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Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,00:03   

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There is NO way to differentiate between a specific zygote AND the person it becomes.
Are you blind? You can totally tell, the person is a lot bigger for a start.

  
Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,00:17   

Nonono, you don't get it. Saying a zygote does not possess any of the features necessary to be a human is not a scientific argument.
Saying it's a "unique individual, yearning for the world"- now there's science for you.


Trolldaddy, time to go bother some other forum, as your man DS would say. Quit wasting out time with your trolling.

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A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:

"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,02:05   

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There is NO way to differentiate between a specific zygote AND the person it becomes.

   
Tom Ames



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,08:07   

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There are about 6 billion pieces of emprical evidence to suggest that a zygote represents a unique human individual.  Everyone who is or ever was was once a SPECIFIC zygote.

Uh, no. That's my point. Some people were once half a zygote. Some were once two zygotes.

Therefore, the fertilization event that forms a zygote cannot be the defining event of personhood.

How does the current population of the world relate to this observation?

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2006,04:37   

Just to divert the Thordaddy - fingers in ears - session for a second...

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I was trolling a little, I'll admit, but improvious and GCT came back with some pretty good answers.

GCT: The only problem is that homeschooling parents still have to fork over their hard-earned money to educate other people's kids. It would be much more just to only charge school taxes from people who want to send their kids to government schools.

Everybody has to fork over their hard earned money to educate other people's kids.  I don't have kids, but some of my tax dollars go towards education.  People who have 5 kids and similar income pay less in taxes than I do, so they are probably spending less on education than I am.  We, as a society, value education, and we therefore fund it.  We provide certain standards (that do indeed come from the government) that serve as benchmarks for what students need to learn.  If one wants their children to learn other things, then that person is free to homeschool.

Your alternative leads to disfunctional schools in poor areas, people who don't have kids or don't have kids in school not paying for education at all (and therefore a significant drop in education funding), and hardship for those families that have multiple kids, thus making those kids the victims of less education.

OK, you all can get back to watching Thordaddy flop around like a fish in the bottom of the boat.

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2006,06:22   

Thordaddy,

You are simply ridiculous. Can't you see that your superior intellect is pulling a Plato? You are so smart that you believe that what you think must be true so you go and figure out ways to make reality fit.

Sometimes super-intelligence can be a hinderance.

I am yearning for you baby,
Ohhhh Yeeah.
As a zygote I was yearning for you baby,
Ohhh Yeeah.

Oh I know there is a schizm
between the good guys and relativism
And somebody out there knows the truth
All lonely and aloof
But no one will listen
because its all just relativism

I am yearning for you baby,
Ohhhh Yeeah.
As a zygote I was yearning for you baby,
Ohhh Yeeah.

Who wants credibility?

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When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2006,18:26   

I began this thread by posting:
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ID is starting to meet the legal system and be obliterated. Soon creationists are going to turn to a new strategy. What will the strategy be? I have no idea. But I can tell you what I'd do, if I were them. I would create a system of creationist science classes, and tell parents it's an innoculation against the evils of Darwinism. I'd assemble a network of instructors, which would be creationists with any kind of undergrad science degree. And I'd try to get churches and rich christians to sponsor the meetings. Meetings would be once a week, an hour each time, for perhaps two months. All the creationist 'science' would be taught in those eight lessons. Privileged Planet would be shown, and maybe a tour to a Natural Sciences museum with a creationist tourguide. Since it's not official, no judge could stop me, and I would be able to give the kids creationism with both barrels, not the pussyfooting Intelligent Design business. And a lot of the program would be devoted to things like Icons of Evolution, where scientists are portayed as scheming liars. That way, when the kids do get to high school science classes, they are already suspicious of the whole thing, and find it easier to reject.

That would be my plan. what about the rest of you? What would you do?


Lo and behold:

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Because of the constitutional issues involved, creationists have begun seeking entry through schools' back doors, via the students themselves. In conferences and workshop across the country, typically held in church halls, Answers in Genesis holds training sessions for 7th to 12th graders. Many of the students who participate come from Christian schools or are home-schooled. But some parents pull their children out of public schools to attend the afternoon-long sessions, according to Mark Looy, a vice president and co-founder of Answers in Genesis.

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Glenn Branch, deputy director for the National Center of Science Education, sees it differently. "They prepare students to ask questions to embarrass teachers when talking about evolution," he said.

(from Red State Rabble)

I wasn't completely off!

   
GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2006,01:47   

Don't you hate being right sometimes?

  
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