Mike PSS
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It was this piece of babbling....
| Quote (VMartin @ Dec. 15 2006,13:33) | Anyway there is no need for John Davison to explain his view outlined in Manifesto.
All that he has written there seems to be correct. First I was struck by his claim (or better his citation of Broom) that evolution is finished. Brooms claim:
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In Eocene times -- say between 50,000,000 and 30,000,000 years ago -- small primitive mammals rather suddenly gave rise to over a dozen very different Orders -- hoofed animals, odd-toed and even-toed, elephants, carnivores, whales, rodents, bats and monkeys. And after this there were no more Orders of mammals ever evolved. There were great varieties of evolution in the Orders that had appeared, but strangely enough Nature seemed incapable of forming any more new Orders...
(1951), page 107
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I checked it in modern sources and I found this:
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"..i.e., euprimates: lemurs, tarsiers, monkeys, and apes) and Perissodactyla (odd-toed ungulates such as horses, tapirs, and rhinos)-also appeared abruptly and in abundance in early Eocene Holarctic deposits, with little indication of their ancestry."
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Darwinists to defend their views use a claim that "the mammalian Orders" is a human invention and in fact such division does not exist in Nature (its btw old philosophical dispute between nominalism vs. realism). Anyway its hardly to believe that mammalian families are also the human invention. Yet:
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"A number of mammal orders show peaks of family diversityaround the Eocene-Oligocene boundary, such as Soricomorpha, Rodentia, Primates, Artiodactyla and Proboscidea."
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The great diversity of Holarctic primates during the
Eocene indicates that at least 90% of modern diversity
would already have been reached by the Middle Eocene.
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Perissodactyls were once much more diverse...Only seventeen species of perissodactyls remain on the Earth today, a shadow of the group's former glory.
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and much much more that supports Brooms and John Davisons conclusion that evolution is finished.
John Davison need not search sources that support his claims. Internet is full of them. Just check it yourself. |
Along with this follow-up babbling .... | Quote (VMartin @ Dec. 17 2006,07:24) | | Quote |
What reasons can you give us for why you think evolution has to continue to produce new mammalian orders after all the available ecological niches were filled?
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Why not? As you know there were much more mammalian families in Eocene as today are.
Do you mean that there were much more "ecological niches" at that time comparing nowadays? |
that convinced me that VMartian can't think his way out of an open closet with the light on because a white robe is coverring him.
My only sensible question to Mr. Martian is to explain how Australia native species are holding up to invasions of external species brought into the environment. Then to compare this to the plate conditions 30mm to 50mm years ago. Will the number of mammillian species increase or decrease in the world after this "competition" for ecologic niches reaches it's eventual conclusion over time.
And I didn't have to open a book or find a reference to come up with this little challange.
I don't expect a cogent response to this at all. More handwaving, semantics and convolusions are expected from VMartian considerring his past behaviour.
Mike PSS
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Problem is, he has absolutely nothing worth saying. Besides, I've already seen JAD do his cowardly evasion on too many other boards. From your own blog:
