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djmullen Posts: 327 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,00:12    The downward spiral of a scientific career: Publish "The Physics of Immortality" "My good friend Frank Tipler’s new book THE PHYSICS OF CHRISTIANITY is coming out shortly (see the listing here at Amazon.com). I’ve invited Frank to contribute to this blog about this book and any other topics of interest to him."   William Dembski "Thank you so much Bill for highlighting Tipler’s work. Even though I probably don’t agree with all his ideas, I think Frank’s contribution to ID has been invaluable. I count his book Anthropic Cosmological Prinicple as one of the 3 ID foundational books along with Thaxton’s Mystery of Life’s Origin and Denton’s Evolution a Theory in Crisis Salvador"

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,00:18    Quote ... one of the 3 ID foundational books along with ... Denton’s Evolution a Theory in Crisis Ironic considering Denton says a lot of it was wrong.

Occam's Toothbrush Posts: 555 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,04:33    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 23 2007,18:16)   Quote (phonon @ April 23 2007,17:29) Awesome! A new book about the Physics of Christianity! http://www.uncommondescent.com/philosophy/frank-tiplers-new-book/ So E no longer equals M C-squared . . . . . ? Apparently you didn't get the memo, it's really E = God. It's the science equivalent of solving algebraic equations by multiplying both sides by zero. -------------- "Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers ------ "You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

djmullen Posts: 327 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,05:22    Found an interesting tidbit on O'Leary's religious beliefs:   Quote Note: My lack of experience with unusual spiritual phenomena is despite the fact that a recent Toronto Star article referred to me as a fundamentalist author. As a matter of fact, I am a Roman Catholic (since 2005) and was formerly an Anglican (Episcopalian), not what most people would think of as a fundamentalist. http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/  (Under "Spirituality: Speaking in tongues") So she's a recent convert.  That says loads for her mental and emotional stability.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,05:27    Quote (stevestory @ April 23 2007,20:29) Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 23 2007,14:25)       Quote Bill, Who knows or cares about the “American Scientific Affiliation”? Why have you been wasting your time chasing down the opinions of picayune advocacy groups and reacting to every little news article on social controversies related to ID? You are better than this. Please, please get back to writing books, papers and articles on the mathematical and scientific underpinnings of Intelligent Design. Holy crap. That guy's going to get banned so hard, there's going to be a dent in the BAN button. Nah, Stu Harris is Gil Dodgen's cousin.  If Dembski banned him, he might lose Gil's scintillating contributions to the blog. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,08:53    Hahahaha, the witch flips tardburgers for breakfast. Take that Richard you warlock!   -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,09:43    Mrs Greenface Wartynose said: Quote Hahahaha! I e-mailed the editor of The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy with my little idea and received this reply: "Dear Kristine, This page has been put up without consulting us in any way. It may in fact be in violation of Stanford rules for the use of its seal and logo, as the seal/logo implies this page has Stanford's official seal of approval. We will try to get the author of the page to take it down. All the best, Yours, Ed" Whooo, Kelly Tripplehorn, in your face, dude! Better get working on your "No, I wasn't told to take my site down" press release. You don't want your ex Michelle and me cackling about you. I see you have used your demonic powers for good. This once. But I'm watching you, and the angry villagers with assorted crude farm implements are right behind me. erm. well done. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,12:40    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ April 23 2007,18:16) Quote (phonon @ April 23 2007,17:29) Awesome! A new book about the Physics of Christianity! http://www.uncommondescent.com/philosophy/frank-tiplers-new-book/ So E no longer equals M C-squared . . . . . ? Not anymore, but God = one cubed. (Doh, got beaten to the punch.) -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,13:01    Dumbski [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/did-the-premier-organization-of-christians-in-science-really-choose-to-target-fellow-chris tians-instead-of-materialism-in-science-apparently-so/#comment-117685]says[/URL] Quote To ASA list members and sympathizers who feel compelled to respond to this post: Watch your step. If you must insult Denyse, do it on your own forum. I shall be monitoring this thread especially closely, and am ready to boot anyone at the least provocation. Let me repeat that Quote am ready to boot anyone at the least provocation No Shit Dr D! Shame you are not read to write a scientific paper "at the least provocation" or finish that $100,000 book "at the least provocation". Odd huh? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,14:24    Hahahaha! This is the end! Quote Did the premier organization of Christians in science really choose to target fellow Christians instead of materialism in science? Apparently so. Dr. D, man, you've already provided Denyse's answer, in your "Christian Theodicy" paper! (Sorry, Albatrossity2.) Quote Mainstream Christian theology used to explain the origin of evil as follows: Evil is the result of a will that has turned against God. Just why a will should turn against God, however, is a profound mystery (2 Thessalonians 2:7 refers to “the mystery of iniquity”). Since everything is created by God, a will that turns against God is also created by God. But a good God presumably created a good will. How, then, could a good will turn against God? I’m not sure that any final answer can be given to this question. Invoking freedom of the will is little help here. To be sure, freedom of the will contains within it the logical possibility of a will turning against God. But why should a good will created by a good God exercise its freedom in that way (for instance, Christian theology teaches that there are good angels whose wills never turned against God)? Ha! Ha! Ha! Thus, the good ASA cannot create evil! It is attacking evil! Those darn YECs have a will that turned against the ASA. Now, you may ask how the ASA could have members with a rebellious will to turn against the ASA. It's a profound mystery. But the point is, the evil resulting from the YEC rebellion is certainly not the ASA's fault! The YECs have sinned! (Oh - they think a (female) atheist can't out-theologize them, do they?) And who needs to insult Denyse? She insults herself. Bill needs to give his boot a rest and reboot her. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,14:35    Quote (Kristine @ April 24 2007,14:24) Ha! Ha! Ha! Thus, the good ASA cannot create evil! It is attacking evil! Those darn YECs have a will that turned against the ASA. Now, you may ask how the ASA could have members with a rebellious will to turn against the ASA. It's a profound mystery. But the point is, the evil resulting from the YEC rebellion is certainly not the ASA's fault! The YECs have sinned! Oww!  I will need to smack myself with a bioinformatics textbook for a couple of hours before I can understand stuff at that level of thinking! I know there was a reason that they called it Theo-idiocy... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,14:50    New challenge to the warlock!   -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,15:44    [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/did-the-premier-organization-of-christians-in-science-really-choose-to-target-fellow-chris tians-instead-of-materialism-in-science-apparently-so/#comment-117730]http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-117730[/URL] Quote 18 Rude 04/24/2007 3:21 pm Mike 1962 @ 12 Quote I know I’m a dolt, and it is a bit off topic (but question spawned by the topic), but would someone please explain (in a way an 8 year old could understand) what the difference between a TEer and an IDer is? Well, I’m pretty close to your 8 year old, and it seems to me that the TEer loudly proclaims his belief in God and demands that God leave no fingerprints in the cosmos, whereas the IDer makes no claims about God (when he’s wearing his ID hat) but is open to detecting design in nature. emphasis mine. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,15:54    DaveTard Blurts (from FTK's diet thread) https://www2.blogger.com/comment....5815136 Quote DaveScot said... -2, -37 Last Monday when I was down 7 was probably due to some dehydration and the week before when I was down only 1 was probably due to some hydration (too much salty food on Easter Sunday). I was up as much as 2 earlier this week. The average of the last 3 weeks is -3 each week which is about right for the caloric intake and activity level. I've got some really good advice for anyone with osteoarthritus. Strength training really helps a lot. Last summer I injured a shoulder and after a few months it wasn't improved a whole lot and the pain was still causing me to lose sleep. So I went to my GP and got an x-ray. When he looked at the x-ray he said it was all messed up with osteoarthritic damage and recommended I go to an orthopedic specialist for therapy. I didn't and the pain kept subsiding over the next three months at least to the point where I wasn't waking up at night from pain. When I began weight training a couple weeks ago bench presses were really killing that shoulder and I was forced to use a pathetically small weight. Improvement has been rapid and I'm now working out with close to the weight I was using at the end of a 3-month program 7 years ago with no pain at all other than normal pain from over-exertion. Last year a friend my age with OA hired a top-notch trainer to get him back in shape and my friend was also leary of weightlifting causing it to get worse but his trainer shrugged and said don't worry about it, your joint pain will go away as the muscle and tendon strength increases. The trainer was right and his results were amazing. I'm seeing the same result. Weight training might not cure osteoarthritus but it dramatically lessens the associated pain. Now I've got an elbow that's bugging me doing tricep pulldowns and backed way off on the maximum weight looking for the same kind of result. My knee injury is much improved and I can walk my 18-month old Anatolian Shepherd a couple miles every day without a noticeable limp. I need to add a leg workout every other day and see if my knees and hips improve like my shoulder did. Speaking of Anatolian Shepherds I have to highly recommend the breed. They're fiercely protective against strange people and animals but are gentle, calm, obedient, lovable lugs with those they know if they're raised with firm boundaries so they don't become dominant. My wife was clipping his nails one time and halfway through clipped one too short - blood squirted out and he yelped but still calmly let her finish clipping the rest. Our little wire hair terrier on the other hand needs to be muzzled and have one person holding him down while the other clips. People tend to let little dogs get away with lot more because they're little and our is no exception. Anatolian Shepherds are really easy to live with preferring to lie around in alert but quiet observation of the territory they guard. This article describes their working behavior very well. This is very unlike our female Doberman who's constantly moving and prancing around like an antelope chasing bugs and shadows. She's bad news for a lawn - wearing out the grass to bare dirt around the perimeter and digging holes all over the place. Also unlike the Anatolian she's very friendly towards strangers which isn't really typical for Dobies. As I write this the shepherd's lying at my feet with a Kong ball waiting for me to play catch. Kong balls are supposed to be nearly indestructable and cost $10 each but he manages to destroy one per month which is almost as much as his dog chow costs. We used to keep tennis balls around but those have a life expectancy of about 3 days before being bitten in half. I can't imagine the strength of that bite - these dogs are said to fight with and drive off bears to protect their flocks. I believe it. Kong balls are too heavy to float so we use tennis balls only for water retrieval at the lake now. He loves to swim but only as long as there's a ball involved and is fun to watch launching himself off the end of the dock at full speed to fetch one. Our Dobie on the other hand loves to swim just for the pleasure of chasing ducks or absent any ducks chasing the reflections on the waves but isn't at all interested in fetching anything. But she really loves to interfere with the Anatolian fetching a ball. She chases after him chasing a ball, catches him and latches onto his collar, and makes him drag her in order to return the ball to me. Typical female - a guy just trying to do his job and she just has to make an attention getting nuisance of herself while he's doing it. ;-) He puts up with it for the most part but occasionally gives her a withering glare that makes her back off a few feet momentarily. It's fun watching them play. They grew up together and since puppies have used their long jaws like fencing swords with each other. You hear their teeth clicking hard as they parry and it makes me cringe as it sounds like they're going to break a tooth but evidently they're expert at controlling it and no one ever gets hurt. Wow - what a JADesque descent into boring irrelevance. Pitty the lonely old fool. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,15:57    Quote (Richardthughes @ April 24 2007,15:44) Well, I’m pretty close to your 8 year old, and it seems to me that the TEer loudly proclaims his belief in God and demands that God leave no fingerprints in the cosmos, whereas the IDer makes no claims about God (when he’s wearing his ID hat) but is open to detecting design in nature. emphasis mine. ID hat pictured below -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,19:26    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 24 2007,15:57) I don't recognize the pictured ID scientist.... must be a new DI Fellow.  Could this be Dr. Michael Egnor? Or, could it be one of the most excellent "regulars" at UD?  Could it be TroutMac?   Come on down, and let's play Name That ID Proponent! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,19:29    Quote (J-Dog @ April 24 2007,19:26) I don't recognize the pictured ID scientist.... must be a new DI Fellow.  Could this be Dr. Michael Egnor? Or, could it be one of the most excellent "regulars" at UD?  Could it be TroutMac?   Come on down, and let's play Name That ID Proponent! Well, the image comes from a "raptureready" site, so I suspect it is Cordova... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2007,20:46    Uncommonly Denyse now:     Quote Did the premier organization of Christians in science really choose to target fellow Christians instead of materialism in science? Apparently so. O'Leary ...Since I am here anyway, here is some advice for Christians troubled in faith: Stay away from all Darwinists of whatever type, whether they claim to be Christians, “from a Christian background,” or “from a fundamentalist background.” Do not concern yourself at present about the age of the Earth. You are immortal; the Earth is not. Join a serious church and ask for a godly pastoral counsellor. Find a committed fellowship group, and avoid obvious occasions of sin. Pray and read the Bible daily. Study the lives of the saints and follow godly examples. Practice charity with everyone you meet. Repeat daily as long as you live. And a DS classic last year:     Quote The topic and purpose of this weblog is to instruct and promote the intelligent design work of Bill Dembski in particular and the ID movement in general. We are trying to convince that world that ID is based on math, science, and logic. While the implications tend to attract religious devotees in large number ID is not about religion. I consider atheism to be a contrarian religion and ID offends them as one might expect of anything that pleases the faithful. If you want a soapbox for your favorite religion (including atheism) go somewhere else. I realize that it’s hard to divorce our innermost faith from our writing and will try to tolerate a generous amount of spillage but the bottom line is if you’re warned to ease up, ease up or the axe will fall. Not so much. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,06:30    Somewhat off topic, but one of my favorite IDiots, Joseph, makes an appearance at onegoodmove re the Richard Dawkins/Bill O'Reilly interview, with a few good replies to him if you scroll down. Apologies for pointing somewhere other than UD, but it's been very quiet there lately. Also, Phonon, I'm a bit worried by your comment about :         Quote And I'm still trying to figure out the waivers thing. I hope I haven't caused any confusion here with my initial link - I was only pointing out a silly typo that Jerry had made. Please let me know if I should expand. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.â€� We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.â€� -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,10:04    Yeah, it's pretty quiet over there. Nothing but the Shermer-Nelson debate. I wish some of these guys would come up to my neck of the woods once in a while. I'd make a tater-tot hot dish and everything! Quote Does he [Shermer] find debunking crop circles, UFOs, healing power of magnets and pyramids, mind reading, palm reading, hauntings, and things of that nature not challenging enough? I swear he’s nothing but Penn & Teller in a cheap tuxedo and not half as witty, entertaining, or willing to address a wide range of chicanery. Michael Shermer has, while touring the country promoting his new book, also skewered the "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracists. I took a serious look at the claims of a cover-up by the gov't and there's nothing there. Man, give Shermer some credit because these 9/11 conspiracists are scary. If you don't agree, you're a Bush flunkie or you're one of "them" (whoever they are - the Mossad, Amy Goodman, Bush himself, no just the people around him, the shadow government, the Illuminati, the Masons, Noam Chomsky...)   -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

slpage Posts: 349 Joined: June 2004 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,10:08    Quote (k.e @ April 19 2007,09:50) Quote (guthrie @ April 19 2007,16:21) Newsflash! Steve Fuller has a new book out soon.   on amazon The synopsis is interesting reading:   Quote Synopsis If you think Intelligent Design Theory (IDT) is merely the respectable face of Christian fundamentalism, and Evolution the only sensible scientific world-view, think again...IDT has driven science for 500 years. It was responsible for the 17th century's Scientific Revolution and helped build modern histories of physics, mathematics, genetics and social science. IDT's proponents take literally the Biblical idea that humans have been created in God's image. This confident, even arrogant, view of humanity enabled the West to triumph in the modern era. Evolution, on the other hand, derives from more ancient, even pagan, ideas about our rootedness in nature and the transience of all life forms. It has been always more popular outside the West, and until Darwin few evolutionists were scientists. What happened to reverse these two movements' fortunes? Steve Fuller's brilliant revisionist history is essential reading for anyone who wants a deeper understanding of science's most vociferous debate. Now, apart from demonstrating that Fuller has no clue about science and how it is and has been practised, it shows that at least he agrees with Judge Jones on one issue- that ID is Creationism, with a religious presupposition. I've had the 'pleasure' of listening to an interview with Fuller going on about his 'epistemology' at a great rate of knots. All with a hyper Disneyfied cheeryness overlaid with the taut smile of plastic surgeon's experiment on a goat off its chain. Hide the plastic toys, take the washing in and say goodbuy to the flower beds. The guy ...how can I put this...well, he's not afraid of talking about nothing of consequence........at great length. It was interesting to watch Fuller have his hat handed to him on Berube's blog... But, being a creationist, Fuller: 1. did not recopgnize it 2. acted condescending 3. declared victory Thats what these people do...

slpage Posts: 349 Joined: June 2004 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,10:15    Quote (blipey @ April 19 2007,11:47) Joe is the dumbest of the dumb.  All of his accumulated knowledge can be yours for only 20,000 USD.  But, if you don't have it, you're out of luck.  And this proves that he's really interested in disseminating information. Quote I am looking forward to the meeting. My list is completed. You will only see it once you give me the list I requested or $10,000. I don't give anything away for free. I liked this one: Quote I would say that few people participate on my blog because they do not want to get their ass kicked. Because, after all, Joe Gallien is a 'scientist' because he has a B.s. degree...

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,12:11    DaveTard blurts. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-117788   Quote 43 DaveScot 04/25/2007 9:04 am   Quote rrf I think it would be better for ID to take a position on the age of the earth now, rather than betray your confederate “cultural warriors” at some point later. Nothing about ID speaks to the age of the earth. This would be like demanding that biologists take a position on the origin of the moon. The origin of the moon is something that’s simply not part of biology. Similarly ID is about examining patterns and making an inference on whether they are of natural or artificial origin. The age of the earth is only tangentially related to it in that its age, in examining certain patterns, must be taken into consideration as a probabilistic resource in the formation of that pattern. In that case ID theorists usually do use the longest reasonable timespan if there’s any doubt. If an ID proponent says something like “this pattern couldn’t have formed accidently because the earth is only 6,000 years old and that’s not long enough for chance & necessity to form the pattern” then you would have a point but only against that individual and not ID. ID doesn’t speak to the age of the earth so that individual is pulling that number of years from some other source. Personally I’m convinced the age of the earth is far older than 6,000 years but it isn’t anything to do with ID that causes me to believe that. There are a great many observations of continuing processes that just can’t have produced what we see today in short spans of time. One example that comes to mind is island chains like the Hawaiian. The theory of plate tectonics tells us that the Pacific plate moves. New plate forms from upwelling at one boundary and old plate disappears downward at another boundary. In the process the hardened plate moves from one boundary to the other. Underneath the island chain is fixed hotspot where heat and pressure are great enough to penetrate the crust and cause magma to erupt (volcano). The islands are formed one by one as the plate passes over the hotspot. New islands rise high while the volcano is active and as the plate moves on the volcano becomes inactive and erosion starts wearing it down until it eventually disappears under the ocean’s surface again. We can measure how fast the plate is moving and we measure the rate of erosion. Island to island, as they move farther away from the hotspot, are more and more eroded. The erosion that has occured on the older islands can’t possibly have happened in just 6,000 years. ID offers nothing either in support or denial of that. Emphasis mine. Well, if we'd like to know the age of the moon. which seems more relevant to the thread, then it probably does effect Biology: http://www.bioone.org/perlser.....CO%3B2 is it hard holding that big tent together, you disingenuous pricks? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,13:03    DS clarifies things for the masses: Quote If an ID proponent says something like “this pattern couldn’t have formed accidently because the earth is only 6,000 years old and that’s not long enough for chance & necessity to form the pattern” then you would have a point but only against that individual and not ID. ID doesn’t speak to the age of the earth so that individual is pulling that number of years from some other source. Gee, I wonder what that "source" might be... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,13:21    HAVE I GOT YOUR ATTENTION DAVESCOT? THE TARD IS RUNNING LOW. VIOLATE SLOT FOR US DS! -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,15:46    Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2007,12:11) DaveTard blurts.   Quote 43 DaveScot 04/25/2007 9:04 am Nothing about ID speaks to the age of the earth. This would be like demanding that biologists take a position on the origin of the moon. The origin of the moon is something that’s simply not part of biology. YECreationists do take quite a strong position on the origin of the "lesser light" err.. moon.  ID creatos do as well, since it was created to make "perfect solar eclipses" acording to the anthropic wing of the cult. Edited by Dr.GH on April 25 2007,15:48 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,16:39    OE is looking to tackle its troll / traffic problem: http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe....nt-1603 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,16:47    Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2007,16:39) OE is looking to tackle its troll / traffic problem: http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe....nt-1603 Their newest user is "SuperSport" Sporty is a foam at the mouth YEC from Texas.  He nearly finished an AA degree in real estate, and pontificates all over the internet tubes. Oh! This has potential for world class tard! -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,18:18    LeeBowman quoting Columbia Tribune      Quote Columbia Medical Professor John Marshall made the case for scientific acceptance of Intelligent Design last night before 100 or so guests, and found himself taking fire from his peers for his view. Now, I know what you're going to say. Marshall is just a doctor and not an actual scientist. But that's not true! He has actual published research.  * Usefulness of a pediatric colonoscope...  * Is the variable-stiffness pediatric colonoscope more effective?  * How adequate is digital rectal exam? Admittedly, the study of colonoscopy practice is not particularly relevant to evolutionary biology, but it is important to medical science. From the Columbia Tribune article cited by LeeBowman     Quote Schmidt questioned Marshall about whether intelligent design proposes a testable prediction, as he said real scientific theory does, or if it simply says that we can’t understand everything. When Marshall would not directly answer the question, Schmidt turned and left the auditorium, saying Marshall should not "pretend to be objective." Up to 10 years ago, Marshall said he was an agnostic who believed in the theory of evolution. But in 1998, he converted to Christianity... -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2007,19:24    Quote (Zachriel @ April 25 2007,18:18)  * Usefulness of a pediatric colonoscope...  * Is the variable-stiffness pediatric colonoscope more effective?  * How adequate is digital rectal exam? I for one am not surprised.  This guy is a perfect addition to the DI crew.  Unlike Dembski, Behe and Egnor, who flounder around with their heads up their rectums, this guy has the professional expertise to handle a Full Out DI Probe I would link to a jpeg, but I don't think Steve would let me get away with it, plus, we all might want to eventually eat again, and have appetites and things like that... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

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