, which Dr. Bot and Daniel King note.

Who the fuck is Eric Holloway anyway?   Is this a deep cover sock?

It seems he's the one Eric Holloway of Carolin Crocker's Amercian Institute for Technology and Science Educaction misrepresentation

ETA:
 
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Eric Holloway, Computer Scientist

Mr. Holloway is currently an officer in the Air Force, stationed in Virginia, and has been on active duty for six years (including a deployment to Afghanistan in 2010). He has a BSc from Biola and and an MSc from the Air Force Institute of Technology, both in computer science. The MSc was focused on AI with an emphasis on evolutionary algorithms and was funded by an $80k grant from the Air Force Research Lab. The work was was published in two conference proceedings, IEEE and ACM.
(emphasis mine)
Is anybodey willing to review his MSc work?

ETA 2: You'll find his publications here and here. Unfortunately, it's $15 each.



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,05:12   

Quote (sparc @ Aug. 23 2011,04:56)
DrBot carpets Holloway:        
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none appear to deal at all with the mathematical underpinnings of algorithms
So MCC isn’t a mathematician then?

My PhD was in computer science as well but I didn’t do much on mathematical underpinnings. Comp Sci is quite broad as a field, some of my research was in practical applications for AI and evolutionary algorithms with an emphasis on hardware.        
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I believe it is still fair for me to say he is speaking outside of his realm of expertise when he critiques Dembski’s use of the NFLT.
Don’t forget, we are talking about evolutionary biology and computer science. Dembski is a mathematician and a philosopher, not a biologist or a computer scientist.        
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It is commonly noted that when smart people achieve expertise in a certain area, they suddenly think they are experts in many others, even when lacking the necessary knowledge.
Indeed!

That would be cruel if it wasn't Mr. Holloway and if it wasn't on UD.

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,05:19   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 23 2011,13:04)
The New Republic has an interesting article.  It's title is, "What Rick Perry and 10 Year Olds Have in Common", but it's really not about politics.

Briefly, pre-teen children almost invariably do not believe in evolution.  Specifically:      
Quote
According to a 2001 study in Cognitive Psychology, until the age of 11, even children from non-fundamentalist communities rarely believe in evolution, regardless of their family’s beliefs.  kids from age 5 to 7 were equally likely to believe in the theories of “spontaneous generation” as they were biblical creationism. Kids from ages 8 to 10, for their part, overwhelmingly ditched spontaneous generation, but in favor of creationism, not evolution. Only at the age of 11 did kids start adhering to evolution. So why do those younger kids naturally veer away from evolution?

Why?
   
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...because the theory is harder for them to understand. For the youngest children studied, the theory that everything just sort of happened—spontaneous generation—is the most intuitive. As the study notes, those kids’ understanding of biology is limited to birth and growth, but not why or how they happen. As children get older, they begin to develop a curiosity about “what purpose is served by their existence.” And that’s why creationism becomes attractive—it provides a design and a designer. Only once they get older do children begin to understand what their parents and teachers may be telling them about evolution.

Not a surprise, really.

phhhrt city kids think milk comes from cartons and babies from behind the TV.

Not much different to where the Trobriand Islanders believed babies came from.

from wiki

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Although an understanding of reproduction and modern medicine is widespread in Trobriand Society, their traditional beliefs have been remarkably resilient. The real cause of pregnancy is always a baloma, who is inserted into or enters the body of a woman, and without whose existence a woman could not become pregnant; all babies are made or come into existence (ibubulisi) in Tuma. These tenets form the main stratum of what can be termed popular or universal belief. If you question any man, woman, or even an intelligent child, you will obtain from him or her this information. In the past, many held this traditional belief because the yam, a major food of the island, included chemicals (phytoestrogens and plant sterols) whose effects are contraceptive, so the practical link between sex and pregnancy was not very evident.[2]


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