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Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2007,21:47    actually, I'm glad it was a mistake. as dishonest with themselves as the typical id supporter is, that struck me as a new low. I'm indeed glad it hasn't come to direct editing of posts, rather than simple deletions. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2007,21:54    Quote Dembski: Question: Who are you to tell us to get to work?? Us? There is more than one of you? Dr D. Dembski has a doppleganger? He can't be talking about Mr 'cheezy farts' DT or Saint Sal the sand and sandle groupie, they don't actually DO anything. So, who is this royal we? Could there be a Mr Hyde to Dr Dembski? In Dembski's false is true parallel tardi-verse one wonders what he looks like. RTH to the photo archives! -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2007,22:14    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2007,21:33) 6 William Dembski 03/08/2007 6:05 pm JMP83: Oh, but we are working. Question: Who are you to tell us to get to work?? Maybe he's someone who saw ID luminaries say you'd need to do more work: Quote Easily the biggest challenge facing the ID community is to develop a full-fledged theory of biological design. We don't have such a theory now, and that's a real problem. Without a theory it's very hard to know where to direct your research focus. Right now we've got a bag of powerful intuitions, and a handful of notions such as “irreducible complexity” and “specified complexity” - but as yet no general theory of biological design. -Paul Nelson Maybe he's someone whose seen Dembski Himself say they needed to do more work: Quote 30 September 2005 Life After Dover William Dembski Before the Dover trial concludes, I want to offer some remarks about what I take will be its long-term significance. I want to do this now so that critics won’t be in a position to accuse me of spinning or rationalizing the outcome of the trial once it is reached (of course, they’ll still find fault, but that’s par for the course). As I see it, there are three possible outcomes:   1. The Dover policy, in which students are informed that the ID textbook Of Pandas and People is in their library, is upheld.   2. The Dover policy is overturned but the scientific status of ID is left unchallenged.   3. The Dover policy is not only overturned but ID is ruled as nonscientific. (snip) To sum up, we might say that outcome 1. would be a recipe for complacency, outcome 2. would encourage us to take greater care and try again, and option 3. would inspire us to work that much harder for ID’s ultimate success. I trust that Providence will bring about the outcome that will best foster ID’s ultimate success. and he has since seen you fail to do any work. Last issue: Quote Volume 4.2, November 2005 ISSN: 1555-5089 Quote scordova 03/08/2007 7:58 pm JMP83: ID people got to get to work. Most of the ID people sacrifice their time and money for the cause and could be doing something more profitable for their own lives. Some put their careers at risk. Unless you have something to offer, I suggest you keep your worthless advice to yourself. That's because most ID people are idiots. Dembski is not. Dembski gets Paid: Quote #11  None of the defense’s expert witnesses participated pro bono. All listed their fees— typically $100/hour, $200/hour in Dembski’s case— in their expert witness reports. http://www.csicop.org/intelligentdesignwatch/kitzmiller.html

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2007,22:42    GAK! UD has shut me down. Cleaned me out. I'm spent. Here's how they did it:   1) UD fell silent. Days passed. 2) In secret retort facilities, UD Friends, Contributors and Commenters alike labored day and night, generating page upon page of ponderous, dimwitted, illogical, self-serving commentary. 3) The floodgates opened and GilDodg'em, Scorned'Ova, Uncommonly Denyse, WAD, TheOddIsUs, and BlarneyA simultaneously disgorged the fruits of their labors. I endeavored to drink their swill, all in a sitting.  This was very like the prep for a recent colonoscopy, which entailed drinking a gallon of flavored dishwater. Tolerable at first, but after an hour one can barely look at the stuff, much less drink it.     Got that UD? You guys read like a colonoscopy clean-out. And that's with DS on sabbatical. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2007,23:04    Hold it, hold it right there (Dembski): Quote I am a Christian, and the example of our Lord blah, blah, my policy to firmly resist all pressures from people who think it’s their right or duty to tell me whom I may associate with and what sorts of penalties I will face if I don’t distance myself from the wrong crowd (I faced such pressures continually in my days at Baylor, and I never buckled to them). But according to an article written that was sympathetic to Dembski, he rarely set foot on campus: Quote Dembski spends most of his time at home with his family these days, even though he still has a five-year contract as an associate research professor at Baylor. He doesn't like going to the university's campus. He's much more comfortable here, surrounded by his stretch of land that came complete with a horse and a fishing pond. It's the perfect place to ponder life's great questions... In God's Country by Lauren Kern, last paragraph. And Dembski himself said: "In a sense, Baylor did me a favor. I had a five-year sabbatical." (Yeah, I love reading that after a frantic day at the museum. Must be rough.) Evil wikipedia says:   Quote Dembski was removed as the center's director, although he remained an associate research professor until May 2005. He was not asked to teach any courses in that time and instead worked from home, writing books and speaking around the country. So, what's he pissing and moaning about it for now? Yeah, and who is anybody to tell him to get to work? He's not exactly in the working business. Besides, he's got his hands full, enabling the incoherent rantings of pathetic, mentally ill dupes like Doug. P.S. I meant what I said earlier - I'm seriously becoming alarmed at the level of delusion at UD. Are there any mental health professionals out there monitoring this site? If not, I'll consider having a psychologist take a look at what's happening over at the paranoia factory. And as for Dembski, I think that for him to need obviously sick people like Doug (he makes TroutMAC sound coherent) as supporters is beyond irresponsible. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2007,23:26    Kristine Posted on Mar. 09 2007,07:04   Quote .....And as for Dembski, I think that for him to need obviously sick people like Doug (he makes TroutMAC sound coherent) as supporters is beyond irresponsible. Well after 40 days in the wilderness 5 years pondering his own divinity, he should be able to provide them with his proprietary salve. No not his $, the product he exchanges for them. The useless musings of an idiot. A fair cure for the  tortured sychophantic echos that line up for his cold teat. To purchase more cheap nonsense. They deserve each other. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,00:07    Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 08 2007,23:04) Yeah, and who is anybody to tell him to get to work? He's not exactly in the working business. Besides, he's got his hands full, enabling the incoherent rantings of pathetic, mentally ill dupes like Doug. P.S. I meant what I said earlier - I'm seriously becoming alarmed at the level of delusion at UD. Are there any mental health professionals out there monitoring this site? If not, I'll consider having a psychologist take a look at what's happening over at the paranoia factory. And as for Dembski, I think that for him to need obviously sick people like Doug (he makes TroutMAC sound coherent) as supporters is beyond irresponsible. As far as I can tell, they are both internally consistent. Dembski is fleecing the rubes and Doug is expressing his worldview. Both are consistent within their respective spheres. Both present their worldview coherently and reasonably articulately. And finally, both can be parsed reasonably easily given a knowledge of the language each uses. But DaveTard. Now that is a whole other league. Not to dis receptionists but for some reason, I have a wierd picture of his wife now given the other information I have collected. Tard on a supertardaliciousexpialotardous level. Consistency?  WHatever "toe the wingnuts' line today" is. It takes special, really really special, excretardy tard to be dt. I would be so embarrassed to be friends with him. I mean, you'd be at the bar5 and some hot lady'd walk up and say "Who's the Tard?" What could you do? You'd have to say, "Not just tard, plain old ordinary tard. THis tard reigns supreme amongst the deepest caverns of tard. The guano is litterally limitless in this tards spelunking arena. I am with the posterboy of the whole world's tard." And smack him on the back. "Watch him write the word homo. Dave, goddammit, write the fucking word down so the lady can see how you do it." THen, once she was satistfied that the tard was genuine, you could tell him to get the he11 back up on the fridge where he belongs. THat'd be the only way out. ANd you'd be sweating whether she was gonna buy it the whole time. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,01:15    LOL You forgot the cigarrette dangling out the corner of your mouth and what color high heels she was wearing. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,01:23    Esprit ultra-light extra-thin menthol-enriched with of course black stillettos. And Dembski would be across the bar playing video poker and cursing while Doug would be the drunkest person there asking anyone to dare him to dance naked on the table with that Taylor Hicks move he does so well when he's drunk. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,03:00    Quote (k.e @ Mar. 08 2007,23:26) The useless musings of an idiot. That made me LOL! That describes Dumbski and his work to a tee! I bet he wishes Joey had just shut up now, and not dragged the T.Foundation "error" back into the limelight! -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,04:33    Quote (BWE @ Mar. 09 2007,01:23) Esprit ultra-light extra-thin menthol-enriched with of course black stillettos. And Dembski would be across the bar playing video poker and cursing while Doug would be the drunkest person there asking anyone to dare him to dance naked on the table with that Taylor Hicks move he does so well when he's drunk. why do i get the feeling you spend time at some very interesting bars? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

steve_h Posts: 544 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,06:45    Barry talks about his piles   Quote Apparently, the student assumes if a researcher performs a scientific investigation of a phenomenon and concludes that design by an intelligent agent is the best explanation for the phenomenon, the matter is then settled and all further scientific inquiry is foreclosed. Shah shah shah (*).  They won't be using ID to further the research will they? To get any further they would have to resort to materialist science.  Any conclusion they 'tentatively' (yeah right) reached was foregone - as they had almost certainly concluded all life was designed long before they'd even heard of ID. (*) I think it means "Why am I cursed with this idiot of a grandson".

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,07:33    scordova             Quote the fact remains Darwin and math don’t mix. Darwin viewed math to be repugnant, and his lack of mathematical insight permeates his illogical ideas about the evolution of life. Mathematics permeates modern evolutionary theory, such as in the analysis of the phylogenetic tree or the statistics of natural selection and genetic drift. Try reading some journals or something. Bioinformatics, new developments in genome bioinformatics and computational biology. http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/ Eric Anderson             Quote One of the things that struck me when I read Origin was that Darwin provided essentially no numerical, quantifiable calculations or analyses — virtually no math to speak of. No, Darwin did something better than meeting the requirements of your strawman. Darwin provided a strongly supported scientific theory that made a number of testable claims that have been vindicated by generations of research. (He also did significant biological studies from barnacles to earthworms to the fertilization of orchids, not to mention his adventures on the Beagle.) BarryA             Quote If all scientific conclusions are contingent, why does our student assume that only conclusions that an intelligent agent acted are non-contingent inquiry enders? Because what IDers have already said is based on fallacy and wishful thinking. Because IDers have nothing more to say. Because their ideas are scientifically sterile and lead to no new insights. JMP83             Quote want to make a plea to Design Theorists like Bill Dembski and others. PLEASE GET TO WORK. We have got to find something to get momentum going again. The reason you have to even make such a plea is telling. There is no work to be done in ID. It's an intellectual deadend. Compare to just what one 19th century naturalist accomplished. Remember Darwin when you are gardening in the soil and see an earthworm. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Raevmo Posts: 235 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,08:08    Quote scordova             the fact remains Darwin and math don’t mix. Darwin viewed math to be repugnant, and his lack of mathematical insight permeates his illogical ideas about the evolution of life. The level of math in a random copy of Evolution is way over that pathetic scumbag Scordova's head. -------------- After much reflection I finally realized that the best way to describe the cause of the universe is: the great I AM. --GilDodgen

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,08:17    ...Warning ....warning ...tard-plosion danger...a critical mass of tards are creating a stupidity event horizon. Anyone with an IQ above normal is advised to give Sal's intelligence black hole a wide berth or forever have it sucked into THE VORTEX. Gee Sal is getting desperate .....next he'll be saying Darwin followed brighter lights around like a puppy dog  and couldn't get a screw in a whore house. Dang, those 150 year old virgins. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,08:45    Quote (Raevmo @ Mar. 09 2007,08:08)         Quote scordova             the fact remains Darwin and math don’t mix. Darwin viewed math to be repugnant, and his lack of mathematical insight permeates his illogical ideas about the evolution of life. The level of math in a random copy of Evolution is way over ... Scordova's head. I'll take that challenge! Evolution: International Journal of Organic Evolution, January 2007 HOST LIFE SPAN AND THE EVOLUTION OF RESISTANCE CHARACTERISTICS PHYLOGENETIC EVIDENCE OF HOST-SPECIFIC CRYPTIC SPECIES IN THE ANTHER SMUT FUNGUS: Phylogenetic trees were reconstructed by maximum parsimony (MP), neighbor joining (NJ), and Bayesian inference. MP and NJ analyses were performed using PAUP version 4.0b10 (Swofford 2003). SPECIALIZATION AND LOCAL ADAPTATION OF A FUNGAL PARASITE ON TWO HOST PLANT SPECIES AS REVEALED BY TWO FITNESS TRAITS SEXUAL DIMORPHISM IN THE QUANTITATIVE-GENETIC ARCHITECTURE OF FLORAL, LEAF, AND ALLOCATION TRAITS IN SILENE LATIFOLIA ANTAGONISTIC MULTILEVEL SELECTION ON SIZE AND ARCHITECTURE IN VARIABLE DENSITY SETTINGS ECOLOGICAL DIVERGENCE ASSOCIATED WITH MATING SYSTEM CAUSES NEARLY COMPLETE REPRODUCTIVE ISOLATION BETWEEN SYMPATRIC MIMULUS SPECIES CONDITION DEPENDENCE, QUANTITATIVE GENETICS, AND THE POTENTIAL SIGNAL CONTENT OF IRIDESCENT ULTRAVIOLET BUTTERFLY COLORATION: We calculated 95% confidence intervals for each heritability estimate by multiplying its standard error by the t = 0.05 value (1.96 in all cases), which indicated whether each estimate differed significantly from zero... The thermal variability treatments impinged negatively upon both peak UV brightness (F2,671 = 19.19, P < 0.001), and angular breadth (F2,678 = 60.92, P < 0.001), but did not affect UV hue (F2,679 = 2.43, P = 0.088), orange chroma (F2,677 = 1.20; P = 0.30), or orange hue (F2,679 = 2.66, P = 0.070), and only marginally affected orange brightness (F2,677 = 3.31, P < 0.05). EVOLUTIONARY REPLACEMENT OF COMPONENTS IN A SALAMANDER PHEROMONE SIGNALING COMPLEX: MORE EVIDENCE FOR PHENOTYPIC-MOLECULAR DECOUPLING And so on and so on. Gosh! It's ALL math. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,09:33    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 08 2007,22:14) Dembski gets Paid:   Quote #11  None of the defense’s expert witnesses participated pro bono. All listed their fees— typically $100/hour, $200/hour in Dembski’s case— in their expert witness reports. http://www.csicop.org/intelligentdesignwatch/kitzmiller.html That is the only way they can convince people that ID is worth anything - charge for it! -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,09:44    Wow, I just found out that I'm working in an ID lab! Quote The funny thing is, a lot of scientists who don’t know it (or won’t admit it) are doing ID research. If nature really is intelligently designed, anyone who looks will find evidence of it whether or not it says “ID RESEARCH DEPARTMENT” on their door. Just kidding. I always knew I worked in an ID lab. Of course, Sagebrush Tardener means Infectious Disease, right? No? I guess I'm studying the intelligently designed mechanisms of syphilis pathogenesis, then. What a sicko this Telic Entity must be. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,09:45    Oh, man.  Joseph goes off-script: Quote The main problem is that anti-IDists seem to think that ID is ONLY about detecting design. Joseph, meet DaveScot: Quote The definition I pointed you to clearly states ID is the science of design detection. It is not about determining design methods. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,09:49    Zachriel Posted on Mar. 09 2007,16:45   Quote I'll take that challenge! Oh really? Must you? (he said dryly) You're a cruel cruel man  Zachriel. A trivial slapdown executed with non trivial material...where did that happen before....oh yeah ....the infamous Behe book pile at Dover. Well I could match it with another pathetic detail. An Algebra for Theoretical Genetics the 1940 Ph.D. thesis at MIT produced by Claude Elwood Shannon. aka......Claude E. Shannon: Founder of Information Theory  and decribed by SCIAM as "...an extraordinary scientist who single-handedly launched classical information theory " and "Shannon's M.I.T. master's thesis in electrical engineering has been called the most important of the 20th century" Yes THE REAL NEWTON OF INFORMATION THEORY. Sal how will SCIAM describe Dembski ? And what did he do single handedly? Your hero Sal, has what scientific crediblity again? Doesn't he teach bible appreciation and tardi-dermy to dimwits at a gated virgin holding paddock? Please regale us with his numerous awards and the glowing reviews by actual scientists. Early school reports of Dembski's career reveal he suffered nose bleeds when asked to answer questions without making the reply last less than a day and conjugating triple negatives. -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Bebbo Posts: 161 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,10:31    Quote (hooligans @ Mar. 08 2007,13:47) I love how I got booted over at UD for suggesting to Dr. Dr. Dembski that calling an impartial judge a narcissitic putz was innapropriate and unchristian. Now dembski has the gall to pretend that he has values:   Quote I am a Christian, and the example of our Lord is not to shun people or set up a caste system of more, or less, acceptable people. BS. Dembski . . . you are a total fraud! That's pretty rich coming from Dembski who once posted something which implied he supported the idea of shooting to kill looters.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,10:33    Quote As far as I can tell, they are both internally consistent. Yeah? Well that’s also a component of paranoiac schizophrenia (along with high intelligence and high functioning capability, personal magnetism, etc.). I think a couple people over there (commenters) are candidates, and they shouldn’t have their behavior enabled.   Quote Dembski is fleecing the rubes and Doug is expressing his worldview. Both are consistent within their respective spheres. Both present their worldview coherently and reasonably articulately. And finally, both can be parsed reasonably easily given a knowledge of the language each uses. I don’t agree. Our William Dembski is one smooth operator, shape-shifting to morph with whatever audience is in front of his nose. Check out this story. Quite revealing. Barry: Quote In a post earlier today Denyse responded to a student’s charge that ID is a “God of the gaps” scientific show stopper.  Apparently, the student assumes if a researcher performs a scientific investigation of a phenomenon and concludes that design by an intelligent agent is the best explanation for the phenomenon, the matter is then settled and all further scientific inquiry is foreclosed.  But that is not the way science works.  All scientific conclusions are tentative and contingent. …yadda…For centuries most physicists looking at Newton’s theories probably would have disagreed with Popper.  We know the answers, they probably thought.  …yadda…All scientific conclusions are subject to revision. Scientists should never be satisfied (in an absolute sense) with ANY conclusion. What utter bullshit. That has already happened. Creationists already armed with a design inference looked at the evidence and came up with natural selection and Mendalian heredity laws. Is Barry saying that once ID makes it into the textbooks and the schools, and brings “this nation back to Christ” (Dembski), they would still entertain that their conclusions are “tentative and contingent”? Of course not. Behe himself said that there was no point in studying the development (evolution) of the immune system because we “know” it’s designed. They don’t have to match our “pathetic level of detail,” remember. Man, oh man, am I putting together the details on Dembski – and it’s pathetic, I have to say. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

2ndclass Posts: 182 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,11:10    Sal: Quote By contrast, Darwin’s non-equations have done nothing for the world of science and modern technology. Let the world of science commemorate things like Maxwell’s Year more than Darwin Day. Myopia at its best.  If Sal had majored in home economics, he would be lobbying for Betty Crocker Year and proclaiming Maxwell a useless good-for-nothing. -------------- "I wasn't aware that classical physics had established a position on whether intelligent agents exercising free were constrained by 2LOT into increasing entropy." -DaveScot

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,11:17    Quote (k.e @ Mar. 09 2007,09:49) Zachriel Posted on Mar. 09 2007,16:45       Quote I'll take that challenge! Oh really? Must you? (he said dryly) You're a cruel cruel man  Zachriel. A trivial slapdown executed with non trivial material...where did that happen before....oh yeah ....the infamous Behe book pile at Dover. Well I could match it with another pathetic detail. An Algebra for Theoretical Genetics the 1940 Ph.D. thesis at MIT produced by Claude Elwood Shannon. aka......Claude E. Shannon: Founder of Information Theory  and decribed by SCIAM as "...an extraordinary scientist who single-handedly launched classical information theory " and "Shannon's M.I.T. master's thesis in electrical engineering has been called the most important of the 20th century" Yes THE REAL NEWTON OF INFORMATION THEORY. Hold it there. I thought Dembski was the "Isaac Newton of Information Theory". As far as I understood, it was only a matter of time before Dembski received an honorary knighthood, and is certainly next in line for the Lucasian Chair of Mathematics at Cambridge once Stephen Hawking retires (or if tragically lost in space). -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,11:29    scordova   Quote In contrast to Darwin, there was the ID proponent and creationist James Clerk Maxwell who was a math and physics genius. Maxwell: In the case of living beings, however, the generation of individuals is always going on, each individual differing more or less from its parent. Each individual during its whole life is undergoing modification, and it either survives and propagates its species, or dies early, accordingly as it is more or less adapted to the circumstances of its environment. Hence, it has been found possible to frame a theory of the distribution of organisms into species by means of generation, variation, and discriminative destruction. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,11:34    I'm glad that we Darwinists see Maxwell for what he was, a fraud, a charlatan, and a liar, whose mind was perverted by religion so that he couldn't do any science at all. This is our standard response to any and all non-materialists, and it serves us well.  We don't have to think through anything that goes against our religion, and we banish any heretics and apostates to exile from the science community. ......... Oh ####, that was all a flashback caused by my fundamentalist upbringing (honestly, drugs are the real threat to minds?) and triggered by UD's (jerry excepted, though he's as insipid and useless in biology as the rest of them) politics of personal destruction.   Maxwell, an icon for doing extremely good science in the field of electromagnetic physics, Darwin an icon for doing extremely good science in the field of biology.  That Maxwell was creationist is no more damning than that Darwin was trained for the clergy. Of course if they really want to fault Darwin, they'd not be bringing up his (virtually meaningless in biology of his day) lack of mathematial prowess, rather they'd be pointing to his clerical training as a major factor in this supposed deficit, and would try to rubbish him for learning theological dogmatism of the sort evinced by Dembski. You can just see the ressentiment churning up oppositional thought on UD, as they try to fault Darwin for not being Maxwell, when they were both excellent scientists, neither of whom had more than a mote of expertise in each others' field.  But if UDites didn't hate those that they oppose, they really wouldn't have any reason to oppose them, would they? Glen D -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,12:09    Dave Tard will start a new post tomorrow that dogs Darwin's lack of an engineering degree. Meanwhile Dimski is still a loser with 5 degrees who works at a 3rd world bible school.  And what the #### is a "reasearch professor" at a 3rd world bible school anyways? -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,13:07    This "Darwin did not know shit about math" thing over at UD at the moment really shows them up for the fools they are. No math involved in understanding evolution? Projection again, I suppose, after all there's no math in understanding ID whatsoever. And there's more science in making cake then there is in ID :) -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Wonderpants Posts: 115 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,14:07    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 08 2007,20:33) Quote I want to make a plea to Design Theorists like Bill Dembski and others. PLEASE GET TO WORK. //checks calendar He's right, they've gotta do some work. I mean, how long is it since the last ID book was published??  ;) -------------- Fundamentalism in a nutshell: "There are a lot of things I have concluded to be wrong, without studying them in-depth. Evolution is one of them. The fact that I don't know that much about it does not bother me in the least."

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 09 2007,15:18    Quote I want to make a plea to Design Theorists like Bill Dembski and others. PLEASE GET TO WORK. Ahem. If I may:     Quote "Five Year Objectives. Spiritual & cultural renewal: Mainline renewal movements begin to appropriate insights from design theory, and to repudiate theologies influenced by materialism Major Christian denomination(s) defend(s) traditional doctrine of creation & repudiate(s) Darwinism Seminaries increasingly recognize & repudiate naturalistic presuppositions Positive uptake in public opinion polls on issues such as sexuality, abortion and belief in God" (Wedge Strategy Discovery Institute, 1999.) ...so in other words, the above things were supposed to have all happened three years ago. Erm, *cough*. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

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