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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2010,21:51   

Quote (Patrickarbuthnot @ Feb. 26 2010,22:38)
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J-Dog touched on something that is important, but not in the spotlight, regarding the IDC movement in public schools.

Textbooks publishers are in business like anyone else and they take their cues from a relatively small number of districts.  The high population states of Texas, California, and New York have a disproportionate (as regards total number of school districts) influence on what textbooks get used, and therefore which ones get published.

These states maybe need a little more attention paid to them.

I will repeat my convictions. To teach with textbooks does a disservice to the student.

Before I read any more of your educational pearls of wisdom, I want a straight answer to a simple question.

What is your teaching background?

Schools, grade levels, professional achievements, presented in a simple list.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2010,22:23   

Ah. So the first three are what I figured. What puzzled me was where they would put archaea, but I gather they get labeled as bacteria.

All of which reminds me yet again what I "learned" back in grade school. What I recall from that is that they lumped all living things into two kingdoms: plant and animal. (Protozoans were labeled as one celled animals, bacteria as one celled plants, fungi were described as plants that lacked chlorophyll, none of which makes sense given current knowledge. Heck, those things didn't make sense then, to people who knew the subject matter.)

Henry

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2010,22:38   

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5-kingdom system? I'd guess that 3 of them are the three types of multicellular species? But that leaves eukaryotes, prokaryotes and archaea, so I'm unsure what's being called a "kingdom" here. (Or are viruses stuffed in there someplace?)

Henry

The kingdoms are animals, plants, fungi, protista (single-celled organisms) and bacteria.

Don't forget Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia.

Oh, and Narnia.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2010,01:11   

I am so disgusted with bantam-weight  "experts" pontificating about education. So, you experts that think that public schools are crap. What is your "expertise" built on? Show, or fold punks.

My first teaching was in 7th grade science classes in Santa Anna, California. Lathrop Junior High, in fact.  I was one of the first bilingual science teachers in the state. We were a University of California project funded by the Ford Foundation).*  That was in 1971. One year later, and in 1973, I taught 9th grade classes in "Life Science" for the Fountain Valley school district, supervised by Prof. Pat Healey in the School of Biology at UC Irvine. I next taught at the university level, and then in medical colleges. My next teaching was again at universities. I didn't return to Kinder through High School, K-12, teaching until I was Curator of Anthropology and Director of Education for a natural history museum starting in 1992. There I developed curricula, for 2nd grade (in practice 7-9 year old students) to the High School Advanced Placement classes. I was the Mentor Science Teacher" for the Etinger Foundation Inter-Tribal Education Institute, and the University of California, Irvine Summer Science Institute for Educators.

Along the way I took classes in psychometrics, and while a professor of medicine in psychiatry, I team taught courses in psychometrics. I know IQ tests rather well. My Math Seminar at the Medical College of Georgia had more faculty attending than students.

I received a Certificate of Commendation of Excellence by the Board of Trustees of my college when I taught undergraduate archaeology and anthropology at Saddleback College, a community college BTW. I was also their "Instructor of the year" in 2000. Most of that was because I published with over two dozen undergraduates in original research. I had university faculty and students traveling to visit my "junior" college labs to practice with my "junior college" students.

And while I am piling-on, I was also invited to join the Editorial Board of the Southern California Academy of Science, and then their Board of Trustees. They were an affiliate (if minor) of the National Academy of Science.

I am still invited to give lectures at the university level on pseudoscience, including scum like racist Phillipe Rushton.

Edited to Add: OH, I was recently appointed to the National Science Education Standards Setting Commission. This was supposed to be a very high honor. Only 60 experts in the whole nation were judged competent. I walked out when the entire operation was obviously a set up to rubber-stamp "staff recommendations." Textbook publishers are also the "Standardized" test publishers. Schools and students will never be allowed to succeed because then they won't need new textbooks. This is a 10 billion a year scam.

* (Very freaky side story- the grant PI was an undergraduate! He thought he could double the money by ..... no really ....... Buying POT and selling it for BIG profit. No shit.  

Of course he was ripped off. I found out about all this when my nature camp trips were canceled due to "lack of funds." The "PI" had hit the road by then. I found enough scraps of money to hook-up a "Church Camp" to give us the program I had designed. I had an big advantage, I knew the camp had just been busted for prostitution, and they would need a good recommendation soon.

I might as well finish: The cost of my Science Nature Camps were inflated (I found out years later) to cover the $40,000 the nitwit lost to the dope dealers. So the Ford Foundation was thrilled with the improved science, and English Language Development scores from our program. They never learned (nor had I) that nearly half of the grant had been pissed off in a dope deal.

Edited by Dr.GH on Mar. 07 2010,23:26

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2010,06:44   

I don't have a K-12 teaching history to share. But I can point to the NSTA survey that showed that about 30% of public school science teachers either already teach creationism as science or would do so if they got the slightest nod from their administrators that it would be OK by them (administrators) if they (teachers) did. I think that's a problem.

My position was not to say that all public school instruction is "crap", but rather to note that we can't use the capabilities of our most able teachers to set policy for the rest. And there is a "the rest".

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2010,07:04   

As a teacher in an independent school but a public school graduate, I can say that I admire what public school teachers accomplish in the face of all the obstacles they encounter. Although I'd like to say that state standards and exit exams keep schools on track and provide measures for progress, but what they really do is restrict good teachers from doing what they know would be better. State standards (and they are clear and specific) don't prevent my local schools from teaching creation unopposed, that's clear.

My assessments are laboratory, writing intensive, process centered exams. I won't take credit for the idea, as groups like AAAS and NSTA say that this is a better way. However, designing and scoring such an assessment is way too expensive, so states do objective content-based assessments, forcing teachers to teach to the test. In addition, I teach in an adequate space, with a generous budget, and four classes of 16 or less. What public school allows for that??? I am not so foolish to think that my methods, derived from NSTA and AAAS, could be done in 24-30 student classrooms with little to no materials.

  
Richard Simons



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2010,08:54   

Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 07 2010,22:23)
Ah. So the first three are what I figured. What puzzled me was where they would put archaea, but I gather they get labeled as bacteria.

All of which reminds me yet again what I "learned" back in grade school. What I recall from that is that they lumped all living things into two kingdoms: plant and animal. (Protozoans were labeled as one celled animals, bacteria as one celled plants, fungi were described as plants that lacked chlorophyll, none of which makes sense given current knowledge. Heck, those things didn't make sense then, to people who knew the subject matter.)

Henry

Yes, the Archaea are frequently lumped in with the Bacteria.

I had a particularly good teacher when I was at high school in England in the early 60s, and I remember him agreeing with us that the then current classification did not make much sense. We fully expected changes to be made as more information became available.

When I was last teaching a course that included some taxonomy, I made up a diagram showing the current views on the relationships between the major groups. I then repeated the diagram for various models (the 2-kingdom, 3-kingdom, etc) but colour-coded it to show how they had been grouped.

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