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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2016,22:37    Quote 77 Daniel KingOctober 29, 2016 at 6:27 pm bornagain77: Quote Daniel King, if you are not a Theist then, by default, you are not being ‘scientific’ but are in fact being anti-scientific. Looks like ad hominems are so ingrained in the UD community that it’s become the standard reply to any criticism. You’re not fooling anybody, except yourself. hehe

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2016,23:42    Good question! Quote Interesting. I wonder why there’s such an aversion in science to simply concede that we don’t know rather than producing wild speculations? Is it due to a fear that this admission might destroy the faith of young, impressionable minds in the Omniscience of Science? ID--as always, based upon supreme self-awareness They're never unable to say that the other side doesn't know.  And if they didn't actually know that an unperceivable being was responsible for designing life so that one cannot differentiate between common design and common descent (unless by magic numbers), they'd be the first to admit it.   No wild speculations allowed in ID! Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2016,13:28    News at her best:  Using a picture on the generation of Knockout mice to ilustrate an article about pairs of inactivated genes in yeast. As if 550,000 knockout pairs in mice were feasible in Canada alone while as of today the rest of the world just managed to produce 12,123 genes with mutated alleles in mice (source MGI). -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2016,21:47    Quote No wild speculations allowed in ID! What about tame ones?

timothya Posts: 280 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2016,22:36    Quote (sparc @ Oct. 30 2016,13:28) News at her best:  Using a picture on the generation of Knockout mice to ilustrate an article about pairs of inactivated genes in yeast. As if 550,000 knockout pairs in mice were feasible in Canada alone while as of today the rest of the world just managed to produce 12,123 genes with mutated alleles in mice (source MGI). Not sure I've got the maths right from the Quanta article. The author says that the team were testing pairwise knockouts among 4800 inessential genes and generated 550,000 deleterious tests among 23 million unique pairs of genes (I assume they performed 23 million unique pairwise tests, which is pretty impressive). On the face of it this suggests that in any 100 randomly selected pairs of inessential genes, knockout is likely to be deleterious in roughly two cases. Seems pretty low to me - though if the genes are "inessential", then a low number is presumably to be expected. Also, 23 million variants is surely a tiny fraction of the total possible number of gene pairings among 4800 loci. Isn't that 2 to the power of 4800? Which is a number too big for my calculator to handle. The article is extremely interesting in all respects. O'Leary's specious misrepresentation of the science is not. -------------- "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." Anatole France

timothya Posts: 280 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2016,01:00    I'm an idiot. of course it isn't 2^4800, it is 4800P2, which is, guess what, 23 million. So evidently the team did test all possible pairwise permutations. Very impressive work and clearly an important body of knowledge. -------------- "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." Anatole France

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2016,14:04    Quote (timothya @ Oct. 31 2016,01:00) I'm an idiot. of course it isn't 2^4800, it is 4800P2, which is, guess what, 23 million. So evidently the team did test all possible pairwise permutations. Very impressive work and clearly an important body of knowledge. It takes more to be an IDiot. Rule #1: Never admit an error. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2016,22:12    Error... Error... Error...

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2016,04:30    there was a recent event where Bob O'H caught bornagain in a simple error, and bornagain flipped out and simply couldn't admit it. It was funny to watch, because I am a bad person.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2016,11:12    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 01 2016,04:30) there was a recent event where Bob O'H caught bornagain in a simple error, and bornagain flipped out and simply couldn't admit it. It was funny to watch, because I am a bad person. link -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2016,18:22    Batshit77 finds a fellow Enlightened Being to channel:       Quote ,,, the question, rather, is why things don’t fall completely apart — as they do, in fact, at the moment of death. What power holds off that moment — precisely for a lifetime, and not a moment longer? Remember, you have to explain why your body runs precisely as long as you live.  Precisely!  Not one minute longer or shorter! Link

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2016,21:23    Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 01 2016,18:22) Batshit77 finds a fellow Enlightened Being to channel:         Quote ,,, the question, rather, is why things don’t fall completely apart — as they do, in fact, at the moment of death. What power holds off that moment — precisely for a lifetime, and not a moment longer? Remember, you have to explain why your body runs precisely as long as you live.  Precisely!  Not one minute longer or shorter! Link The tide goes in.  The tide goes out... -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2016,10:21    Quote (Texas Teach @ Nov. 01 2016,21:23)   Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 01 2016,18:22) Batshit77 finds a fellow Enlightened Being to channel:             Quote ,,, the question, rather, is why things don’t fall completely apart — as they do, in fact, at the moment of death. What power holds off that moment — precisely for a lifetime, and not a moment longer? Remember, you have to explain why your body runs precisely as long as you live.  Precisely!  Not one minute longer or shorter! Link The tide goes in.  The tide goes out... I'm reminded of Jennifer Tilly's character Vicki in the movie Let It Ride. Vicki's sugar daddy is talking her up to Dreyfuss' character Trotter ...   Quote Sugar Daddy: She has very long legs. Vicki: Thanks. Vicki (to Trotter as she adjusts her tight little red dress): They go from my ass all the way to the floor ... my legs. Equally inexplicable. -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2016,12:22    Re "They go from my ass all the way to the floor ... my legs." Convenient, isn't it?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2016,13:54    Mullings is starting a new series of OPs to rank right up there with his FYI/FTR (unless they are just the revival of an old classic). The new ones are prefaced with BTB, for Back to Basics. If I had author privileges over there, I would start a series of OPs to counter his. The titles would all start with "WTF...".

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2016,14:00    It's fun to watch KF babbling on and on, invoking "trillions" of examples of what he self-servingly defines to be designed.  See, if we just use a definition of "the designed" that includes life, it includes life!  Trillions of examples of life!   Why can't you get that, you evil, denialist materialists?  Trillions! Uh, yeah, KF, if you come up with arbitrary (with respect to evidence, rather than to ID desires) shit that defines life as designed you end up with trillions of examples of design.  Quadrillions, even.  Quintillions.  I don't know how far we can go with prefixes, but why stop with trillions?  We wanted, you know, an honest reason to include life as designed. Multiplying zero by trillions, or more, doesn't do a damned thing to improve the "evidence," you idiot. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2016,14:23    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 02 2016,12:22) Re "They go from my ass all the way to the floor ... my legs." Convenient, isn't it? And they say we're not designed!

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2016,16:08    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 02 2016,11:54) Mullings is starting a new series of OPs to rank right up there with his FYI/FTR (unless they are just the revival of an old classic). The new ones are prefaced with BTB, for Back to Basics. If I had author privileges over there, I would start a series of OPs to counter his. The titles would all start with "WTF...". I'd go with SSDD: Same Shit Different Day.  It's all FIASCO re-runs. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2016,21:46    Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2016,00:08) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 02 2016,11:54) Mullings is starting a new series of OPs to rank right up there with his FYI/FTR (unless they are just the revival of an old classic). The new ones are prefaced with BTB, for Back to Basics. If I had author privileges over there, I would start a series of OPs to counter his. The titles would all start with "WTF...". I'd go with SSDD: Same Shit Different Day.  It's all FIASCO re-runs. Wot no more invasion maps? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,05:48    Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 02 2016,21:46) Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2016,00:08) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 02 2016,11:54) Mullings is starting a new series of OPs to rank right up there with his FYI/FTR (unless they are just the revival of an old classic). The new ones are prefaced with BTB, for Back to Basics. If I had author privileges over there, I would start a series of OPs to counter his. The titles would all start with "WTF...". I'd go with SSDD: Same Shit Different Day.  It's all FIASCO re-runs. Wot no more invasion maps? Not unless we can calculate their FIASC/O -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,11:19    Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 03 2016,13:48) Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 02 2016,21:46) Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2016,00:08)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 02 2016,11:54) Mullings is starting a new series of OPs to rank right up there with his FYI/FTR (unless they are just the revival of an old classic). The new ones are prefaced with BTB, for Back to Basics. If I had author privileges over there, I would start a series of OPs to counter his. The titles would all start with "WTF...". I'd go with SSDD: Same Shit Different Day.  It's all FIASCO re-runs. Wot no more invasion maps? Not unless we can calculate their FIASC/O Oh well that should be easy. Just take the percieved difference between a photo of Mt Rushmore and a rock, multiply it by the DaveTard number on a Saturday of the photoshopped photo of some marines that aren't allowed to pray. Then divide that number by the number of parts in a fishing reel (preferably a Penn Bait Caster) then power the derivative to the flagellum's Behe equivalence to an outboard. Whew! Next boil the whole thing down in an electric wok until all the Dembskis are released and you sholud have ....um a Sunday School flee market bookstall full of useless ID books. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,11:49    Don't forget the height of the tower of babble, in cubits.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,13:11    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 02 2016,13:54) Mullings is starting a new series of OPs to rank right up there with his FYI/FTR (unless they are just the revival of an old classic). The new ones are prefaced with BTB, for Back to Basics. If I had author privileges over there, I would start a series of OPs to counter his. The titles would all start with "WTF...". Back to basics? Other meanings for the abbrevation BtB do fit much better. Just read it as "Better than Beer" and KF's babbling gains a completely new level of significance. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,14:30    Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 02 2016,21:46)   Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2016,00:08)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 02 2016,11:54) Mullings is starting a new series of OPs to rank right up there with his FYI/FTR (unless they are just the revival of an old classic). The new ones are prefaced with BTB, for Back to Basics. If I had author privileges over there, I would start a series of OPs to counter his. The titles would all start with "WTF...". I'd go with SSDD: Same Shit Different Day.  It's all FIASCO re-runs. Wot no more invasion maps? The frogs ate them.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,16:32    Mullings posts one of his WTF OPs centred on a bibliography of peer reviewed ID "research" papers. And one day later when asked if he has ever published his FIASCO nonsense in a peer reviewed journal, in the thread of another one of his WTF OPs, he makes this comment: Quote Nor, strictly do we need to appeal to the authority of a Journal or Conference Editor and peer review board to decide whether or not a discussion is sound on the merits. You can't make this shit up.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,16:54    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 03 2016,14:32) Mullings posts one of his WTF OPs centred on a bibliography of peer reviewed ID "research" papers. And one day later when asked if he has ever published his FIASCO nonsense in a peer reviewed journal, in the thread of another one of his WTF OPs, he makes this comment:   Quote Nor, strictly do we need to appeal to the authority of a Journal or Conference Editor and peer review board to decide whether or not a discussion is sound on the merits. You can't make this shit up. You can't.  But he can. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,16:59    Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2016,16:54) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 03 2016,14:32) Mullings posts one of his WTF OPs centred on a bibliography of peer reviewed ID "research" papers. And one day later when asked if he has ever published his FIASCO nonsense in a peer reviewed journal, in the thread of another one of his WTF OPs, he makes this comment:   Quote Nor, strictly do we need to appeal to the authority of a Journal or Conference Editor and peer review board to decide whether or not a discussion is sound on the merits. You can't make this shit up. You can't.  But he can. Are you suggesting that Mullings is the king of science fiction?

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,17:21    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 03 2016,16:59) Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2016,16:54) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 03 2016,14:32) Mullings posts one of his WTF OPs centred on a bibliography of peer reviewed ID "research" papers. And one day later when asked if he has ever published his FIASCO nonsense in a peer reviewed journal, in the thread of another one of his WTF OPs, he makes this comment:     Quote Nor, strictly do we need to appeal to the authority of a Journal or Conference Editor and peer review board to decide whether or not a discussion is sound on the merits. You can't make this shit up. You can't.  But he can. Are you suggesting that Mullings is the king of science fiction? Only in his own pathetic mullings. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2016,22:59    Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 03 2016,09:19) Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 03 2016,13:48)   Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 02 2016,21:46)   Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2016,00:08)     Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 02 2016,11:54) Mullings is starting a new series of OPs to rank right up there with his FYI/FTR (unless they are just the revival of an old classic). The new ones are prefaced with BTB, for Back to Basics. If I had author privileges over there, I would start a series of OPs to counter his. The titles would all start with "WTF...". I'd go with SSDD: Same Shit Different Day.  It's all FIASCO re-runs. Wot no more invasion maps? Not unless we can calculate their FIASC/O Oh well that should be easy. Just take the percieved difference between a photo of Mt Rushmore and a rock, multiply it by the DaveTard number on a Saturday of the photoshopped photo of some marines that aren't allowed to pray. Then divide that number by the number of parts in a fishing reel (preferably a Penn Bait Caster) then power the derivative to the flagellum's Behe equivalence to an outboard. Whew! Next boil the whole thing down in an electric wok until all the Dembskis are released and you sholud have ....um a Sunday School flee market bookstall full of useless ID books. You didn't convert to log2.  You will have to retake Trolling For Grades next term. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,04:25    Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2016,16:54) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 03 2016,14:32) Mullings posts one of his WTF OPs centred on a bibliography of peer reviewed ID "research" papers. And one day later when asked if he has ever published his FIASCO nonsense in a peer reviewed journal, in the thread of another one of his WTF OPs, he makes this comment:   Quote Nor, strictly do we need to appeal to the authority of a Journal or Conference Editor and peer review board to decide whether or not a discussion is sound on the merits. You can't make this shit up. You can't.  But he can. he just adds a little bit of red hering and pieces of strawmen soaked hominem. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

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