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sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,14:29   

technically, i think that's the eighth time you have repeated the question using the same phrasing.

did i miss one?

  
Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,14:36   

No Sir toejam, I defer to your superior maths (and I went back and counted).  The queery count (  ;)  ) stands at eight.

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thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,14:38   

Seven Popes,

Searching for something you can't find isn't the same as explaining what it is you're looking for.

Scientists are looking for a "gay gene."  If they tell us what it looks like then maybe we can help find it?

What does this "gay gene" look like?

You think, "oh, it looks like it causes homosexuality," will satisfy as an answer.

Since I granted your nonexistent "gay gene" for sake of argument, can you tell me what the "gay gene" looks like for the same reason?

  
Russell



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,14:42   

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Scientists are looking for a "gay gene."
I'm pretty sure they're not. But maybe that's just T-diddy's sloppy shorthand for "scientists are looking for genetic components of a predisposition towards homosexuality".

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Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,14:44   

Thordaddy:
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Since I granted your nonexistent "gay gene" for sake of argument,

Uhhhh, Thordaddy, it's your gene.  From the Gay gene evo thread.  I quoted you.  Read carefully. It helps if you sound out the letters.  Slowly.

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Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,14:47   

I just want to know Thordaddy, IF a gene or set of genes is found to cause homosexuality, would this refute Intelligent Design?  
nineth try Thordaddy, would a "gay gene" refute I.D?

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thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,14:56   

Here Russell...,

Gay Gene

But notice the assumption upon which the "gay gene" is built?  The assumption is that evolution provides for "sexual orientations."  Is the mere existence of the act of homosexuality sufficient evidence to conclude that evolution provides for "sexual orientation?"

Why would living organisms need an "orientation" outside that which provides for reproduction, namely, evolution?

Homosexuality is counter to reproduction.  Evolution provides for this?

  
MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,15:00   

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Why would living organisms need an "orientation" outside that which provides for reproduction, namely, evolution?

Homosexuality is counter to reproduction.  Evolution provides for this?

Read all the posts, and your question will be answered

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Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,15:02   

I just want to know Thordaddy, IF a gene or set of genes is found to cause homosexuality, would this refute Intelligent Design?  
tenth try Thordaddy, would a "gay gene" refute I.D?

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,16:02   

Isn't it fun to watch a homophobic bigot like Thordaddy try to justify his bigotry?  Especially when he's so ignorant on the topic he thinks the term homosexual only refers to males?  Wouldn’t surprise me at all if our Thordaddy has some gay leanings himself, and only posts his hateful rants here to ease his sense of self loathing.

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Thordaddy: Homosexuality, given all the current evidence, is a product of free-will and a lifestyle choice.


Suuuuuuure it is, if you discount all the current studies that show an evolutionary advantage to having gays around to help with child-rearing, and those that show a dramatic statistical correlation between the chances of being gay and having a certain amount/type of siblings.  Of course you also have to totally ignore the personal testimony of millions upon millions of gays who will tell you that their sexual preference is not a conscious decision.  I guess if you have your head up your ass as far as Thordaddy, it's easy to block out those things you don't want to hear.

And there's that "gay lifestyle" T-wad keeps harping on.  I wonder if he'll ever tell us what it means?  Do 100% of gays lead this "gay lifestyle"?  50%?  5%?  Do the gay police arrest you if you're gay and don't behave like T-wad expects?  Nothing like a little group stereotyping to help with your demonization, right?

All blacks are lazy and shiftless
All hispanics are thieves
All asians can't drive
All gays choose the "gay lifestyle".

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Thordaddy:  And I am not silent on your irrevelant topic of lesbianism.  Your question shows how absurd it is to teach EITHER homosexuality or lesbianism to young school children.  Just because lesbianism doesn't have outrageous levels of disease is only a greater indication of how "unnatural" and "abnormal" homosexuality really is.  There are very DISTINCT differences between lesbianism and homosexuality.  Should we teach those differences?


NOW we’re getting somewhere.  Maybe T-wad can tell us those very DISTINCT differences between female same-sex couples and male same-sex couples.  

I bet I know what the real difference is.  When T-wad sees two gay males kissing he goes “Ewwww, that’s icky!”, but he’d pay good money to watch two hot looking gay women making out.  Am I right Thordaddy?

Sir Toejam has been correct along.  There’s no reason to argue with such an idiot homophobe.  It’s just good mental exercise, and may help the occasional lurker get a long hard look at just how low a bigoted Christian fundy can sink.

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Thordaddy:  How much more honest do need me to be?


Well T-wad, any honest thing you post from here on out will be your first.

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W. Kevin Vicklund



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,16:20   

Not surprisingly, thorluther gets his definitions wrong.  A gay is a homosexual man, and a lesbian is a homosexual woman.  Of course, gay can also be generalized to include lesbians.

Also, while homosexuality may or may not be "abnormal", it is certainly natural - over 300 species of vertebrates and invertebrates are documented to engage in homosexual behaviors.  There are a number of evolutionary advantages and explanations for homosexual behavior.

  
thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,19:36   

Russell,

Read Occam's Aftershave for a shiny example of that which I speak.  It's pure ideology.

Occam Aftershave opines,

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Isn't it fun to watch a homophobic bigot like Thordaddy try to justify his bigotry?  Especially when he's so ignorant on the topic he thinks the term homosexual only refers to males?  Wouldn’t surprise me at all if our Thordaddy has some gay leanings himself, and only posts his hateful rants here to ease his sense of self loathing.


What exactly is a "homophobic bigot?"  Isn't that a type of stereotyping that you roundly condemn?  And then you demonize me by claiming my homosexuality?  LOL!  Am I afraid of "males" or "sameness?"  If homosexuality is genetically-based then what do I have to be afraid of exactly?  These are few question for the pseudo-scientist.

Then you spew,

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Suuuuuuure it is, if you discount all the current studies that show an evolutionary advantage to having gays around to help with child-rearing, and those that show a dramatic statistical correlation between the chances of being gay and having a certain amount/type of siblings.  Of course you also have to totally ignore the personal testimony of millions upon millions of gays who will tell you that their sexual preference is not a conscious decision.  I guess if you have your head up your ass as far as Thordaddy, it's easy to block out those things you don't want to hear.


Boy, that isn't the same science I'm reading.  My science says there MAYBE a genetically-based predisposition towards homosexuality with environmental factors playing a key role effecting that disposition.  As for "evolutionary advantage" to homosexuality, that's seems a stretch since survival through reproduction is the primary function of evolution.  You are asserting an "orientation" that rejects reproduction, but perhaps helps the results of reproduction?  Again, what is the need for homosexuality from an evolutionary standpoint?

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And there's that "gay lifestyle" T-wad keeps harping on.  I wonder if he'll ever tell us what it means?  Do 100% of gays lead this "gay lifestyle"?  50%?  5%?  Do the gay police arrest you if you're gay and don't behave like T-wad expects?  Nothing like a little group stereotyping to help with your demonization, right?


You've already shown that stereotyping doesn't bother you when you stereotyped me as a "homophobic bigot."  The "gay lifestyle" is one in which someone engages in gay sex and associates their identity with their sexuality and follows a very recognizable and distinct ideological system.  I wouldn't claim that all gays are active in this respect, but there are certainly many who are.  Your feigned ignorance does nothing to change this fact.

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All blacks are lazy and shiftless
All hispanics are thieves
All asians can't drive
All gays choose the "gay lifestyle".


This is what they teach you at public school?

Next you say,

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NOW we’re getting somewhere.  Maybe T-wad can tell us those very DISTINCT differences between female same-sex couples and male same-sex couples.


Distinct levels of AIDS and STDs between homosexuals and lesbians.  Distinct levels of monogamous and polygamous relationships.  Distinct levels for sexual partners.  These are just a few distinctions.  

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I bet I know what the real difference is.  When T-wad sees two gay males kissing he goes “Ewwww, that’s icky!”, but he’d pay good money to watch two hot looking gay women making out.  Am I right Thordaddy?


Yeah, that's right!  LOL!  I've never paid money to watch lesbians, actually.  And for your information, I think all the faux-lesbianism that passes for cool these days is rather trivial and immature.  But if you are wondering whether I see a difference between two gay men and two gay women, well, yes, there is a difference as males elicit no sexual attraction while the women may regardless of whether they were engaged with each other.

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Sir Toejam has been correct along.  There’s no reason to argue with such an idiot homophobe.  It’s just good mental exercise, and may help the occasional lurker get a long hard look at just how low a bigoted Christian fundy can sink.


The only ignorant one is you and the drivel you've been indoctrinated with.  

You claimed that discrimination causes AIDS.  Using discrimination is the BEST WAY TO AVOID AIDS especially for practicing homosexuals.

With friends like Occam, homosexuals need more friends like thordaddy.

  
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,19:39   

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homosexuals need more friends like thordaddy.


I suspected as much.

sure your name isn't "sugardaddy"?

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: April 11 2006,19:45   

Opines

Wailing and moaning she opines
How can I read something between the lines?

Thordaddy's told me how I've got to choose
And now I'm singin' the celibate blues

Cause even though he's a patent twit
I see a man but I want a ....

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,09:51   

All quotes from Thordaddy

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What exactly is a "homophobic bigot?"


Someone like you with an irrational fear of any person who has a different sexuality than what you deem “correct”, and who espouses discrimination against those persons based on your fears.

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Isn't that a type of stereotyping that you roundly condemn?


Nope.  Stereotyping in making a judgment on ALL members of a group based on the actions of a few individuals, like demonizing all gays based on the few militants you see on TV.  You as an individual are showing to be a homophobic bigot based on your individual actions here.

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And then you demonize me by claiming my homosexuality?


Not at all, just pointing out a plausible reason for your hate filled anti-gay diatribes.  Do you have a better explanation?

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LOL!  Am I afraid of "males" or "sameness?" If homosexuality is genetically-based then what do I have to be afraid of exactly?  


Absolutely nothing, yet you obviously are petrified of gays to the point of actively denying them their civil rights.

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Boy, that isn't the same science I'm reading.  My science says there MAYBE a genetically-based predisposition towards homosexuality with environmental factors playing a key role effecting that disposition.  As for "evolutionary advantage" to homosexuality, that's seems a stretch since survival through reproduction is the primary function of evolution.  You are asserting an "orientation" that rejects reproduction, but perhaps helps the results of reproduction?  Again, what is the need for homosexuality from an evolutionary standpoint?


Links to studies showing the evidence for positive evolutionary benefits have already been provided.  That you are too stupid or too lazy to read and understand them is your problem.  Altruism doesn't make sense for an individual but is an evolutionary evolved trait too – every single individual need not maximize his reproductive potential as long as the population reproductive potential is positively affected.

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You've already shown that stereotyping doesn't bother you when you stereotyped me as a "homophobic bigot."  


No stereotyping – you’re an individual assh*le bigot.

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The "gay lifestyle" is one in which someone engages in gay sex and associates their identity with their sexuality and follows a very recognizable and distinct ideological system. I wouldn't claim that all gays are active in this respect, but there are certainly many who are.  Your feigned ignorance does nothing to change this fact.


Please elaborate on this very recognizable and distinct ideological system.  How does it differ from the “heterosexual lifestyle”?   What percentage of the gay population with this lifestyle is “many”, and how did you determine the actual numbers?

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You claimed that discrimination causes AIDS.


Of course this is a blatant lie.  I corrected your lie by stating

Discrimination causes severe stress
Severe stress cause health problems, both physical and emotional
Health problems negatively affect the spread of AIDS

I like when you repeat such easily exposed lies; it makes my job of highlighting your dishonesty that much easier.

Are you claiming that homosexuality causes AIDS?

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Using discrimination is the BEST WAY TO AVOID AIDS especially for practicing homosexuals.


Maybe we should discriminate against those d*mn queers by making them all wear striped uniforms with pink triangles affixed.  That seemed to work once before as I recall.  Is that your solution?

Fred Phelps is waiting for you Thordaddy, you’re his boy!

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thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,10:29   

Occam,

You are a glaring example of the nondiscriminate and all tolerating mindset that has infected the public school system.  Oh, but wait, actually you are very intolerant and discriminatory.  So, you are in fact a product of the public school system indoctrination program.

You say,

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Someone like you with an irrational fear of any person who has a different sexuality than what you deem “correct”, and who espouses discrimination against those persons based on your fears.


Are you qualified to assess "irrational fear" over the internet with your only evidence being stats on homosexual and the resulting pathologies associated with act?  And please do explain how exactly I've discriminated against homosexuals outside the use of your wildly indoctrinated imagination?

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Nope.  Stereotyping in making a judgment on ALL members of a group based on the actions of a few individuals, like demonizing all gays based on the few militants you see on TV.  You as an individual are showing to be a homophobic bigot based on your individual actions here.


Again, please provide my demonization of gays with direct quotes.  I know that your indoctrination doesn't require such steps, but for the sake of argument can you grant my request.  Simply asserting your opinion is simply asserting your opinion.  You quote demonization is quite palpable.  Would you like me to provide quotes?

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Not at all, just pointing out a plausible reason for your hate filled anti-gay diatribes.  Do you have a better explanation?


Actually, you were demonizing for being gay.  What if I was?  You would be discriminating against a gay person.  Bad little Occam!  You need to practice what you preach, boy.

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Absolutely nothing, yet you obviously are petrified of gays to the point of actively denying them their civil rights.


Pure bull-cockey and once again a glaring example of that which I speak when it comes to the public school system.  If I decided to engage in homosexual actions, should I be no less discriminating than if I were to engage in normal relations given what we know about AIDS, STDs, drug abuse, domestic violence, etc. amongst homosexuals?  The "ignorance is bliss" position!

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Links to studies showing the evidence for positive evolutionary benefits have already been provided.  That you are too stupid or too lazy to read and understand them is your problem.  Altruism doesn't make sense for an individual but is an evolutionary evolved trait too – every single individual need not maximize his reproductive potential as long as the population reproductive potential is positively affected.


I can link to plenty of evidence that shows homosexuality to be a very dangerous and deadly behavior.  Are these really evolutionary benefits?  But again, the evidence for a genetic causation of homosexuality is nill.

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No stereotyping – you’re an individual assh*le bigot.


LOL!

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Please elaborate on this very recognizable and distinct ideological system.  How does it differ from the “heterosexual lifestyle”?   What percentage of the gay population with this lifestyle is “many”, and how did you determine the actual numbers?


YOU!!!!!!

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Of course this is a blatant lie.  I corrected your lie by stating

Discrimination causes severe stress
Severe stress cause health problems, both physical and emotional
Health problems negatively affect the spread of AIDS


But do you disagree that discrimination CAN PREVENT the spread of AIDS?

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I like when you repeat such easily exposed lies; it makes my job of highlighting your dishonesty that much easier.


If I see a rattlesnake in my midst, will discrimination be stress-inducing or stress-reducing?  Do you have science to back up your assertion that discrimination causes stress in this context?  I've given you a common sense example of positive discrimination.  The kind more homosexuals need to practice so as to not fall prey to disease and early death.

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Are you claiming that homosexuality causes AIDS?


No, I am claiming that homosexuality is a high-risk behavior associated with disease like AIDS.

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Maybe we should discriminate against those d*mn queers by making them all wear striped uniforms with pink triangles affixed.  That seemed to work once before as I recall.  Is that your solution?


Again, all emotion with no clear thinking.  Typical of the public school system these days.  Maybe, we should not teach young children about the phenomenon of homosexuality and the supposed "normalcy" of such behavior especially with the associative diseases such as AIDS known to be common amongst its practitioners.

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Fred Phelps is waiting for you Thordaddy, you’re his boy!


Who Fred Phelps?  Did you learn about him in class?

  
jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,11:03   

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No, I am claiming that homosexuality is a high-risk behavior associated with disease like AIDS.

And how is heterosexuality different?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,12:46   

Assuming that the stats you cite are true, what on earth would change other than teaching children this in sex education? You say homosexuality is a choice so I ask you again assuming it isnt genetic what evidence do you have that it is a lifestyle choice?

  
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,13:26   

Thordaddy, you’re really a confused little Fundy, aren't you?

You keep confusing homosexuality with “unprotected anal sex.”  You seem to use the terms interchangeably.  Why is that?  Is that what your preacher taught you about human sexuality?

Thordaddy said:
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I can link to plenty of evidence that shows homosexuality to be a very dangerous and deadly behavior.
 

Please do so.  Just don’t make the mistake of linking to studies showing unprotected anal sex to be a very dangerous and deadly behavior.  That is know to be dangerous for ALL couples, both hetero and home.  I want to see your evidence that homosexuality (which means same-sex attraction) is by itself a very dangerous and deadly behavior.  

There are plenty of monogamous homosexual couples who practice nothing but safe sex when making love.  Show us how they are exhibiting very dangerous and deadly behavior.  

I asked

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Please elaborate on this very recognizable and distinct ideological system.  How does it differ from the “heterosexual lifestyle”?   What percentage of the gay population with this lifestyle is “many”, and how did you determine the actual numbers?


And you replied
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YOU!!!!!!


I take that as an admission you can’t answer the question, and were just lying again when you made the claim.

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But do you disagree that discrimination CAN PREVENT the spread of AIDS?


Lining AIDS patients up against the wall and shooting them can prevent the spread of AIDS, does that mean we should do it?

18-29 yr. old African-American males are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of the crime rate in America.  Does that mean we should discriminate against ALL young African-American males?  

There are laws with severe penalties for knowingly passing on the AIDS virus.  The laws apply to ALL people regardless of sexual orientation.

How does denying ALL gays their civil rights, and discriminating against ALL gays prevent the spread of AIDS?

BTW, don’t think for a second that anyone buys your “it’s due to AIDS” reason that you’re so anti-gay.  You’re just using that as an excuse for your religious-based bigotry, and we all know it.

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Russell



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(Permalink) Posted: April 12 2006,17:50   

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BTW, don’t think for a second that anyone buys your “it’s due to AIDS” reason that you’re so anti-gay.  You’re just using that as an excuse for your religious-based bigotry, and we all know it.
I do wonder why he never responds to my question: is he OK with "Johnny has two mommies".

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Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2006,02:52   

I just want to know Thordaddy, IF a gene or set of genes is found to cause homosexuality, would this refute Intelligent Design?  
eleventh try Thordaddy, would a "gay gene" refute I.D?

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Russell



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(Permalink) Posted: April 13 2006,14:53   

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Here Russell...,
Gay Gene
Hey, T-diddy. Did you notice that that news article was all about one of the very articles I referred you to? Did you notice that, despite the dumb title on the layperson's article, the paper in question was, in fact, not a search for "the gay gene"?

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But notice the assumption upon which the "gay gene" is built?  The assumption is that evolution provides for "sexual orientations."
No, I don't notice that assumption. Please elaborate. Perhaps you are making that assumption, or perhaps you are assuming that other people are. But I see no evidence for that at all, outside your fevered imagination.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 14 2006,02:44   

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No, I am claiming that homosexuality is a high-risk behavior associated with disease like AIDS.

Please explain why lesbians are exhibiting high risk behavior associated with AIDS

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