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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,12:33   

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Hmmm, for some reason the copying and pasting I did above with the full rules of MC and the full research output of ID seems to have gone wrong.

I'll get onto our technical department and get back to you.

Sorry for any inconvenience, but they will both be published any day now, I assure you.

Louis

Thanks, but I did get the gist of it. Just ran the muse across, and the complete wisdom appeared like majik. (I can has Noble sharez?)

Spiritus ex machina!

(Hope I spoiled no joke by misstake; if so please delete)

AHA! You has noticed, you can has joint Nobelz!

We is verree important peopls nao and deserves Rezpkd.

DAMMIT!

Louis

ETA: DELETE? NEVER! 1) I has no power. 2) I wants no power, 3) and most importantly those people with power no wants to deleet anyfing (that isn't porno spam)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,13:04   

Apeologies for not discoqualifie. Do not delete my epic fany?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,13:12   

The who whatting how with huh?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,13:51   

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Apeologies for not discoqualifie. Do not delete my epic fany?

HA HA. IS THIS YOU??



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Rrr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,15:17   

Not quite the right likeness, Carlsonjok. The beard is different and my pose is generally more primatesque. Anyway, this isn't the bathroom, is it?

I like the portrait, though. Thanks!

  
Rrr



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,15:21   

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Thou shalt fleece the rubes


By pulling the wool over their eyes?

I'm surprised no one has previously offered this explanation of Bill's Sweater.

I always assumed that sweater was a polyester blend from the bargain bin at K-Mart.

I thought 'the sweater' was hand knit by a female relative.

Can someone here reverse engineer and reproduce 'the sweater'?

Crap, I'm willing to pay for it.

The price is probably sweatier and bloodier. Don't bother, don't gother.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,17:22   

I have emailed Dembski twice and asked him where we could procure more of those sweaters, but no response.

I didn't expect him to tell me exactly which gas station dumpster he pulled them from, but a general vicinity would have been nice.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,22:23   

to Ceiling Cat: I didn't find any good pron on Miro, could you please elucidate your standards further?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2009,22:26   

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y132825

I meant this comment.  Louis doesn't seem to know the difference between porn and real pron.  

Poor british bugger, doesn't seem to have his definitions right.

:-P  (to Louis)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,08:09   

Uncommonly Denyse lies:
       
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Darwinism and popular culture: Bill Moyers moonlights as a geneticist
O'Leary

Recently, at Uncommon Descent, we discussed Jesse Kilgore, who killed himself after reading Dawkins and Pekka Eric Auvinen, the young Finnish social Darwinist shooter (2007) , to say nothing of Eric Harris at Columbine. While some have pointed to these examples of the harm done by pop Darwinism, I’ve always been cautious. Disturbed people have taken their own or others’ lives for a variety of reasons. Better evidence, it seems to me, is the bad assumptions of people assumed to be intelligent, emotionally normal, and well-meaning. Consider then the case of Bill Moyers of PBS

No, Denyse. It was some guy at AtBC who took the reasonable position you are now claiming. But on your blog YOU stated,
       
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A Finnish student, believed to have shot eight people, including his school's headmistress, seems to have been motivated by social Darwinism.
       
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In the rambling text posted on the site, Auvinen said that he is "a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and god-like atheist.
"I am prepared to fight and die for my cause," he wrote. "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection."

Awful. In the course I was teaching last night, I was trying to explain to my adult students that social Darwinism really is a serious problem. People can come to believe that they are entitled to kill others to "help" Darwinian evolution.

Here you continued to press the argument.
       
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if people honestly think that the boy’s social Darwinism played no role in his shooting spree, I assume that they also think that toxic religious beliefs play no role in Middle Eastern-directed suicide bombings.

I disagree in both cases. Beliefs have consequences.

And here you ensured that the UD community was aware of your position:
       
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Will Darwinists just grow up about social Darwinism or not? Maybe not …
O'Leary

Recently, at the Post-Darwinist, I have received many posts from Darwinists who protested my mentioning the fact that the recent school shooting in Finland was driven by social Darwinism. Some of them have resolved never to read my blog again as a result.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,08:20   

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Upright Biped: ID is making a frontal assault on one of the (if not the) most widely held, yet still debated, beliefs in modern academia – that all observations made by mankind are explained by the random interactions of particle matter, i.e. design is an illusion. To back up their claim, they have (for all practical purposes) the entire global science and media machines on their side. I know this for a fact, I work there.

In making an assault on ideological materialism there are a few tidbits of vast historical wisdom that apply, regardless if anyone cares to know them. They are the rules of opposing force. Like most profound tidbits of wisdom, the sentences are short but the depth of meaning is most often understood only after generous reflection. The first little wisdom is the one you unknowingly raise: that is to beware (or be aware) of the defended position. It says to know everything about the defended position, and to treat that knowledge with the utmost rationality.

It should be obvious; to make a frontal assault, the primary strategic concern is the strength of the defended position (emotion, particularly fear, has nothing to do with it).

The next tidbit is to attack on a narrow front. This, again, seems to be obvious if you take into account that one force is small while the other is large. Attacking on a narrow front is a conscious decision to balance the offense against the greater strength of the defense. It is a disciplined recognition of reality. Yet here we are, apparently doing our damndest to broaden our attack, and apparently we’re not contented to just ignore what we are doing, but also willing to shoot ourselves in the foot while doing it. The chosen subject matter of this new ID runs completely opposite to one of the load-bearing strengths of the old ID (we attack materialism on material grounds alone).

jerry: Thanks for the detailed response. I, too, have read SunTzu and find his wisdom applicable across more domains than military strategy and tactics.

Compare this to Darwin's Origin of Species, which anticipated most every reasonable scientific objection, then directly attempted to respond to those objections. The goal is not to win the debate through rhetorical devices, but to convince one's peers of the validity of one's position.

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Sal Gal: What I find refreshing in Steve Fuller’s remarks is that he confronts, without invoking the term, the “God of the Gaps” in ID. A design inference is intrinsically a claim that something we cannot observe empirically exists, has certain anthropomorphic properties, and manifests itself in what we do observe. Eschewing semantic contortions, an unobservable, goal-directed intelligence is supernatural, be it the intelligence of God or a God-like intelligence created by God.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,08:52   

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to Ceiling Cat: I didn't find any good pron on Miro, could you please elucidate your standards further?

You have to type in the types of pron you're interested in.  For example, an ID enthusiast might search for "toronto journalist grandmother pole dance" and you wouldn't hear from him for two or three days.

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,08:56   

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http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y132825

I meant this comment.  Louis doesn't seem to know the difference between porn and real pron.  

Poor british bugger, doesn't seem to have his definitions right.

:-P  (to Louis)

British porn is extremely interesting. I recently picked up a copy of "Enrazzlement: The periodical that effects tumescence in the male generative member"* and there were a number of rather delightful maids and members of the hoi polloi exposing their necks and ankles, and even their wrists, for the delectation of the gentlemen present.

Gadzooks!

Louis

*With thanks and apologies to Viz. Apologies for blatantly nicking that idea and thanks for the enormous laugh it gave me.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,09:25   

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Recently, at the Post-Darwinist, I have received many posts from Darwinists who protested my mentioning the fact that the recent school shooting in Finland was driven by social Darwinism. Some of them have resolved never to read my blog again as a result.

What? Darwinists who are not tardoholics?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,09:27   

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Laminar: A lot of biologists I know work closely with computer scientists, some biologists also have degrees in computer science (And I know some computer scientists with degrees in biology).

Joseph: How many is “a lot”? And how many of these scientists with degrees in computer science and computer scientists with degrees in biology think that life owes its existence and subsequent diversity to blind, undirected processes?

Laminar: Joseph - Are you asking for a statistical breakdown of all the people I know and what their various degrees are in or are you just implying that I am a liar?

Given the wide use of computers across all sciences for everything from data visualisation to modelling it shouldn’t be at all surprising that computer scientists work closely with, and sometimes also are, biologists.

There are entire fields devoted to the use of advanced information technology in the analysis of biological data, or computational biology. Even field biologists often work closely with computers or computer specialists.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,10:38   

Quote (digitus impudicus @ Jan. 16 2009,20:26)
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y132825

I meant this comment.  Louis doesn't seem to know the difference between porn and real pron.  

Poor british bugger, doesn't seem to have his definitions right.

:-P  (to Louis)

Plus, Louis probably spells it 'pourn' or something effete like that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,10:41   

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British porn is extremely interesting. I recently picked up a copy of "Enrazzlement: The periodical that effects tumescence in the male generative member"* and there were a number of rather delightful maids and members of the hoi polloi exposing their necks and ankles, and even their wrists, for the delectation of the gentlemen present.

Also, I've heard that Louis has a subscription to Rumpy Pumpy Quarterly that he makes his wife pay for.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,10:46   

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British porn is extremely interesting. I recently picked up a copy of "Enrazzlement: The periodical that effects tumescence in the male generative member"* and there were a number of rather delightful maids and members of the hoi polloi exposing their necks and ankles, and even their wrists, for the delectation of the gentlemen present.

Also, I've heard that Louis has a subscription to Rumpy Pumpy Quarterly that he makes his wife pay for.

Actually it's Buxom Milkmaids Biweekly* if you must know.

Louis

* Now with REAL how's your father!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,13:08   

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Recently, at the Post-Darwinist, I have received many posts from Darwinists who protested my mentioning the fact that the recent school shooting in Finland was driven by social Darwinism. Some of them have resolved never to read my blog again as a result.

What? Darwinists who are not tardoholics?

It's true. When she wrote about Pekka Eric Auvinen for the first time I left a neutral comment on her blog. Then she wrote some more about the issue. I wagered it best not to express my thoughts any further, as they are anything but productive. I haven't visited her blogs since.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,13:49   

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I haven't visited her blogs since.
Who actually does?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,16:15   

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I haven't visited her blogs since.
Who actually does?

check out her sitemeter traffic:

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s28postd

she gets about 10% the traffic we do.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,16:17   

Truly, materialism is a dead man walking :-)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,16:32   

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It's true. When she wrote about Pekka Eric Auvinen for the first time I left a neutral comment on her blog. Then she wrote some more about the issue. I wagered it best not to express my thoughts any further, as they are anything but productive. I haven't visited her blogs since.

Right; the nausea can be overwhelming.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,17:20   

In case you are still not convinced that Steve Fuller is an AtBC sock puppet, read Part IV of ID and the Science of God:

 
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Second, and perhaps more provocatively, I believe that the style of  ‘scientific theology’ exemplified by theodicy helps to serve Christianity’s proselytising mission – i.e. conversion of the unbelievers. I have spent a fair amount of time (including at the Dover trial) defending the idea that certain religious beliefs have outright facilitated – not impeded – scientific discovery. But I would also make the reverse case, namely, that as more of the natural world is illuminated by hypotheses concerning the designer, thus enabling us to get a more exact understanding of the design, the closer science comes to communion with God. Indeed, if design were as illusory or superficial as Darwinists maintain, then the concept of design should not be so illuminating — even for evolutionists who continue to operate with stealth notions of design in the guise of, say, ‘adaptation’ or ‘optimisation’.

Nobody denies the metaphorical, even poetic, appeal of conceiving of nature as an artefact. However, an explanation is required for why turning the poetry into prose works even better, though not infallibly. That we are created in the image and likeness of the creative deity is the most straightforward explanation on offer. Of course, that doesn’t ‘prove’ God’s existence but it does provide grounds for selling the Biblical deity on scientific grounds – indeed, as the Jesuits were doing in China at the same time they were holding Galileo’s feet to the fire in Rome.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,17:25   

A bonus feature: Fuller accuses tribune7 of being a traitor.
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In that case, you’re not an ID theorist. you’re a D theorist. It sounds to me like you are the one in the wrong place — unless you’re a fifth columnist!


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,17:52   

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In that case, you’re not an ID theorist. you’re a D theorist. It sounds to me like you are the one in the wrong place — unless you’re a fifth columnist!

Ah good times!  Reminds me of the time my first puppet accused BA^77 of not being religious enough to fully back ID.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,17:58   

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I haven't visited her blogs since.
Who actually does?

check out her sitemeter traffic:

http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s28postd

she gets about 10% the traffic we do.

Ha! Less traffic than to my obscure finnish blog. But then again, I do blog about tits.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,18:48   

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Ha! Less traffic than to my obscure finnish blog. But then again, I do blog about tits.


Tremendous photos of intelligent design, but why is it tha the only words I can understand are "George W. Bush?"  

Is he somehow connected with that aspect of ID?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,18:48   

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Ah good times!  Reminds me of the time my first puppet accused BA^77 of not being religious enough to fully back ID.

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"(looks off into the distance) It was a hell of a thing, son. Hell of a thing."

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2009,19:10   

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Ah good times!  Reminds me of the time my first puppet accused BA^77 of not being religious enough to fully back ID.

"Papaw Steve, tell me what After the Bar Closes was like?"
"(looks off into the distance) It was a hell of a thing, son. Hell of a thing."

Tard was something beyond your imagining, grasshopper.

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