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fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2015,19:51    Quote (stevestory @ May 07 2015,12:03) Quote (Learned Hand @ May 07 2015,01:00)   Quote (fnxtr @ May 06 2015,22:24) If I had the inclination to waste photons over there, I'd ask what they make of my friend with CAIS, Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.  She* had testes where her ovaries were supposed to be, a vagina but no uterus. Is she a boy or a girl? *for simplicity. That kind of complexity wouldn't map cleanly to their intuitions and preconceptions. That would put very unwelcome pressure on their attempt to ground all morality in those intuitions. So I think they'd want to simplify the situation by defining her as whatever gender she most closely resembles. If she couldn't be easily pigeonholed as female, they'd want to shrink and limit the exception as much as possible. I would lay money the answer you'd get is "She's a female with birth defects". They'd declare chromosomes to be the acid test. ...in that particular case. If the chromosomes were botched, they'd declare sex characteristics to be the obvious acid test. It's all Special Pleading, case-by-case, by morons. In all the time I've known her I've never considered the chromosomal aspect... I should ask.  I suspect androgen insensitivity means there is actually androgen being produced, though... eta so I just asked. waiting for reply. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2015,20:35    Duh!  Just Duh!   Quote In the comments eigenstate pulls Haldane’s famous “rabbit in the Cambrian” out of his hat. I will address that here: Everyone knows there are no rabbit fossils in the strata that have been labeled “Cambrian.” First, eigen’s sputtering to the contrary notwithstanding, the primary reason a stratum would be called “Cambrian” in the first place is because of the absence of rabbit fossils. Set that aside for the moment and consider this. The fact that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian strata is a datum. It is a datum for evolutionary theory; it is a datum for young earth creationists; it is a datum for ID proponents. It is a fact on the ground in the same way that people are stuck to the earth with a force of 1G is a fact on the ground. Saying “a rabbit in a Cambrian stratum would destroy Darwinism” is equivalent to saying “if people start floating off into space it would destroy general relativity.” Well, people are not floating off into space and they are not about to. No rabbits have been found in the Cambrian strata and none ever will be. Haldane’s observation amounts to nothing more than “if the facts were different the theory to explain those facts would have to be different too.” It is trivially true and singularly unhelpful. Lord help me, I try to underestimate Barry, but I'm just not capable.  And UD is the flagship of ID and Barry is its Captain! Link: In the "Berlinski’s Question Remains Unanswered" thread.  iPad is acting up again.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2015,21:11    Quote (CeilingCat @ May 07 2015,20:35) Duh!  Just Duh!     Quote In the comments eigenstate pulls Haldane’s famous “rabbit in the Cambrian” out of his hat. I will address that here: Everyone knows there are no rabbit fossils in the strata that have been labeled “Cambrian.” First, eigen’s sputtering to the contrary notwithstanding, the primary reason a stratum would be called “Cambrian” in the first place is because of the absence of rabbit fossils. Set that aside for the moment and consider this. The fact that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian strata is a datum. It is a datum for evolutionary theory; it is a datum for young earth creationists; it is a datum for ID proponents. It is a fact on the ground in the same way that people are stuck to the earth with a force of 1G is a fact on the ground. Saying “a rabbit in a Cambrian stratum would destroy Darwinism” is equivalent to saying “if people start floating off into space it would destroy general relativity.” Well, people are not floating off into space and they are not about to. No rabbits have been found in the Cambrian strata and none ever will be. Haldane’s observation amounts to nothing more than “if the facts were different the theory to explain those facts would have to be different too.” It is trivially true and singularly unhelpful. Lord help me, I try to underestimate Barry, but I'm just not capable.  And UD is the flagship of ID and Barry is its Captain! Link: In the "Berlinski’s Question Remains Unanswered" thread.  iPad is acting up again. Gawddamn.  I've read some stupid things from the YEC/IDiot camp over the years but that's in a class by itself.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2015,22:05    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 07 2015,21:11) Quote (CeilingCat @ May 07 2015,20:35) Duh!  Just Duh!       Quote In the comments eigenstate pulls Haldane’s famous “rabbit in the Cambrian” out of his hat. I will address that here: Everyone knows there are no rabbit fossils in the strata that have been labeled “Cambrian.” First, eigen’s sputtering to the contrary notwithstanding, the primary reason a stratum would be called “Cambrian” in the first place is because of the absence of rabbit fossils. Set that aside for the moment and consider this. The fact that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian strata is a datum. It is a datum for evolutionary theory; it is a datum for young earth creationists; it is a datum for ID proponents. It is a fact on the ground in the same way that people are stuck to the earth with a force of 1G is a fact on the ground. Saying “a rabbit in a Cambrian stratum would destroy Darwinism” is equivalent to saying “if people start floating off into space it would destroy general relativity.” Well, people are not floating off into space and they are not about to. No rabbits have been found in the Cambrian strata and none ever will be. Haldane’s observation amounts to nothing more than “if the facts were different the theory to explain those facts would have to be different too.” It is trivially true and singularly unhelpful. Lord help me, I try to underestimate Barry, but I'm just not capable.  And UD is the flagship of ID and Barry is its Captain! Link: In the "Berlinski’s Question Remains Unanswered" thread.  iPad is acting up again. Gawddamn.  I've read some stupid things from the YEC/IDiot camp over the years but that's in a class by itself.   :O It's a particularly stupid rendition of the common creationist notion that since evolution must be false (because Jesus), it passing every test must mean that it's unfalsifiable.  The idea that passing all those tests means it might be true is too much of an existential horror to contemplate. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,00:08    Quote (fnxtr @ May 07 2015,17:51)   Quote (stevestory @ May 07 2015,12:03)     Quote (Learned Hand @ May 07 2015,01:00)     Quote (fnxtr @ May 06 2015,22:24) If I had the inclination to waste photons over there, I'd ask what they make of my friend with CAIS, Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.  She* had testes where her ovaries were supposed to be, a vagina but no uterus. Is she a boy or a girl? *for simplicity. That kind of complexity wouldn't map cleanly to their intuitions and preconceptions. That would put very unwelcome pressure on their attempt to ground all morality in those intuitions. So I think they'd want to simplify the situation by defining her as whatever gender she most closely resembles. If she couldn't be easily pigeonholed as female, they'd want to shrink and limit the exception as much as possible. I would lay money the answer you'd get is "She's a female with birth defects". They'd declare chromosomes to be the acid test. ...in that particular case. If the chromosomes were botched, they'd declare sex characteristics to be the obvious acid test. It's all Special Pleading, case-by-case, by morons. In all the time I've known her I've never considered the chromosomal aspect... I should ask.  I suspect androgen insensitivity means there is actually androgen being produced, though... eta so I just asked. waiting for reply. Verbatim:   Quote Well, they're XY, and they say "ok, we don't pick up androgens, so we're going to skip all that that muscle building/body hair/external genitalia kind of thing (and apparently temperature regulation is not involved either, which makes me think that's why I get cold so quickly when I'm sitting still) -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,02:19    Quote (CeilingCat @ May 07 2015,20:35) Duh!  Just Duh!       Quote In the comments eigenstate pulls Haldane’s famous “rabbit in the Cambrian” out of his hat. I will address that here: Everyone knows there are no rabbit fossils in the strata that have been labeled “Cambrian.” First, eigen’s sputtering to the contrary notwithstanding, the primary reason a stratum would be called “Cambrian” in the first place is because of the absence of rabbit fossils. Set that aside for the moment and consider this. The fact that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian strata is a datum. It is a datum for evolutionary theory; it is a datum for young earth creationists; it is a datum for ID proponents. It is a fact on the ground in the same way that people are stuck to the earth with a force of 1G is a fact on the ground. Saying “a rabbit in a Cambrian stratum would destroy Darwinism” is equivalent to saying “if people start floating off into space it would destroy general relativity.” Well, people are not floating off into space and they are not about to. No rabbits have been found in the Cambrian strata and none ever will be. Haldane’s observation amounts to nothing more than “if the facts were different the theory to explain those facts would have to be different too.” It is trivially true and singularly unhelpful. Lord help me, I try to underestimate Barry, but I'm just not capable.  And UD is the flagship of ID and Barry is its Captain! Link: In the "Berlinski’s Question Remains Unanswered" thread.  iPad is acting up again. So Barry is convinced all fossil species that possibly migh be found in the Cambrian strata already have been found? Great that he is such a firm believer in the predicitive power of palaeontology. (Tiktaalik is another examle of the same) Although I wonder why he is so certain the creator could not have made rabbits, monkeys and other surprises for us in the Cambrian? Barry knows the mind of the creator? And trust common descent and nested hierarchies? -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,02:47    While there are threads at UD mentioning a poster going by the name of Aurelio Smith, there is now not a single trace of any comment. Must be a glitch.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,06:03    I'll bet Winston Ewert will remember him.  If not, he'll certainly wonder where all those intellectual bruises came from.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,06:28    Zachriel: You don’t soak your computer to model a rain storm. Mung: You might if you wanted to observe the effects so that you could better model them. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-563386 -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,06:47    Quote (Zachriel @ May 08 2015,06:28) Zachriel: You don’t soak your computer to model a rain storm. Mung: You might if you wanted to observe the effects so that you could better model them. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-563386 Wasn't there something about flight simulation by throwing computers out of planes at UD? By GilDodgen, Corny Hunter, or DaveScot? -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,08:15    Quote (CeilingCat @ May 07 2015,20:35) Duh!  Just Duh!     Quote In the comments eigenstate pulls Haldane’s famous “rabbit in the Cambrian” out of his hat. I will address that here: Everyone knows there are no rabbit fossils in the strata that have been labeled “Cambrian.” First, eigen’s sputtering to the contrary notwithstanding, the primary reason a stratum would be called “Cambrian” in the first place is because of the absence of rabbit fossils. Set that aside for the moment and consider this. The fact that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian strata is a datum. It is a datum for evolutionary theory; it is a datum for young earth creationists; it is a datum for ID proponents. It is a fact on the ground in the same way that people are stuck to the earth with a force of 1G is a fact on the ground. Saying “a rabbit in a Cambrian stratum would destroy Darwinism” is equivalent to saying “if people start floating off into space it would destroy general relativity.” Well, people are not floating off into space and they are not about to. No rabbits have been found in the Cambrian strata and none ever will be. Haldane’s observation amounts to nothing more than “if the facts were different the theory to explain those facts would have to be different too.” It is trivially true and singularly unhelpful. Lord help me, I try to underestimate Barry, but I'm just not capable.  And UD is the flagship of ID and Barry is its Captain! Link: In the "Berlinski’s Question Remains Unanswered" thread.  iPad is acting up again. Sadly, they don't even realize that this neatly destroys any privileged planet notions. It's not surprising. They just say things to get out of a pickle without thinking about the further implications of what they say. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,08:44    Quote (sparc @ May 08 2015,06:47) Quote (Zachriel @ May 08 2015,06:28) Zachriel: You don’t soak your computer to model a rain storm. Mung: You might if you wanted to observe the effects so that you could better model them. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-563386 Wasn't there something about flight simulation by throwing computers out of planes at UD? By GilDodgen, Corny Hunter, or DaveScot? That was GilDodgen. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,08:46    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 07 2015,21:11) Quote (CeilingCat @ May 07 2015,20:35) Duh!  Just Duh!       Quote In the comments eigenstate pulls Haldane’s famous “rabbit in the Cambrian” out of his hat. I will address that here: Everyone knows there are no rabbit fossils in the strata that have been labeled “Cambrian.” First, eigen’s sputtering to the contrary notwithstanding, the primary reason a stratum would be called “Cambrian” in the first place is because of the absence of rabbit fossils. Set that aside for the moment and consider this. The fact that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian strata is a datum. It is a datum for evolutionary theory; it is a datum for young earth creationists; it is a datum for ID proponents. It is a fact on the ground in the same way that people are stuck to the earth with a force of 1G is a fact on the ground. Saying “a rabbit in a Cambrian stratum would destroy Darwinism” is equivalent to saying “if people start floating off into space it would destroy general relativity.” Well, people are not floating off into space and they are not about to. No rabbits have been found in the Cambrian strata and none ever will be. Haldane’s observation amounts to nothing more than “if the facts were different the theory to explain those facts would have to be different too.” It is trivially true and singularly unhelpful. Lord help me, I try to underestimate Barry, but I'm just not capable.  And UD is the flagship of ID and Barry is its Captain! Link: In the "Berlinski’s Question Remains Unanswered" thread.  iPad is acting up again. Gawddamn.  I've read some stupid things from the YEC/IDiot camp over the years but that's in a class by itself.   :O Does this mean that Barry doesn't believe in the flying priest?

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,09:20    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 08 2015,08:46) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 07 2015,21:11) Quote (CeilingCat @ May 07 2015,20:35) Duh!  Just Duh!       Quote In the comments eigenstate pulls Haldane’s famous “rabbit in the Cambrian” out of his hat. I will address that here: Everyone knows there are no rabbit fossils in the strata that have been labeled “Cambrian.” First, eigen’s sputtering to the contrary notwithstanding, the primary reason a stratum would be called “Cambrian” in the first place is because of the absence of rabbit fossils. Set that aside for the moment and consider this. The fact that there are no rabbit fossils in the Cambrian strata is a datum. It is a datum for evolutionary theory; it is a datum for young earth creationists; it is a datum for ID proponents. It is a fact on the ground in the same way that people are stuck to the earth with a force of 1G is a fact on the ground. Saying “a rabbit in a Cambrian stratum would destroy Darwinism” is equivalent to saying “if people start floating off into space it would destroy general relativity.” Well, people are not floating off into space and they are not about to. No rabbits have been found in the Cambrian strata and none ever will be. Haldane’s observation amounts to nothing more than “if the facts were different the theory to explain those facts would have to be different too.” It is trivially true and singularly unhelpful. Lord help me, I try to underestimate Barry, but I'm just not capable.  And UD is the flagship of ID and Barry is its Captain! Link: In the "Berlinski’s Question Remains Unanswered" thread.  iPad is acting up again. Gawddamn.  I've read some stupid things from the YEC/IDiot camp over the years but that's in a class by itself.   :O Does this mean that Barry doesn't believe in the flying priest? That priest didn't fly off into space - he just hung around for a bit. That makes it TOTALLY different. Like TOTALLY. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,09:21    A get out of UD free card to anyone who can identify the problem with this comment by Barry. Quote Wow Starbuck. Where did you acquire the Marvel comics-like superpower of trolling through the internet and pronouncing arguments “stupid” and “false” as if that settles the matter without the slightest nod toward an argument to support your assertion. Were you bitten by a radioactive slug? Can slugs bite? Do you always have this power or do you have to go through a painful Hulk-like metamorphosis?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,09:27    Quote (Alan Fox @ May 08 2015,02:47) While there are threads at UD mentioning a poster going by the name of Aurelio Smith, there is now not a single trace of any comment. Must be a glitch. Yes.  That glitche's name is Barry Arrington. Even the OP with Aurelio's name in the title no longer has comments by Aurelio. How strange.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,09:34    Quote (Zachriel @ May 08 2015,06:28) Zachriel: You don’t soak your computer to model a rain storm. Mung: You might if you wanted to observe the effects so that you could better model them. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-563386 I must say that "mike1962" could be usefully introduced to the concept of the analog computer, which is quite capable of modelling things without having either alogrithm or code.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,09:38    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 08 2015,09:27)   Quote (Alan Fox @ May 08 2015,02:47) While there are threads at UD mentioning a poster going by the name of Aurelio Smith, there is now not a single trace of any comment. Must be a glitch. Yes.  That glitche's name is Barry Arrington. Even the OP with Aurelio's name in the title no longer has comments by Aurelio. How strange. Do we have any useful observations on which we can base a hypothesis as to what provoked the glitch?

Kantian Naturalist Posts: 72 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,10:19    Here we're treated to the refreshing spectacle of a mediocre lawyer and a semi-literate mocking a highly accomplished neuroscientist. And yet UD is all about the science . . . as long as it's the right kind of science -- the kind that they can use to reinforce all of their dogmas and doesn't challenge them on anything.

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,10:23    Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ May 08 2015,16:19) Here we're treated to the refreshing spectacle of a mediocre lawyer and a semi-literate mocking a highly accomplished neuroscientist. Heh. Whereas phoodoo is completely unlampoonable. (Is that a word? Well, it is now!) Edited by Soapy Sam on May 08 2015,16:24 -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,10:24    Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ May 08 2015,10:19) Here we're treated to the refreshing spectacle of a mediocre lawyer and a semi-literate mocking a highly accomplished neuroscientist. And yet UD is all about the science . . . as long as it's the right kind of science -- the kind that they can use to reinforce all of their dogmas and doesn't challenge them on anything. It is simply Butthurt projection that science isn't as simple as they are. Phoodoo famously started a thread critiquing a paper on TSZ ... without having read it. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,10:28    phoodoo's stock-in-trade: 'But X just said "[insert clumsy paraphrase bearing little relation to what was actually said]"' ROFLMSLAO, oh my sides etc. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,10:36    Quote (Soapy Sam @ May 08 2015,10:28) phoodoo's stock-in-trade: 'But X just said "[insert clumsy paraphrase bearing little relation to what was actually said]"' ROFLMSLAO, oh my sides etc. Phoodoo is dishonest, EVEN FOR IDers. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,12:22    Quote Mike ScuricMay 8, 2015 at 11:18 am Your comment is awaiting moderation. Barry, I think that there might be a glitch with the UD site. I remember reading numerous comments by Aurelio Smith. However, it now appears that all of the comments that he ever posted have all been accidentally deleted. Anybody care to place a wager as to whether this comment ever gets past moderation?

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,12:48    KF is a witness to levitation:     Quote 26 kairosfocus May 7, 2015 at 10:50 am DS, I spoke to the pattern that WJM described, one that is familiar to me — starting with having had to deal with Marxists decades ago; later I learned they were not only doing courses but sitting exams in activism, including selling the party newspaper. Something that both amazed me and suddenly made a lot of things that had seemed odd chillingly clear. When it comes to what is called paranormal phenomena, I can speak as a witness in many ways. One particular case about a year past was semi-public levitation, pinned down by another liberating power, and leading to rescue and deliverance. I see no in principle reason why spoons cannot be bent by such means, similarly in contexts where no credible possibility of trickery obtains. There are more things in heaven and on earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy. KF He's losing it in front of our eyes. Link: http://www.uncommondescent.com/science....ialists

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,13:01    Quote (CeilingCat @ May 08 2015,12:48) KF is a witness to levitation:       Quote 26 kairosfocus May 7, 2015 at 10:50 am DS, I spoke to the pattern that WJM described, one that is familiar to me — starting with having had to deal with Marxists decades ago; later I learned they were not only doing courses but sitting exams in activism, including selling the party newspaper. Something that both amazed me and suddenly made a lot of things that had seemed odd chillingly clear. When it comes to what is called paranormal phenomena, I can speak as a witness in many ways. One particular case about a year past was semi-public levitation, pinned down by another liberating power, and leading to rescue and deliverance. I see no in principle reason why spoons cannot be bent by such means, similarly in contexts where no credible possibility of trickery obtains. There are more things in heaven and on earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy. KF He's losing it in front of our eyes. Link: http://www.uncommondescent.com/science....ialists Full of FIASCO. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,14:15    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 08 2015,12:22) Quote Mike ScuricMay 8, 2015 at 11:18 am Your comment is awaiting moderation. Barry, I think that there might be a glitch with the UD site. I remember reading numerous comments by Aurelio Smith. However, it now appears that all of the comments that he ever posted have all been accidentally deleted. Anybody care to place a wager as to whether this comment ever gets past moderation? I wonder how Winston Ewert feels, knowing he is now associated with one of the most cowardly episodes in the long and cowardly history of UD. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,14:59    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 08 2015,07:22)   Quote Mike ScuricMay 8, 2015 at 11:18 am Your comment is awaiting moderation. Barry, I think that there might be a glitch with the UD site. I remember reading numerous comments by Aurelio Smith. However, it now appears that all of the comments that he ever posted have all been accidentally deleted. Anybody care to place a wager as to whether this comment ever gets past moderation? I guess it's about as likely as this comment seeing the light of day.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,15:04    Quote (midwifetoad @ May 08 2015,14:15) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 08 2015,12:22) Quote Mike ScuricMay 8, 2015 at 11:18 am Your comment is awaiting moderation. Barry, I think that there might be a glitch with the UD site. I remember reading numerous comments by Aurelio Smith. However, it now appears that all of the comments that he ever posted have all been accidentally deleted. Anybody care to place a wager as to whether this comment ever gets past moderation? I wonder how Winston Ewert feels, knowing he is now associated with one of the most cowardly episodes in the long and cowardly history of UD. Someone please invite him for an open discussion at TSZ? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2015,15:11    Quote (Alan Fox @ May 08 2015,14:59) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ May 08 2015,07:22)   Quote Mike ScuricMay 8, 2015 at 11:18 am Your comment is awaiting moderation. Barry, I think that there might be a glitch with the UD site. I remember reading numerous comments by Aurelio Smith. However, it now appears that all of the comments that he ever posted have all been accidentally deleted. Anybody care to place a wager as to whether this comment ever gets past moderation? I guess it's about as likely as this comment seeing the light of day. I get the feeling that Barry has placed all ID opponents on moderation so that he will receive no negative comments. It must be sad to be so insecure.

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