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Badger3k Posts: 861 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,11:09    Quote (Wolfhound @ June 24 2012,10:49) Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 23 2012,18:54) I love watching Upright Biped and kairosfocus just annihilate the trolls who pollute U.D. It's such a joy. kairosfocus is especially brilliant. It's no wonder he's so hated here. He's like LeBron James -- so brilliant at what he does that it's almost scary. Every single one of you who have had the balls to face kairosfocus in the debating circle  have been severely trounced. Every one of your claims have been demolished. He is a one-man, Darwinist-destroying machine. How many of you wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats after having nightmares of kairosfocus? Be honest. His superior intellect scares you. Okay.  I call Poe.  Nobody (except Joe G) is this fucking stupid. ChunkDZ doesn't write such homoerotic-laden imagery.  Chunk, is that you?  Does Jammer haz a man-crush (or a woman crush - no idea what sex Jammer is)? -------------- "Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,12:29    Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 24 2012,10:00) Does Dr. Jammer not attribute his material? Or do we have our Dr. Jammer here? Could be. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

George Posts: 316 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,12:34    Well, if Dr Jammer isn't a Poe, then he might be Max Andrews, philosophy grad student studying the fine-tuning cosmology argument.  That's where the flowchart is from, but looking at the trackbacks, it was also posted on UD from where anyone could have gotten it. I still think Dr J is 'Ras, though.  PM yourself! ETA:  Bugger.  Scooped.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,12:36    Shocking, IDiot Jammer doesn't answer objections, and misses the most important reaction to IDiocy, how it fails to explain a damned thing, then the IDiots just repeat their stupid lies again, whining that they aren't treated right. Of course the lesser objections arise as it becomes clear that these bozos have absolutely no interest in learning what's wrong with ID.  The religious motivations are brought up, the lies, the lack of serious scholarship, the pitiful moaning about "mistreatment" of swine who have done almost nothing but unfairly malign honest work and scientists from the beginning. The fact is that early on the IDiots were answered, and they've failed to respond adequately to those answers.   Quoting Jones is excellent for the fact that it encapsulates the various philosophical reasons why IDiocy fails, as well as the science that shows that it's vapid nonsense.  The IDiots complained that they weren't taken seriously even when they were, then when it is even considered seriously in court (vice strategy, anyone?) and found to be worthless tripe, all that mindless jammering fools do is whine when one refers to that level playing field, all because it shows what bilge IDiocy produces anywhere and everywhere. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,15:58    What more is there to say? -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,16:25    Quote (Quack @ June 24 2012,16:58) What more is there to say? Nothing.  Fortunately, UD is up to the task of saying it verbosely.

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,17:40    O'Leary refines her hypocrisy: "Out of curiosity, Denyse, have you ever actually read The Selfish Gene?" Quote I wouldn’t be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. It is an artifact of a science popularizer’s imagination. Same for the “meme.” ...and Gauger's pamphlet: Quote lastyearon is simply trying to misdirect a discussion around a technical issue that he has avoided by the expedient of jumping in without having read the book. If he comes back here without having read it, we will ban him.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,18:49    Quote (REC @ June 24 2012,17:40) O'Leary refines her hypocrisy: "Out of curiosity, Denyse, have you ever actually read The Selfish Gene?" Quote I wouldn’t be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. It is an artifact of a science popularizer’s imagination. Same for the “meme.” ...and Gauger's pamphlet: Quote lastyearon is simply trying to misdirect a discussion around a technical issue that he has avoided by the expedient of jumping in without having read the book. If he comes back here without having read it, we will ban him. Buy my book or else! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

NormOlsen Posts: 104 Joined: Nov. 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,19:04    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2012,18:49)   Quote (REC @ June 24 2012,17:40) O'Leary refines her hypocrisy: "Out of curiosity, Denyse, have you ever actually read The Selfish Gene?"     Quote I wouldn’t be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. It is an artifact of a science popularizer’s imagination. Same for the “meme.” ...and Gauger's pamphlet:     Quote lastyearon is simply trying to misdirect a discussion around a technical issue that he has avoided by the expedient of jumping in without having read the book. If he comes back here without having read it, we will ban him. Buy my book or else! Whenever Denyse refers to herself using the Royal we, I can't help but picture her as Gollum. "We will bans him! Yeees, precious, we will!"

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,19:36    Quote (NormOlsen @ June 24 2012,19:04) Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2012,18:49)   Quote (REC @ June 24 2012,17:40) O'Leary refines her hypocrisy: "Out of curiosity, Denyse, have you ever actually read The Selfish Gene?"     Quote I wouldn’t be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. It is an artifact of a science popularizer’s imagination. Same for the “meme.” ...and Gauger's pamphlet:     Quote lastyearon is simply trying to misdirect a discussion around a technical issue that he has avoided by the expedient of jumping in without having read the book. If he comes back here without having read it, we will ban him. Buy my book or else! Whenever Denyse refers to herself using the Royal we, I can't help but picture her as Gollum. "We will bans him! Yeees, precious, we will!" Who did you have to hack to get the O'Leary Glam Shot? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,19:44    Quote (REC @ June 25 2012,10:40) O'Leary refines her hypocrisy: And Gregory is prepared for anything remotely critical Nick Matzke might have to say:   Quote ...Whether or not his presuppositions, ideology, background beliefs allow him to assess the book ‘neutrally’ is a question seemingly worth asking outside of the ‘objectivistic’ realm of natural sciences. Iow, what Nick ‘knows’ (or claims to know) in biology or genetics actually says little about how his worldview influences his answers on questions of ‘human origins. UD link. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,20:26    Quote (Ptaylor @ June 24 2012,20:44) Quote (REC @ June 25 2012,10:40) O'Leary refines her hypocrisy: And Gregory is prepared for anything remotely critical Nick Matzke might have to say:   Quote ...Whether or not his presuppositions, ideology, background beliefs allow him to assess the book ‘neutrally’ is a question seemingly worth asking outside of the ‘objectivistic’ realm of natural sciences. Iow, what Nick ‘knows’ (or claims to know) in biology or genetics actually says little about how his worldview influences his answers on questions of ‘human origins. UD link. And yet, without reading the book themselves, the usual UDiots know that Gauger is right. Pointing and laughing has long now been the only appropriate response to these nitwits.  It's too bad they're not introspective enough to understand why.

tsig Posts: 339 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,21:25    Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 23 2012,17:54) I love watching Upright Biped and kairosfocus just annihilate the trolls who pollute U.D. It's such a joy. kairosfocus is especially brilliant. It's no wonder he's so hated here. He's like LeBron James -- so brilliant at what he does that it's almost scary. Every single one of you who have had the balls to face kairosfocus in the debating circle  have been severely trounced. Every one of your claims have been demolished. He is a one-man, Darwinist-destroying machine. How many of you wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats after having nightmares of kairosfocus? Be honest. His superior intellect scares you. Cold sweats in the night? You should keep your  sexual fantasies to your self.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2012,22:19    Quote (Woodbine @ June 24 2012,03:09) Jammer candidates so far.... 1) Lou FCD 2) Kristine (the shimmying witch) 3) Louis Not I. My socks have brains. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

George Posts: 316 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,00:24    Quote (Lou FCD @ June 24 2012,22:19) Quote (Woodbine @ June 24 2012,03:09) Jammer candidates so far.... 1) Lou FCD 2) Kristine (the shimmying witch) 3) Louis Not I. My socks have brains. <HenryJ> Of course they do.  If they didn't have olfactory bulbs, how would they smell? </HenryJ>

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,03:50    Gordo: Quote And it is telling that somehow Paley’s time-keeping, self replicating watch seldom if ever gets seriously discussed by those who object to his key point. No Gordo, that's the point. Watches don't replicate.... Duh. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,05:09    Quote (Lou FCD @ June 24 2012,22:19) Quote (Woodbine @ June 24 2012,03:09) Jammer candidates so far.... 1) Lou FCD 2) Kristine (the shimmying witch) 3) Louis Not I. My socks have brains. Plus you banned yourself for sockpuppetry. I'm going for 'ras on this one. Or RichTARD Hughes. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,06:47    Gordo talks tone with Jerad:   Quote PS: On tone. I did not make up the names of the relevant fallacy, question-begging. As to the insinuation that I have been belligerent in the teeth of civility, that is patently over the top. Over several weeks others and I have tried to walk you through a range of evidence but in so doing, a pattern of errors in reasoning on your part has emerged. It is that which I have highlighted, using fairly standard terminology for fallacies, save that I have given my own descriptive term for what Greenleaf called “the error of the skeptic.” At some point, I did take time to speak to snide and smearing remarks at Anti Evo, in a context that celebrates your foray here as in effect an exercise in laughing up your sleeve. I do appreciate the fact that you have not been overtly abusive, but that does not change the fact that there are identifiable and correctable flaws in your arguments, some of which have been highlighted. Do, please correct such. And, do notice, I am not arguing to “prove” to you that the design view is right — scientific reasoning has been known to be inescapably provisional since the days of Newton — but that there is reasonable warrant for someone to hold such a view, and indeed it is superior to the Darwinist mechanisms on an inference to best current explanation in light of observational evidence basis. What a POS:   Quote I do appreciate the fact that you have not been overtly abusive, but that does not change the fact that there are identifiable and correctable flaws in your arguments, some of which have been highlighted. Do, please correct such. This from someone who has never admitted error despite being shown to be wrong? Gordo, beam, mote, eye etc. Lol. In the comment preceding that one he finishes with:   Quote But, at least, onlookers can see that if so intelligent and informed a defender of the Darwinist position has to use rhetorical resorts like that, the game is pretty much over. Yeah Gordo, who else thinks rhetoric beats science? Hmm, let me think now.... What a piece of work. And yes, Gordo, I for one am laughing up my sleeve. Constantly... -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,06:52    Quote Over several weeks others and I have tried to walk you through a range of evidence but in so doing, a pattern of errors in reasoning on your part has emerged. If Gordo really was anything like what a scientist should be he'd be willing to allow others to lead *him* through a range of evidence and correct his errors in reasoning. Like if, for example, he came here and defended one of his claims. But he'll never do that. He already knows "the truth" and mere facts will never ever change his mind. He's too much of a coward to challenge his own assumptions. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,08:20    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 24 2012,12:29) Does Dr. Jammer not attribute his material? Or do we have our Dr. Jammer here? Could be. Could be. But then, I've had this suspicion about "Dr." Jammer's true identity: -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,08:37    From that amazon link: Quote FRANCIS PETTIT says: Donald W. Owen writes: >> Please provide a reference for this quote: "It happened by a magic puff of smoke." << Thanks for asking, Mr. Owen, I am glad to oblige with references for all claims I make. Feel free to ask about all the other statements I can also back up with references. * Michale Behe on Poof! Theory: * From Blogger "Darwinian Conservative", Larry Arnhart: "A few years ago, I lectured at Hillsdale College as part of a week-long lecture series on the intelligent design debate. After Michael Behe's lecture, some of us pressed him to explain exactly how the intelligent designer created the various "irreducibly complex" mechanisms that cannot--according to Behe--be explained as products of evolution by natural selection. He repeatedly refused to answer. But after a long night of drinking, he finally answered: *** "A puff of smoke!" **** A physicist in the group asked, Do you mean a suspension of the laws of physics? Yes, Behe answered." -- [ Larry Arnhart's Darwinian Conservatism blog, Thursday, September 07, 2006. ]http://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/2006.......n.html] William Dembski on Poof! Theory: William Dembski: "...I'm certainly not an advocate of universal common ancestry. I just don't think the fossil record bears it out. I think the Cambrian explosion is a perfect example, where you have just utter, you have these forms which are just there, *** Poof! *** And there are no precursors." [Hitchens-Dembski Debate Nov 2010, ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....elated] [His statement that there were no precursors is of course false, as any paleontologist could tell you.] David Berlinski has the most detailed and complete version of Poof! Theory: Berlinski: "... Before the Cambrian era, a brief 600 million years ago, very little is inscribed in the fossil record; but then, signaled by what I imagine as ** A SPECTRAL PUFF OF SMOKE AND A DEAFENING TA-DA! ***, an astonishing number of novel biological structures come into creation, and they come into creation at once." -- [The Deniable Darwin (June 1996), Commentary magazine.] David Berlinski has devised the most highly detailed theory of intelligent design so far, by adding the word "TA-DA!" In a few more years, Poof! Theorists may finish work on their super-sophisticated "Abra Cadabra" model. And a century from now, Poof! Theorists may even be able to tell us how sparkly the poof-ball was, or what was its content of pixie dust. Hey, Gordo, tell me again how ID gets us to those "Islands of functionality"? Would it be *pif paf pooof* by any chance at all? Link -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,08:55    Quote (Bob O'H @ June 25 2012,05:09) Quote (Lou FCD @ June 24 2012,22:19) Quote (Woodbine @ June 24 2012,03:09) Jammer candidates so far.... 1) Lou FCD 2) Kristine (the shimmying witch) 3) Louis Not I. My socks have brains. Plus you banned yourself for sockpuppetry. I'm going for 'ras on this one. Or RichTARD Hughes. The designer inference for me (Yes ID twunts, designER inference) would have been FAR TWO MANY ALLCAPS AND MISPLENINKS. ALSO, HOMO-PHONES. HOMO. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,09:13    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 25 2012,04:47) Gordo talks tone with Jerad:     Quote PS: On tone. I did not make up the names of the relevant fallacy, question-begging. As to the insinuation that I have been belligerent in the teeth of civility, that is patently over the top. Over several weeks others and I have tried to walk you through a range of evidence but in so doing, a pattern of errors in reasoning on your part has emerged. It is that which I have highlighted, using fairly standard terminology for fallacies, save that I have given my own descriptive term for what Greenleaf called “the error of the skeptic.” At some point, I did take time to speak to snide and smearing remarks at Anti Evo, in a context that celebrates your foray here as in effect an exercise in laughing up your sleeve. I do appreciate the fact that you have not been overtly abusive, but that does not change the fact that there are identifiable and correctable flaws in your arguments, some of which have been highlighted. Do, please correct such. And, do notice, I am not arguing to “prove” to you that the design view is right — scientific reasoning has been known to be inescapably provisional since the days of Newton — but that there is reasonable warrant for someone to hold such a view, and indeed it is superior to the Darwinist mechanisms on an inference to best current explanation in light of observational evidence basis. What a POS:     Quote I do appreciate the fact that you have not been overtly abusive, but that does not change the fact that there are identifiable and correctable flaws in your arguments, some of which have been highlighted. Do, please correct such. This from someone who has never admitted error despite being shown to be wrong? Gordo, beam, mote, eye etc. Lol. In the comment preceding that one he finishes with:     Quote But, at least, onlookers can see that if so intelligent and informed a defender of the Darwinist position has to use rhetorical resorts like that, the game is pretty much over. Yeah Gordo, who else thinks rhetoric beats science? Hmm, let me think now.... What a piece of work. And yes, Gordo, I for one am laughing up my sleeve. Constantly... -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,09:35    Incidentally Dr. Jammer, aside from the fact that your claims of "Darwinist fears" of ID and evolution's imminent death are just rolling-on-the-floor funny, there's the little issue of them being...well... empty blustering. Bing and Google searches on "Intelligent Design" in the news amount mostly to human technology advancements. So where's the coverage of your much touted "intelligent design" as a scientific approach? ETA: punctuation Edited by Robin on June 25 2012,09:45 -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,11:52    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 25 2012,06:55) Quote (Bob O'H @ June 25 2012,05:09) Quote (Lou FCD @ June 24 2012,22:19)   Quote (Woodbine @ June 24 2012,03:09) Jammer candidates so far.... 1) Lou FCD 2) Kristine (the shimmying witch) 3) Louis Not I. My socks have brains. Plus you banned yourself for sockpuppetry. I'm going for 'ras on this one. Or RichTARD Hughes. The designer inference for me (Yes ID twunts, designER inference) would have been FAR TWO MANY ALLCAPS AND MISPLENINKS. ALSO, HOMO-PHONES. HOMO. Do you like wrestlers, Dr Jammer? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,12:35    Does this mean that Behe, Dembski and Berlinski are poofsters? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,14:48    Out of curiosity, does anyone know what kairosfocus is talking about when he references a "constitutional crisis"?  I've looked at the Montserrat news recently and didn't see any kind of crisis nor any mention of anyone with the initials GEM creating one. Unfortunately, he's no worse than some politicians in the deep south of the US, so I'm willing to believe it's possible that he might be a semi-prominent member of the street sweepers union on a sufficiently small island.

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,15:19    Quote (Patrick @ June 25 2012,14:48) Out of curiosity, does anyone know what kairosfocus is talking about when he references a "constitutional crisis"?  I've looked at the Montserrat news recently and didn't see any kind of crisis nor any mention of anyone with the initials GEM creating one. Unfortunately, he's no worse than some politicians in the deep south of the US, so I'm willing to believe it's possible that he might be a semi-prominent member of the street sweepers union on a sufficiently small island. Don't know about the latest crisis, but here is one from 2010. It concerns teh gays. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,15:24    Quote (olegt @ June 25 2012,15:19) Quote (Patrick @ June 25 2012,14:48) Out of curiosity, does anyone know what kairosfocus is talking about when he references a "constitutional crisis"?  I've looked at the Montserrat news recently and didn't see any kind of crisis nor any mention of anyone with the initials GEM creating one. Unfortunately, he's no worse than some politicians in the deep south of the US, so I'm willing to believe it's possible that he might be a semi-prominent member of the street sweepers union on a sufficiently small island. Don't know about the latest crisis, but here is one from 2010. It concerns teh gays. "MILF","upskirt", "downblouse".. he seems very familiar with the vocabulary. What would Mr. Leathers say? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

NormOlsen Posts: 104 Joined: Nov. 2011 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2012,15:29    Quote (olegt @ June 25 2012,15:19)   Quote (Patrick @ June 25 2012,14:48) Out of curiosity, does anyone know what kairosfocus is talking about when he references a "constitutional crisis"?  I've looked at the Montserrat news recently and didn't see any kind of crisis nor any mention of anyone with the initials GEM creating one. Unfortunately, he's no worse than some politicians in the deep south of the US, so I'm willing to believe it's possible that he might be a semi-prominent member of the street sweepers union on a sufficiently small island. Don't know about the latest crisis, but here is one from 2010. It concerns teh gays. I thought it was this: Premier Meade seeks to delist Montserrat as a Colony at the UN

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