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Richardthughes

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,17:14

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,17:58

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BopDiddy,

There is some digital evidence that ties Galapagos Finch to Dembski and Marks. I'll comment on that later.

My ears are burning! Do go on.

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,18:03

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Did anyone ever hear a peep out of "The fig newton of information theory" Dembski on that list of fulfilled ID predictions he was crowing about a few weeks ago?

Good catch... I was wondering the same thing, but then I realized that Dembski sent the answer immediately to the Super Secret Squirell ID Lab for research, testing, and other sciencey sounding stuff.

Maybe he's waiting until he hears back from the Nobel Committee? That's Herman Nobel, and he chairs the committee that does the admittance pass / fail for the Baylor Cafeteria.

I have my own theory about Dembski's lack of predictions

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,18:26

Patience please! �I'm sure Dr Dr Dembski will enlighten us once his predictions have been rigorously and scientifically confirmed.

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,19:16

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Patience please! I'm sure Dr Dr Dembski will enlighten us once his predictions have been rigorously and scientifically confirmed.

First we ignored him, then we laughed at him, then we laughed at him some more, then we laughed at him even harder, and finally he'll wish we'd just ignore him again and let him slink quietly away.

That's my prediction, anyway.

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,22:24

Grandma Tard has a post on teh harder mathematicalics.

Brace yourselves.

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,22:39

Quote (N.Wells @ Feb. 12 2008,20:16)

Quote (steve_h @ Feb. 12 2008,18:26)

Patience please! I'm sure Dr Dr Dembski will enlighten us once his predictions have been rigorously and scientifically confirmed.

First we ignored him, then we laughed at him, then we laughed at him some more, then we laughed at him even harder, and finally he'll wish we'd just ignore him again and let him slink quietly away.

That's my prediction, anyway.

First we ignored them, then we laughed at them, then they compared each other to Newton and Galileo, then we laughed at them some more, then their journal went defunct, then we laughed at them even harder, then they told obvious lies in court and got smacked down and we were crying from laughing too hard, then they said they violated the Second Law of Thermodynamics, then we said, "Stop, stop, you're killing us." and our sides started hurting,...

Edited by stevestory on Feb. 12 2008,23:40

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,23:23

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Grandma Tard has a post on teh harder mathematicalics.

Brace yourselves.

Oh my god. It's as if Barbie aged fifty years, converted to fundangelical, and got a blog*. "Math is hard!" has evolved into "Math is hard, and this disproves evolution, which is also hard. Too hard for me to learn."

*ETA: I actually mean "six blogs".

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,23:27

Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 12 2008,22:24)

Grandma Tard has a post on teh harder mathematicalics.

Brace yourselves.

Huh? Is she saying that God designed us to understand math, which he also designed? Plus Fred Flintstone?

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,23:36

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Grandma Tard has a post on teh harder mathematicalics.

Brace yourselves.

Egads that's bad.

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I�ve always found the connection between soft math and useful information easy (like, you get charged for a side of fries you never ordered, and never would have ordered). But HARD math? That�s about something else for sure.

Apparently DOL views easy math and hard math the same way that she views "micro" and "macro" evolution, as two distinctly different things that can never grade into one another because they just can't and because her mind just can't wrap itself around such a concept. Me, I think that it's all mathematics.

Assuming that we are talking about the same David Tyler (previously a resident looney at Theology.com), quoting David Tyler is a really bad start to any argument. I think her "British physicist David Tyler" is the same David J. Tyler who wrote, for example, "The young age of Earth", by David J. Tyler (D.Tyler@mmu.ac.uk). I think I heard that he has had some physics training (a bachelor's degree?), but he's a professor of clothing design in England ( http://www.hollings.mmu.ac.uk/~dtyler/ ). He certainly does not have a good grasp on geology and biology, anyway, even though he likes to pontificate on them.

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Here we have a human capacity that not only emerges, according to the byproduct hypothesis, from other capacities, but also provides fundamental insights into the structure of the physical universe (mathematics, is, after all, the language of physics). How could a capacity like that arise as the byproduct of a blind, evolutionary process, unguided by any intelligence?

Why shouldn't it? Simple math can be immensely helpful for survival, starting with being able to count your offspring and add up your enemies, and moving on from there.

(Edited to respond to Stevestory: OK, your version's better.....)

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,23:47

Grandma Tard: �

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An �adaptationist� hypothesis means that mathematical ability helped our ancestors survive and produce fertile children.

Yes, perhaps, ... but only up to a point.

It will certainly help you in a dispute with the checkout counter supervisor over $24.99 vs. $49.98, when you only bought one $24.99 item and have the whole bag with you, unopened.

These dramas surely played out in markets worldwide for many tens of thousands of years, whether they involved a pair of jeans, a toga, or a parka.

It may have been just a bit more important than that, Granny. �For example:

Fred Flintstone sees two bears enter a cave.
Fred Flintstone sees one bear leave the cave.
Fred Flintstone thinks: Two Minus One Equals Zero. �Cave is safe to enter.

Result: Natural selection wins again. �The gene pool loses a defective gene.

CeilingCat

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Posted: Feb. 12 2008,23:59

And bless our Loving God for also giving chimps math skills:

http://i.abcnews.com/Health/wireStory?id=4016889

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/12/are-you-smarter.html

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,00:55

Oh, just found this new tard

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peter borger

02/12/2008

10:36 am

Non Mendelian inheritance is often observed. It is caused by Variation inducing genetic elements VIGES, previously known as ERVs, LINEs, SINEs, ALUs, etc.

VIGES integrate into certain areas of non-coding parts of genetic instructions and modify protein expression patterns and other genetic output. They have an ability to excise an reintegrate, duplicate or diminish, and this explains the non-mendelian fashion of inheritance.

I have completed a MS (200 pages) containing the complete overturn of the main Darwinian hypotheses and GUToB, a set of testable hypotheses that explains what falsifies Darwinism.

Is there an interested publisher around?

I hope he sticks around, it could be fun.

Bob

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,02:54

Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 12 2008,22:24)

Grandma Tard has a post on teh harder mathematicalics. �

Brace yourselves.

I'm impressed that she was able to multiply $24.99 by 2 to get $49.98.

Now if only her writing was as good as her math...

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,06:26

Did DS just say Japanese people all look the same?

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Japan is nothing like that. I�ve been there. All you see is a sea of people who look alike and act alike. China? Been there too. Samo samo.

*Rubs eyes*

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-171598

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,06:30

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Not content with being a mere Isaac Newton of information theory, Bill Dembski photoshops himself onto the picture of the 1927 Solvay Congress alongside Einstein, Bohr, Planck and the like.

Now, now. �We don't know categorically that Dembski was involved in the creation of that parody.

We're the ones claiming that he was involved in its creation, so it's up to us to provide evidence of his involvement. �

Anyone here know any shitty math to help with this proof?

Let me first point a couple of clues that seem to tie Galapagos Finch to Dembski or Marks. �

* Finch is no layman. �As can be seen from �this page on TheBRITES.org, he is familiar with scientific typesetting. �The satirical article Socio-Chortelist Evolution of Humor: Emergent Jocularity from the Process of Natural Selection is produced in LaTeX: the file contains the digital string �

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LaTeX is a markup language used almost exclusively by people in academia, specifically by mathematicians, physicists, and computer scientists. �Dembski has a Ph.D. in math, Marks is a computer scientist.

* LaTeX documents come in a great variety of styles. �Gloppy's paper is apparently based on an IEEE template. �Here's a PDF sample. �Those of you who saw the preprints by Dembski and Marks on evolutionary computing will recognize the document style. �

* The digital string shown above, while not unique, is not that common. �There is a variety of ways to go from a device-independent output created by LaTeX (a .dvi file) to a PDF file, dvipdfm being one among maybe half a dozen (including Ghostscript, dvips, Quartz, pdfeTeX). �The preprints of Dembski and Marks also use dvipdfm.

It's all circumstantial evidence at this point. �Teh smoking gun, I has it, but it will have to wait until maybe tonight: I have a bunch of grown-up things to do. �Meanwhile, if someone has the old draft of the preprint by Dembski and Marks ev2.pdf please email me a copy. � My contact info is in the profile.

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,06:32

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I'm impressed that she was able to multiply $24.99 by 2 to get $49.98.

Now if only her writing was as good as her math...

She gave that example twice. I suspect she actually bought two things costing $24.99. �Hopefully she chose the example after doing the shopping, rather than choosing the numbers and then searching the shops all morning for things that cost that much.

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,06:37

The Banninator has been sighted.

Someone inform R. Bill.

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,06:45

Quote (Annyday @ Feb. 12 2008,23:23)

Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 12 2008,22:24)

Grandma Tard has a post on teh harder mathematicalics.

Brace yourselves.

Oh my god. It's as if Barbie aged fifty years, converted to fundangelical, and got a blog*. "Math is hard!" has evolved into "Math is hard, and this disproves evolution, which is also hard. Too hard for me to learn."

*ETA: I actually mean "six blogs".

There is a reason she is known as Granny Spice.

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,07:57

Hi all. I'm new here. I was referred to this thread by someone at richarddawkins.net. Here is the story of how I became BBDS. Enjoy!

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,08:16

Hi all. �I just earned the title BBDS. �Here's the story. �Enjoy!

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,09:03

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Hi all. �I just earned the title BBDS. �Here's the story. �Enjoy!

Welcome Aaron. Now that you are With the Banned, and if you haven't already, be sure to tour our Hall of Banoraria - which includes your newly minted bust. Read from page one to put your experience into context.

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,09:05

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Hi all. I'm new here. I was referred to this thread by someone at richarddawkins.net. Here is the story of how I became BBDS. Enjoy!

My post at Dawkins:
Congratulations and a WayToGo Aaron - outstanding and well-deserved thrashing of Bully Moderator of The Year (2006-2007) DaveScot Springer! I came here from ATBC, and appreciate the link and invite, it was fun to watch you demolish his bullying tactics with logic and facts.

Congratulations on your Banning, but now you have to change the title of your post, as you are enshrined on the Banning Hall Of Fame at AfterTheBarCloses too.

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,09:11

Aaron - that's like boasting that you've been sworn at by Michael Winner. It would be a greater wonder if it hadn't happened.

Bob
P.S. that should really be BBDT. Skim through this thread to see why. Or just watch for a bit. :-)

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,09:50

BBDA's

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,11:00

Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 13 2008,00:55)

Oh, just found this new tard

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peter borger

02/12/2008

10:36 am

Non Mendelian inheritance is often observed. It is caused by Variation inducing genetic elements VIGES, previously known as ERVs, LINEs, SINEs, ALUs, etc.

VIGES integrate into certain areas of non-coding parts of genetic instructions and modify protein expression patterns and other genetic output. They have an ability to excise an reintegrate, duplicate or diminish, and this explains the non-mendelian fashion of inheritance.

I have completed a MS (200 pages) containing the complete overturn of the main Darwinian hypotheses and GUToB, a set of testable hypotheses that explains what falsifies Darwinism.

Is there an interested publisher around?

I hope he sticks around, it could be fun.

Bob

Borger is an asthma researcher and hard core creationst.

I've encountered his idiocy on EvC and seen his claims get demolished at ISCID. He jsut keeps pumping out the same moronic bilge.

Interesting?

Not at all. Infuriating and annoying? Yes.

He claims, for example, that some loci mutate so nonrandomly as to appear random.

Major tardage.

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,11:42

Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 12 2008,20:24)

Grandma Tard has a post on teh harder mathematicalics. �

Brace yourselves.

This week's Denyse-o-gram, shorter version:

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Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

Last week's Denyse-o-gram, shorter version:

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Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

Next week's Denyse-o-gram, shorter version:

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Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,11:44

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 13 2008,11:42)

Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 12 2008,20:24)

Grandma Tard has a post on teh harder mathematicalics. �

Brace yourselves.

This week's Denyse-o-gram, shorter version:

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Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

Last week's Denyse-o-gram, shorter version:

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Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

Next week's Denyse-o-gram, shorter version:

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Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

PoTW?

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,11:48

Attenshun everyone! �GROUND YOUR IRONY METERS NOW!

DaveScot complains about D'OL being called Douchbag For Christ. But what about this comment of yours, Dave?

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Posted: Feb. 13 2008,11:50

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 12 2008,09:59)

Found the original.

Ok, it was taken in 1927, and the wikipedia page they took it from says it's in the public domain because it's over 70 years old.

ETA:

A. Piccard, E. Henriot, P. Ehrenfest, Ed. Herzen, Th. De Donder, E. Schr�dinger, J.E. Verschaffelt, W. Pauli, W. Heisenberg, R.H. Fowler, L. Brillouin,

P. Debye, M. Knudsen, W.L. Bragg, H.A. Kramers, P.A.M. Dirac, A.H. Compton, L. de Broglie, M. Born, N. Bohr,

I. Langmuir, M. Planck, Mme. Curie, H.A. Lorentz, A. Einstein, P. Langevin, Ch. E. Guye, C.T.R. Wilson, O.W. Richardson

Fifth conference participants, 1927. Institut International de Physique Solvay.

Rigorous use of the explanatory filter enables us to determine what would have happened if Dembski et al had jumped in a time machine and actually showed up at the Solvay Conference:

Introductory statements: "Get away from me, you loonies" in English, German, French, Danish and Polish. Session adjourned.

Lunch and restraining orders are served.

Everyone gets back to work.

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