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Posted: May 07 2016,21:29

The showers at Auschwitz were gender neutral - KF might be on to something.

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Posted: May 07 2016,21:58

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The showers at Auschwitz were gender neutral - KF might be on to something.

There, I fixed your typo.

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Posted: May 08 2016,11:44

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How has Ziggy survived this long?

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ziggy lorencMay 8, 2016 at 9:21 am
Mr. Murray — “It would be absurd if that was the point KF was making. I believe he was making a comparison about the quick rise of fascist power and how it was achieved in Germany which followed the same pattern we are witnessing here with regards to the fracturing, polarization and internal strife deliberately generated in order to pave the way for the comfort and security of a totalitarian regime, enforced by their own version of social justice warriors and BLM activists, the Sturmabteilung, also called the Brownshirts.”

How could you possibly infer that from his comment? This entire thread has been about LGBT issues. And then, out of the blue, KF comes out with this steaming turd:

“WJM, I fear we are just beginning the REAL slide. For comparison ponder Germany 1933 and 1945 — I doubt many would have believed what would happen in 12 years. KF

Only an insensitive idiot would come out with a statement like this. The fact that you would defend it is worrisome. Over 100,000 homosexuals were rounded up and sent to concentration camps by Hitler. Forced to wear a pink triangle patch. Over half of them were executed. And now KF is drawing a parallel between fights for LGBQ rights and the lead up to the holocaust. That is as stupid as claiming that laws enacted against anti-semetism are a parallel to what led to the holocaust.

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Posted: May 08 2016,11:53

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ziggy lorencMay 7, 2016 at 9:37 pm
StephenB — “However, all of that is irrelevant. What really counts is how current students rate with respect to those who have come before them. If it is anything like the United States, their elders from decades ago were far superior in achievement.”

Then Canada (or at least, Ontario) is nothing like the US. I went through high school in the 70s. My children, a decade ago. In helping them with their homework, I can vouch that their education was more extensive and more comprehensive than mine.

Are you sure that you aren’t tally prey to the old person fallacy that things were better when you were younger? Because a rational examination of things will show that this is very seldom true.

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Posted: May 08 2016,17:10

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CLAVDIVSMay 8, 2016 at 3:12 pm
kairosfocus

Don’t patronise and condescend to me in your usual ignorant, bullying manner. You insinuate I have not given this subject much thought nor read widely upon it; both falsehoods. The principle of charity used to be supported at this site — why must you continuously trample over it with your great muddy, rhetorical boots?

In any case, in all your ~1500 word post you do not actually respond to my argument. Here it is again:

The actual sociological and economic evidence shows that all measurable dimensions of human well-bring have steadily improved over the past few hundred years, and the most improvement occurs in the secular & socially progressive states, whilst the least improvement occurs in the religious & conservative states.

Where is your evidence showing the opposite?

linky

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Posted: May 09 2016,02:55

StephenB's contributions to the general UD war on librulism are getting funnier and funnier. On being challenged to produce evidence for his claim that
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A college education today is the equivalent to a high school education in 1960 and a grade-school education in 1910

...he comes up with an eighth grade school exam* from 1885. Two sample questions:

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2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
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8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865?

and so on. He doesn't seem to have considered that these questions clearly reflect what students would have been taught in courses leading up to the exam.

StephenB appears to be unfamiliar with the concept of syllabus, and that these can change over time.

*Since beginning this comment I have found references to this all over the internets; apparently some refer to this as a college graduation paper. If anyone wants to take this up with SB at UD, Snopes provides a good commentary.

Edited by Ptaylor on May 09 2016,19:57

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Posted: May 09 2016,10:42

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*Since beginning this comment I have found references to this all over the internets; apparently some refer to this as a college graduation paper. If anyone wants to take this up with SB at UD, Snopes provides a good commentary.

... and there we find:

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1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?

For some reason, StephenB failed to cite this one at UD. Can't imagine why.

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Posted: May 09 2016,12:19

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 7:31 am
DaveS — “Yikes.

One of the few same-sex couples I know consists of two older womem, both more or less retired. They do a great deal of volunteer work and contribute to the community in many ways, including serving on the library board and helping to support local scholarship funds. They have been together in a stable relationship as long as I have known them, over 10 years.

Are they necessarily doing something wrong?”

Of course. Their behaviour will lead to another holocaust. Haven’t you been paying attention to the “truths” passed down by lord KF?

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Posted: May 09 2016,12:22

things may go nuclear soon:

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ellazimmMay 9, 2016 at 8:21 am
KF

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The perversion of means to improper ends in short. In this context, it is highly evident from human biology and requisites of development and stable nurture of children that we are designed for heterosexual, lifelong marital bonds in the course of which children are born and can be raised in a stable, nurturing environment. Further that as such are foundational to community life and human thriving, this points to the logical community and state interest in supporting such a framework. Where, we must never forget, the number one social sustainability challenge is young men, to so nurture and channel them that their energies, physical prowess and sexuality are habitually focussed on stable and productive means and ends.

Homosexuality has been around as long as recorded history. No doubt some of them were hideous and evil, just like their heterosexual fellow humans.

I’m sorry, you just sound blinkered and prejudice to me. You’ve got opinions and examples but, again, the real world data belie your stance. And I prefer to live my life with tolerance, acceptance and understanding. You seem to like to label people and treat them according to a template. I find that particularly ironic since it wasn’t that long ago that you, a black man, would have not been permitted to marry a white woman in some places because some people thought that was a ‘perversion’ of the way things should be. And some who said so thought they got their opinion from ecclesiastical sources.

Consider the person, not the dogma.

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Posted: May 09 2016,13:23

KF is now using terms like "mass bloodguilt".

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Posted: May 09 2016,13:54

velikovskys wins the internet:

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It will be part of how they will hold us an accursed generation as they try to rebuild what we so recklessly tossed burning matches on. KF

Glad to see you are concerned about climate change

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Posted: May 09 2016,17:45

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 4:38 pm
KF — “EZ, actually there is no such thing as same sex marriage.”

Not only is this an unsusported assertion, it is clearly, undeniably, factually wrong. Canada has had SSM for over a decade. Many of them carried out in Christian churches. Feel free to stick your fingers in your ears and yell “I can’t hear you. I can’t hear you.” all you want. but the rest of us grew out of the tantrum phase decades ago.

Things just go from bad to worse for Mullings. Is this what he is talking about when he refers to "on the ground stalking"?

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Posted: May 09 2016,17:50

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 4:38 pm
KF — “EZ, actually there is no such thing as same sex marriage.”

Not only is this an unsusported assertion, it is clearly, undeniably, factually wrong. Canada has had SSM for over a decade. Many of them carried out in Christian churches. Feel free to stick your fingers in your ears and yell “I can’t hear you. I can’t hear you.” all you want. but the rest of us grew out of the tantrum phase decades ago.

Things just go from bad to worse for Mullings. Is this what he is talking about when he refers to "on the ground stalking"?

And he will shut down this thread and write a separate OP with comments "off" in 5, 4, 3...

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Posted: May 09 2016,18:02

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 4:38 pm
KF — “EZ, actually there is no such thing as same sex marriage.”

Not only is this an unsusported assertion, it is clearly, undeniably, factually wrong. Canada has had SSM for over a decade. Many of them carried out in Christian churches. Feel free to stick your fingers in your ears and yell “I can’t hear you. I can’t hear you.” all you want. but the rest of us grew out of the tantrum phase decades ago.

Things just go from bad to worse for Mullings. Is this what he is talking about when he refers to "on the ground stalking"?

And he will shut down this thread and write a separate OP with comments "off" in 5, 4, 3...

Only if the apoplexy doesn't get him first.

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Posted: May 09 2016,18:23

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 4:38 pm
KF — “EZ, actually there is no such thing as same sex marriage.”

Not only is this an unsusported assertion, it is clearly, undeniably, factually wrong. Canada has had SSM for over a decade. Many of them carried out in Christian churches. Feel free to stick your fingers in your ears and yell “I can’t hear you. I can’t hear you.” all you want. but the rest of us grew out of the tantrum phase decades ago.

Things just go from bad to worse for Mullings. Is this what he is talking about when he refers to "on the ground stalking"?

And he will shut down this thread and write a separate OP with comments "off" in 5, 4, 3...

Only if the apoplexy doesn't get him first.

Ziggy really knows how to press his buttons.

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Posted: May 09 2016,18:24

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 2:29 pm
KF — “ZL, rarity is irrelevant to reality.”

Not when the absurdity of it is being used in an attempt to prove a point. Why don’t you provide us with some example of sexual acts that you think are perverse. Limit it to those that occur with a frequency that are statistically above zero. I will give you some examples that you may chose from: Oral sex? Anal sex? Role play? Threesomes? Orgies? Homosexual sex? Swapping partners?

And, for each one that you pick as being perverse, tell me whether there should be a law against it, and why?

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Posted: May 09 2016,18:29

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 4:27 pm
EZ — “I wouldn’t agree to that. And US laws (and all the laws from Western Countries) do not say that. Why do you have to bring up extreme cases?”

Because it is the only way he can justify his untenable position? Was that the right answer? What do I win?

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 4:31 pm
KF — “ZL, your problem is…”

Whenever someone starts a sentence with something as pompously arrogant as this, I stop reading. If you are willing to reword it in a civil fashion, I will respond.

Holding my breath waiting.

Actually, I am not. I am not stupid enough to expect that you are capable of being less pompously arrogant.

ziggy if you cause our chewtoy KF to stroke out we will be very mad at you :angry:

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ziggy if you cause our chewtoy KF to stroke out we will be very mad at you :angry:

Posted: May 09 2016,18:49

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 4:27 pm
EZ — “I wouldn’t agree to that. And US laws (and all the laws from Western Countries) do not say that. Why do you have to bring up extreme cases?”

Because it is the only way he can justify his untenable position? Was that the right answer? What do I win?

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 4:31 pm
KF — “ZL, your problem is…”

Whenever someone starts a sentence with something as pompously arrogant as this, I stop reading. If you are willing to reword it in a civil fashion, I will respond.

Holding my breath waiting.

Actually, I am not. I am not stupid enough to expect that you are capable of being less pompously arrogant.

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The state doesn’t have the moral authority for anything. They have the legal authority. If they say that you have the legal right to marry your horse, you do. But why are you asking? Are you sexually attracted to your horse?

And now she is asking StephenB why he wants to marry his horse.

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Posted: May 09 2016,18:52

Ziggy can really sing.

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Posted: May 09 2016,18:57

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Ziggy can really sing. :D

But the biggest question is, why is she still singing? Has Barry develiped some ethics?
Cough
Hack
Spew

Damn, I almost choked typing that.

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Posted: May 09 2016,19:06

Barry's an absentee landlord most of the time.

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Posted: May 09 2016,20:22

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Barry's an absentee landlord most of the time.

True, but the last couple of times I was banned (Indiana Effigy, and someone else who pissed off KF) it was News who wielded the banhammer.

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Posted: May 09 2016,22:40

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ziggy lorencMay 9, 2016 at 9:34 pm
KF — “I have come to firmly hold ethical theism because it is the only satisfying worldview that sets a framework for responsible, rational freedom in a coherent world.”

The words that you have left out here, and leave out in almost all of your comments is:

IN MY OPINION

We all think that our opinions are right. That is just human nature and, in my opinion, a healthy thing. The only time when it ceases to be healthy is when we deceive ourselves into a firm belief that we are right. This is the category that you fall into. Your comments clearly show that you have long since abandoned the possibility that you may be wrong. In so doing, you have lost the enjoyment that can be obtained by debating someone who disagrees with you and replaced it with anger at the thought that someone might have the audacity to disagree. Sadly revealing.

I have to get up early to beat SteveStorey to Ziggy's pearls of wisdom.

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Posted: May 09 2016,23:59

Would someone remind Kairosfocus that the man's name was Heinrich Heine. He repeatedly spells it as Heinie, which I thought was an anti-semitic slur.

Cf comments 9, 15, 127

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Posted: May 10 2016,01:54

Of course Gordon E. Mullings didn't cite anything of what Heine said about Christianity and heaven which he described as human inventions:

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Posted: May 10 2016,02:07

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ZL, Do you know the literary reputation of Heinie (btw a German Jew and Christian) — in Germany?

Obviously, KF is unaware about Heine's motivation to get baptised. Heine later regreted this step which didn't help him find a job as a lawyer because good German christians kept discriminating him. He later wrote:

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„Ich bereue sehr daß ich mich getauft hab; ich seh noch gar nicht ein, daß es mir seitdem besser gegangen sey, im Gegentheil, ich habe seitdem nichts als Unglück.“

– Brief an Moses Moser am 9. Januar 1826

(citef from German Wikipedia)

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Posted: May 10 2016,02:22

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Would someone remind Kairosfocus that the man's name was Heinrich Heine. He repeatedly spells it as Heinie, which I thought was an anti-semitic slur.

Cf comments 9, 15, 127

I guess "Heinie" is just mis-spelling due to english pronouncuation of "Heine".

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Posted: May 10 2016,02:33

I must admit though, that otherwise Gordon E. Mullings appears completely nuts when he finds proof of the Christian God in fishing reels and with his fear to be forced into SSM by the materialistic feminist Darwinist agenda forwarded by communist islamist fundamentalist currently encircling Montserrat with burning strawmen.

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Posted: May 10 2016,06:23

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I must admit though, that otherwise Gordon E. Mullings appears completely nuts when he finds proof of the Christian God in fishing reels and with his fear to be forced into SSM by the materialistic feminist Darwinist agenda forwarded by communist islamist fundamentalist currently encircling Montserrat with burning strawmen.

As barrels of ad hominem oil are poured into the surrounding waters, put alight and forming a choking polarizing agit-prop turnabout haze, cutting Montserrat off from a civilization that until this moment had been held together by dint of the purifying spirit of Judeo-Christian values but now faces the hour of decision, whether to restore the hallowed traditional wintertime greeting of "Merry Christmas!" or to succumb to the necrotic nominalism of "I now pronounce you husband and husband / wife and wife", a fate that was preconceived 2,500 years ago by a man whose foresight is praised on the beseiged tiny island nation, a man shaped by a culture of open same-sex love. Oh, what a burden is placed upon the shoulders of one Montserrat citizen crying out in the wilderness. Oh, Lord, do you hear his cry? Did you answer him back? (That would explain alot)

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