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Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,15:15    I was just doing an on-line "debate" with a lot of creationists, and climate denialists at "Wing Nut Daily." One of them reposted some of Joey's screeds about me as "proof" I was not credible. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,15:23    Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Mar. 05 2013,04:26)  Voters aren't too keen on morons who start yelling "faggot" and "assface" every time they disagree with someone, Actually he sounds like the perfect tea party candidate in a republican primary. And if he said something about all the blacks stealing welfare money he'd seal. the. deal.

Arctodus23 Posts: 322 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,15:47    Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 05 2013,15:15) I was just doing an on-line "debate" with a lot of creationists, and climate denialists at "Wing Nut Daily." One of them reposted some of Joey's screeds about me as "proof" I was not credible. So was I. It was with a troll on NAiG Discussion Board. The troll's name is Brad. He said I was irrational, because I pointed out some logical fallacies at him. -------------- "At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL "So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,01:18    joey is displaying his massive brain damage at corny's site. The last two sentences are by joey: Joe GMarch 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM thorTARD: One molecule of H2O is a water molecule by definition you moron. No, it's just one molecule of H2O, you dipshit. And only English speaking people call it water, dumbass. ----------------------- From here: http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2013....nt-form -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,04:30    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 06 2013,07:18) joey is displaying his massive brain damage at corny's site. The last two sentences are by joey: Joe GMarch 5, 2013 at 11:21 AM thorTARD: One molecule of H2O is a water molecule by definition you moron. No, it's just one molecule of H2O, you dipshit. And only English speaking people call it water, dumbass. ----------------------- From here: http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2013.......nt-form     Quote [eta: According to what your position sez, oleg,] the water here came from ICE stored in comets and other space debris. IOW on the atomic scale water is made from ice molecules, H2O. Dumbass HAHAHAHA. Let it go, Joe. You're embarrassing yourself. Edited by Soapy Sam on Mar. 06 2013,10:55 -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,11:52    Quote And only English speaking people call it water, dumbass. How clever! Germans only call it wasser..., Swedes call it vatten. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,12:51    While I am high at the moment, I'm just slightly high, not destroyed and sitting on the couch staring at the tv. So I don't think that's the reason I'm misunderstanding Joe. What is his point? Water isn't water, it's H2O? And ice isn't water? WTF is going on here?

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,13:16    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,12:51) While I am high at the moment, I'm just slightly high, not destroyed and sitting on the couch staring at the tv. So I don't think that's the reason I'm misunderstanding Joe. What is his point? Water isn't water, it's H2O? And ice isn't water? WTF is going on here? A while back ago (someone has a link in their sig) I asked Joey a question about information.  The question I asked was something like "Given a box that is completely isolated from everything else.  Given that the box is filed with one mol of water.  What is the information content of the system? Now, what is the change in the information content if the water is completely disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen?  What is the change in information content if they recombine into water?" Then I said, "Be careful, it's a trick question". I would have given Joey credit for two different answers because I recognized that I was unclear.  Water is at a lower energy state than the gases would be, so without an input of energy from outside the system, it couldn't disassociate.  I would have also accepted the actual calculations of the change in entropy (in joules) of the system. Joey's response was "But I get the trick question.  There's no such thing as one molecule of water." What followed was a hilarious discussion of Joe not understanding 9th grade chemistry (moles) and him continually trying to redefine water as only the liquid state of H2O. I also mentioned that it would be possible to tell what state a single molecule would be by measuring the kinetic energy of the molecule, but he didn't get that either.  Ice isn't just ice because it's linked to other molecules.  It can link to other molecules because the kinetic energy is reduced enough that hydrogen bonds are stronger than the motion of the molecules. Swish... right over his pointy little head. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,13:59    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,13:51) While I am high at the moment, I'm just slightly high, not destroyed and sitting on the couch staring at the tv. So I don't think that's the reason I'm misunderstanding Joe. What is his point? Water isn't water, it's H2O? And ice isn't water? WTF is going on here? LOL at the idea that joe has ever said anything coherent enough to be understood except "your a dickface faggot meat me in my parking lot after i run for education board and get done with ID day in my kid's school" And ticks love watermelons And dragonflies love to play and so on -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,14:39    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2013,14:16) What followed was a hilarious discussion of Joe not understanding 9th grade chemistry (moles) and him continually trying to redefine water as only the liquid state of H2O. He doesn't know what a fucking mol is, and he's trying to argue science with us? Wow. Even Dunning and Kruger would do a double take at that guy. That is epic cluelessness.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,15:45    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,14:39)   Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2013,14:16) What followed was a hilarious discussion of Joe not understanding 9th grade chemistry (moles) and him continually trying to redefine water as only the liquid state of H2O. He doesn't know what a fucking mol is, and he's trying to argue science with us? Wow. Even Dunning and Kruger would do a double take at that guy. That is epic cluelessness. You missed ever better JoeTard woo than that while you were gone. Over at UD and later at Corny's he claimed that the pyramids of Egypt were built as giant antennas supposedly used to contact space aliens, and that reincarnation has been scientifically demonstrated. The guy is a real piece of work as they say. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,15:56    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,13:51) While I am high at the moment, I'm just slightly high, not destroyed and sitting on the couch staring at the tv. So I don't think that's the reason I'm misunderstanding Joe. What is his point? Water isn't water, it's H2O? And ice isn't water? WTF is going on here? HAR HAR THIS IS YOU -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,16:00    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 06 2013,15:45) Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,14:39)     Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2013,14:16) What followed was a hilarious discussion of Joe not understanding 9th grade chemistry (moles) and him continually trying to redefine water as only the liquid state of H2O. He doesn't know what a fucking mol is, and he's trying to argue science with us? Wow. Even Dunning and Kruger would do a double take at that guy. That is epic cluelessness. You missed ever better JoeTard woo than that while you were gone. Over at UD and later at Corny's he claimed that the pyramids of Egypt were built as giant antennas supposedly used to contact space aliens, and that reincarnation has been scientifically demonstrated. :O The guy is a real piece of work as they say. I forgot that one. Chopraesque. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,16:22    JoeMarch 6, 2013 at 5:28 am Quote Eric: …denies the existence of design as a causal explanation. Alan Fox: That’s clearly using “design” as a noun. LoL! No Alan, that is clearly using “design” as a VERB, ie to do something, duh. Later.... Quote LoL! Alan, yes the word “design” can be a noun. I never said otherwise. However the word “design” can also be a verb, as in “Joe built his house’s addition by design, as opposed to willy-nilly.” Or “Joe assembled the furniture by design, ie via the plan and procedure provided by the manufacturer.” So my original point stands. What was your point, Alan? Eric’s use of the word “design” was as a verb. Should we give him partial credit for getting to adverbs in his example? Later he links to the dictionary, and by the end of the thread, Alan Fox is giving remedial grammar lessons. Edited by REC on Mar. 06 2013,16:36

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,16:27    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 06 2013,16:56) Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,13:51) While I am high at the moment, I'm just slightly high, not destroyed and sitting on the couch staring at the tv. So I don't think that's the reason I'm misunderstanding Joe. What is his point? Water isn't water, it's H2O? And ice isn't water? WTF is going on here? HAR HAR THIS IS YOU Ha. Not that baked at all. Gary's thread did, indirectly, lead to Real Actual Science™. It was conclusively demonstrated that it is possible to mimick gary's writing 2 hours after eating .5 grams of kine bud and taking .5 milligrams of xanax. What can I say, it's my day off and I'm bored and had a stressful encounter with a heartbreaking ex at a Ruby Tuesday's last night.

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,22:16    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2013,12:16) Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,12:51) While I am high at the moment, I'm just slightly high, not destroyed and sitting on the couch staring at the tv. So I don't think that's the reason I'm misunderstanding Joe. What is his point? Water isn't water, it's H2O? And ice isn't water? WTF is going on here? A while back ago (someone has a link in their sig) I asked Joey a question about information.  The question I asked was something like "Given a box that is completely isolated from everything else.  Given that the box is filed with one mol of water.  What is the information content of the system? Now, what is the change in the information content if the water is completely disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen?  What is the change in information content if they recombine into water?" Then I said, "Be careful, it's a trick question". I would have given Joey credit for two different answers because I recognized that I was unclear.  Water is at a lower energy state than the gases would be, so without an input of energy from outside the system, it couldn't disassociate.  I would have also accepted the actual calculations of the change in entropy (in joules) of the system. Joey's response was "But I get the trick question.  There's no such thing as one molecule of water." What followed was a hilarious discussion of Joe not understanding 9th grade chemistry (moles) and him continually trying to redefine water as only the liquid state of H2O. I also mentioned that it would be possible to tell what state a single molecule would be by measuring the kinetic energy of the molecule, but he didn't get that either.  Ice isn't just ice because it's linked to other molecules.  It can link to other molecules because the kinetic energy is reduced enough that hydrogen bonds are stronger than the motion of the molecules. Swish... right over his pointy little head. Prior to Ogre's masterful exposé of Joe's utter cluelessness, and perhaps leading into it, there was ongoing stick-poking of Joe resulting from his  vehement insistence that hail is not made of water. IIRC, that was preceded by his lecturing us that a baseball and a hailstone of the exact same dimensions are not the same size. -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,22:58    there is no way to bring steve up to speed on the tardsplosion that is joe.  even this thread only captures .0001% -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,01:01    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 06 2013,20:58) there is no way to bring steve up to speed on the tardsplosion that is joe.  even this thread only captures .0001% It might be better for Steve's health if he doesn't partake of too much of joey's tardiferous spewage. If nothing else, Steve should take heed that too much exposure to joey's IDiocy may cause severe face palming, eye rolling, head banging on furniture, intermittent anger mixed with raucous fits of laughter, and a really powerful urge to kick something. :) -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Occam's Toothbrush Posts: 555 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,03:21    Quote (REC @ Mar. 06 2013,17:22)     Quote LoL! Alan, yes the word “design” can be a noun. I never said otherwise. However the word “design” can also be a verb, as in “Joe built his house’s addition by design, as opposed to willy-nilly.” Or “Joe assembled the furniture by design, ie via the plan and procedure provided by the manufacturer.” So my original point stands. What was your point, Alan? Eric’s use of the word “design” was as a verb. Should we give him partial credit for getting to adverbs in his example? Later he links to the dictionary, and by the end of the thread, Alan Fox is giving remedial grammar lessons. Joe's too stupid to recognize that this own example implies that "willy-nilly" is also a verb. Is it, Joe? "Joe assembled the house by willy-nilly".  Hm. "Joe assembled the house by hand."  Is "hand" a verb in that sentence, or are you just an idiot? -------------- "Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers ------ "You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,05:36    Quote (REC @ Mar. 06 2013,14:22) JoeMarch 6, 2013 at 5:28 am     Quote Eric: …denies the existence of design as a causal explanation. Alan Fox: That’s clearly using “design” as a noun. LoL! No Alan, that is clearly using “design” as a VERB, ie to do something, duh. Later....     Quote LoL! Alan, yes the word “design” can be a noun. I never said otherwise. However the word “design” can also be a verb, as in “Joe built his house’s addition by design, as opposed to willy-nilly.” Or “Joe assembled the furniture by design, ie via the plan and procedure provided by the manufacturer.” So my original point stands. What was your point, Alan? Eric’s use of the word “design” was as a verb. Should we give him partial credit for getting to adverbs in his example? Later he links to the dictionary, and by the end of the thread, Alan Fox is giving remedial grammar lessons. The IDiots play every word game they can think of to avoid using the words create, created, or creation. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,06:19    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2013,13:16) Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,12:51) While I am high at the moment, I'm just slightly high, not destroyed and sitting on the couch staring at the tv. So I don't think that's the reason I'm misunderstanding Joe. What is his point? Water isn't water, it's H2O? And ice isn't water? WTF is going on here? A while back ago (someone has a link in their sig) I asked Joey a question about information.  The question I asked was something like  Given that the box is filed with one mol of water.  What is the information content of the system? Now, what is the change in the information content if the water is completely disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen?  What is the change in information content if they recombine into water?" Then I said, "Be careful, it's a trick question". I would have given Joey credit for two different answers because I recognized that I was unclear.  Water is at a lower energy state than the gases would be, so without an input of energy from outside the system, it couldn't disassociate.  I would have also accepted the actual calculations of the change in entropy (in joules) of the system. Joey's response was "But I get the trick question.  There's no such thing as one molecule of water." What followed was a hilarious discussion of Joe not understanding 9th grade chemistry (moles) and him continually trying to redefine water as only the liquid state of H2O. I also mentioned that it would be possible to tell what state a single molecule would be by measuring the kinetic energy of the molecule, but he didn't get that either.  Ice isn't just ice because it's linked to other molecules.  It can link to other molecules because the kinetic energy is reduced enough that hydrogen bonds are stronger than the motion of the molecules. Swish... right over his pointy little head. Please tell us how to measure the kinetic energy of one molecule of H2O. Also I see that you have changed your "challenge". Your original did NOT say ""Given a box that is completely isolated from everything else." And you never correctly stated the initial parameters. IOW, Kevin, you proved that you don't know jack. And how can one molecule of H2O be water when it does NOT have the properties of water? IOW you assholes are redefining words. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,06:22    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,14:39) Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2013,14:16) What followed was a hilarious discussion of Joe not understanding 9th grade chemistry (moles) and him continually trying to redefine water as only the liquid state of H2O. He doesn't know what a fucking mol is, and he's trying to argue science with us? Wow. Even Dunning and Kruger would do a double take at that guy. That is epic cluelessness. No Steve, I know what a mole is. As I said before I didn't know what Kevin was referring to as he just pulled his challenge out of his ass. And his challenge didn't even have the proper set up. IOW as far as what he said goes, there could have been people with a power source in the room who could then conduct disassociation experiments. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,06:26    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 02 2013,09:01) Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 01 2013,23:25) And then there's this from joey: CSI for Dummies CSI stands for Complex Specified Information ... IOW complex specified information is a term to differentiate between Shannon Information and information that has a specific meaning. Shannon information does not care about content or meaning, ie it does not care about specification. All the weight goes to the number of characters transmitted.. In that post Joe conflates two different senses of the word information. Let's crack open a dictionary:   Quote Information: 1: the communication or reception of knowledge or intelligence 2 a (1) : knowledge obtained from investigation, study, or instruction (2) : intelligence, news (3) : facts, data b : the attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects c (1) : a signal or character (as in a communication system or computer) representing data (2) : something (as a message, experimental data, or a picture) which justifies change in a construct (as a plan or theory) that represents physical or mental experience or another construct d : a quantitative measure of the content of information; specifically : a numerical quantity that measures the uncertainty in the outcome of an experiment to be performed So Joe thinks (or thought) that CSI helps to distinguish information as a message (sense 2b) from its quantitative measure (sense 2d). That's nonsense of course. No oleg, I didn't conflate anything. You are just a moron. And of course CSI differentiates between Shannon information, ie mere complexity, and information as used in its normal/ ordinary sense. Only a moron would say otherwise. And you just saying it is nonsense does not make it so. You actually have to make a case, and you can't. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,06:29    Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Mar. 06 2013,22:16) Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 06 2013,12:16)   Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 06 2013,12:51) While I am high at the moment, I'm just slightly high, not destroyed and sitting on the couch staring at the tv. So I don't think that's the reason I'm misunderstanding Joe. What is his point? Water isn't water, it's H2O? And ice isn't water? WTF is going on here? A while back ago (someone has a link in their sig) I asked Joey a question about information.  The question I asked was something like "Given a box that is completely isolated from everything else.  Given that the box is filed with one mol of water.  What is the information content of the system? Now, what is the change in the information content if the water is completely disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen?  What is the change in information content if they recombine into water?" Then I said, "Be careful, it's a trick question". I would have given Joey credit for two different answers because I recognized that I was unclear.  Water is at a lower energy state than the gases would be, so without an input of energy from outside the system, it couldn't disassociate.  I would have also accepted the actual calculations of the change in entropy (in joules) of the system. Joey's response was "But I get the trick question.  There's no such thing as one molecule of water." What followed was a hilarious discussion of Joe not understanding 9th grade chemistry (moles) and him continually trying to redefine water as only the liquid state of H2O. I also mentioned that it would be possible to tell what state a single molecule would be by measuring the kinetic energy of the molecule, but he didn't get that either.  Ice isn't just ice because it's linked to other molecules.  It can link to other molecules because the kinetic energy is reduced enough that hydrogen bonds are stronger than the motion of the molecules. Swish... right over his pointy little head. Prior to Ogre's masterful exposé of Joe's utter cluelessness, and perhaps leading into it, there was ongoing stick-poking of Joe resulting from his  vehement insistence that hail is not made of water. IIRC, that was preceded by his lecturing us that a baseball and a hailstone of the exact same dimensions are not the same size. Hail is STILL made up of ICE. RAIN is made up of water. If you assholes still can't tell the difference between hail and rain, well YOU are the morons. Also I said if the hail and baseball have the same measurements- including weight, then they are the same size. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,06:30    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 01 2013,23:46) Hey joey, you say: "IOW complex specified information is a term to differentiate between Shannon Information and information that has a specific meaning." But dumbski, your fearful leader, says: "To define CSI requires only the mereological and statistical aspects of information. No syntax or theory of meaning is required." Which one of you IDiots is wrong? twit- you are a moron. Dembski is saying that we do NOT have to know the meaning- and we don't. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,06:33    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 01 2013,19:35) Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 01 2013,15:03) [url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/information]information[/a]: b: the attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects See also “Meyer, “Signature in the Cell” page 86 When Shannon developed his information theory he was not concerned about "specific effects". Shannon was looking for a way to quantify information, regardless of any meaning. Shannon gave us a way to check for a proper transmission (across a communication channel) and storage of information, counting bits. He also gave us a way to figure out the information carrying capacity of any signal. He did that by linking information to uncertainty and then linking that to measures of probability. But anyway, that is why Dembski used “specified information”- Specified Information is Shannon Information with meaning/ function. Meaning/ function is observed and then Shannon’s methodology is applied to quantify it. So when IDists speak of "information" we are talking about specified information. THAT is the information used in and associated with information technology and everyday living. It is also the "information" without which communication would be impossible. So even Dembski admits that information does not equal meaning. Otherwise you would have information + information, which is just silly. Another own goal from JoeG.  Give him a hand folks. No, Dembski does not admit that information does not equal meaning. Everyone in the world knows that information = meaning. That is how the word is normally used, dipshit. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,06:35    Quote (REC @ Mar. 06 2013,16:22) JoeMarch 6, 2013 at 5:28 am   Quote Eric: …denies the existence of design as a causal explanation. Alan Fox: That’s clearly using “design” as a noun. LoL! No Alan, that is clearly using “design” as a VERB, ie to do something, duh. Later....   Quote LoL! Alan, yes the word “design” can be a noun. I never said otherwise. However the word “design” can also be a verb, as in “Joe built his house’s addition by design, as opposed to willy-nilly.” Or “Joe assembled the furniture by design, ie via the plan and procedure provided by the manufacturer.” So my original point stands. What was your point, Alan? Eric’s use of the word “design” was as a verb. Should we give him partial credit for getting to adverbs in his example? Later he links to the dictionary, and by the end of the thread, Alan Fox is giving remedial grammar lessons. Hi Bob, Alan doesn't know Jack about grammer. And obvioulsy neither do you. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,06:45    Ahhh, Joe again has no one to talk to. No one comes to his stupid blog. No one converses with him at UD. So he comes to us for another wedgie. Welcome, Joe! -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,07:20    Quote Joe assembled the furniture by design 'Design' is a verb in that sentence? Eeeenteresting. "Joe assembled the furniture carefully" "Joe assembled the furniture by accident" "Joe assembled the furniture by design" "Joe assembled the furniture on purpose" In which cases is the clause after 'furniture' a verb? -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2013,07:33    So ronrey! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

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