Lou FCD
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I began reading through this thread again, and an interesting parallel came to mind regarding the argument over whether EE is just warmed-over creationism disguised (again) to look like science.
| Quote (Luke 22: 33-34 @ ca 30CE, late in the evening previous to the events at Gethsemane) | 33And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
34And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me. |
| Quote (stevestory @ July 15 2007,14:30) | | I'll wager a bottle of scotch that in the end, we'll trace over 100 items from Explore (Some Lies About) Evolution back to earlier creationist junk. |
| Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 15 2007,14:32) | | Given that two of the three quotations examined so far contribute to that tally, who do you expect to take that bet? |
| Quote (Paul Nelson @ July 15 2007,17:21) | Steve & Wes,
If you can spell out the terms of the bet, I'll take it.
Any brand of single malt, under $100 (a bottle). :) |
| Quote (Luke 22:54-57 @ ca 30CE, late in the evening following the events at Gethsemane) | 54Then took they him, and led him, and brought him into the high priest's house. And Peter followed afar off.
55And when they had kindled a fire in the midst of the hall, and were set down together, Peter sat down among them.
56But a certain maid beheld him as he sat by the fire, and earnestly looked upon him, and said, This man was also with him.
57And he denied him, saying, Woman, I know him not. |
| Quote (stevestory @ July 15 2007,19:03) | | Hmm...100 was a hasty number-- from the table of contents, http://exploreevolution.com/table_of_contents.php , the book only has about 143 pages of text. Expecting to find 100 creationist retreads in 143 pages might be a bit much. I do expect to find at least one every three or four pages, though, so I bet we'll find at least 40. |
| Quote (Paul Nelson @ July 17 2007,06:18) | Steve,
I'll take your wager at 40 items, but specify the terms. |
| Quote (Luke 22:58 @ , ca 30CE, late in the evening following the events at Gethsemane) | | 58And after a little while another saw him, and said, Thou art also of them. And Peter said, Man, I am not. |
| Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ July 18 2007,18:36) | Hey Paul, I've not read your, uh, wonderful new science textbook yet. But, given the extensive past history of creationism/ID, I feel pretty confident that I can make a testable prediction about its contents:
*ahem*
I predict that of all the various anti-evolution arguments that appear therein, (1) not a single one -- none, zip, zero, zilch, nada -- has ever appeared in any peer-reviewed science journal published anywhere in the world in the past 50 years, and (2) every single one of them -- absolutely all of them, without exception -- can be found in previously published creationist/ID religious tracts (and indeed, can be found ONLY in previously published creationist/ID religious tracts, and can be found **nowhere else**).
Am I correct in that hypothesis, Paul? Can you point to any peer-reviewed science journal articles wherein any of these, uh, "scientific criticisms of evolution" have appeared?
Tell you what, Paul, since you're such an eager betting man and all, I'll even offer you a wager. I'll give you one hundred dollars ($100) for every scientific argument against evolution presented in your magnum opus that has appeared in any peer-reviewed science journal anywhere in the world in the past 50 years, and you will give me one hundred dollars ($100) for every one that has appeared in some creationist/ID tracts published by ICR, AiG, or one of DI's minions.
Deal?
I've always wanted a yacht of my own . . . . . . |
| Quote (JAM @ July 20 2007,18:20) | | Can I get the same bet as Lenny proposed? |
| Quote (Paul Nelson @ July 23 2007,15:57) | | P.S. to Lenny and JAM: if you can specify terms, with a dollar cap of $1,000 and some practical way to set up an escrow account where both parties' money will be on deposit, your bet sounds very attractive. But let's see precise terms. |
| Quote (Luke 22:59-60 @ ca 30CE, late in the evening following the events at Gethsemane) | 59And about the space of one hour after another confidently affirmed, saying, Of a truth this fellow also was with him: for he is a Galilaean.
60And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew. |
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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend
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