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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,13:18   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 01 2009,10:03)
DaveTard plays dumb on the thread where Art's evisceration of Phillip Skell is pooh-poohed.
 
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So why do all you pro-evolution warriors gather on antievolution.org?

Gee, Dave. I dunno. Could it have something to do with this?

I think he was making a comment about the name of this site - I assume this name is the product of Wes' whimsy.

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Advocatus Diaboli



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,13:36   

GrannyTard gets a special mention in the new New Scientist:
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Authors with religious motives make shameless appeals to common sense, from the staid - "There is nothing we can be more certain of than the reality of our sense of self" (James Le Fanu in Why Us?) - to the silly - "Yer granny was an ape!" (creationist blogger Denyse O'Leary). If common sense were a reliable guide, we wouldn't need science in the first place.


Congratz, O'Leary! Your name is spreading in popular science.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,13:39   

antievolution.org

- Fit the subject matter

- Nicely showed that the antievolutionist claims to wish to "critically examine" fields stopped short of looking at their own arguments

- and was available for registration.

ETA: Actually, "ae.org" was also available, but I couldn't find a registrar that would actually let me register it. I think the two-letter ".org" domains had by that time been set aside for some special procedures, like auctions or something.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Mar. 01 2009,13:41

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,14:29   

Scooter writes:
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Every honest person with some knowledge of ID knows that ID doesn’t dispute common descent as the reason why all living things are deeply related.

I suppose the "Big Tent" is another Darwinist myth.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,14:47   

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gpuccio thinks that code duplication is a sign of design:
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I would like to comment that the duplication of a piece of software program, to the purpose that the programmer may work on it and transform it according to his plans, is a very common step in computer programming (and in many other forms of design), and allows the designer to reuse the parts which can be kept in the new item. So, I have always considered gene duplication as a very likely signature of design.

He has probably never written programming code.  According to Wikipedia, "code duplication is generally considered a mark of poor or lazy programming style."

It actually works against ID. In a program you would not duplicate a piece of code, you just modify the original code so it can be used by different parts of the system.

However, you might pinch a piece of code from an unrelated project to stop reinventing the wheel.

So ID would predict many exceptions to common descent ...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,14:59   

That stuff about the Irish makes my blood boil. It reminds me of my discussion about their "universal moral law". I was told that Christians aren't racist because Augustine may have been black.

I posted some links on the Baptist position on negro slavery prior to the civil war, but the last time I looked the post hadn't appear.

It never occurs to them to think that where were all the Christians during this period?

I try to repeat the mantra "These people are LOSERS, These people are LOSERS" and just laugh at them.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,15:21   

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However, you might pinch a piece of code from an unrelated project to stop reinventing the wheel.

So ID would predict many exceptions to common descent ...


This is what happens when humans engineer living things, which  I think is the most convincing argument against ID. Why do the only known designers routinely violate common descent, and why does the Designer stick to the constraints imposed by common descent.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,15:47   

Quote (keiths @ Mar. 01 2009,14:29)
Scooter writes:
   
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Every honest person with some knowledge of ID knows that ID doesn’t dispute common descent as the reason why all living things are deeply related.

I suppose the "Big Tent" is another Darwinist myth.

The thing is, though, that ID doesn't dispute special creation either.  ID is infinitely malleable and, thus, completely useless as a scientific framework.

Aside from the blatant dishonesty of the professional ID propagandists, the thing that bugs me the most about the ID crowd is their complete lack of curiousity and ambition.  They make absolutely no attempt to add to the body of scientific knowledge and, when challenged, they fall back on "ID is only about detecting design in biological systems."  Fair enough, I suppose, but even their program of design detection boils down to nothing more than "it looks designed to me, so it must be."  Indeed, I always have to laugh when they refer to FCSI over at UD.  They have never bothered to calculate plain old CSI, but they have felt the need add another adjective to the name.

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,15:53   

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 02 2009,09:59)
I try to repeat the mantra "These people are LOSERS, These people are LOSERS" and just laugh at them.

You don't have to repeat it to yourself; they will remind you themselves on a regular basis. For instance, look at O'Leary's latest post:  
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Johnson: refers to the owner of the news aggregating, formally conservative, anti jihad site and now anti-creationism pro Darwin website Little Green Footballs.

Link, emphasis mine.
'Formally', Denyse? I don't think so. And what do you do for a living again? Oh yes, you're a journalist and writer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,15:59   

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For instance, look at O'Leary's latest post:      
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Johnson: refers to the owner of the news aggregating, formally conservative, anti jihad site and now anti-creationism pro Darwin website Little Green Footballs.

Link, emphasis mine.
'Formally', Denyse? I don't think so. And what do you do for a living again? Oh yes, you're a journalist and writer.

I just looked at Denyse's latest. I'll say this about O'Leary: she doesn't let a little thing like consistency stand in her way.  Later on she writes:
 
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*reduction ad Hitlerum = Tell the world that your opponent in some discussion would have endorsed Hitler and the Holocaust. It is an excellent way to seriously complicate and throw confusion into a discussion about, say, which firm should get the contract for fixing potholes on paved highways, come spring, or whether a doofus dressed up as an erect penis should be lecturing about sex at a girls' high school. People used to say "He's the Devil's man!" Now they say "He's Hitler's man!" It amounts to the same thing, really. It is not, in itself, an argument.

WTF?  Isn't this the woman who spent a better part of last year blaming Hitler on Darwin?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,16:04   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 01 2009,15:21)
 
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However, you might pinch a piece of code from an unrelated project to stop reinventing the wheel.

So ID would predict many exceptions to common descent ...


This is what happens when humans engineer living things, which  I think is the most convincing argument against ID. Why do the only known designers routinely violate common descent, and why does the Designer stick to the constraints imposed by common descent.

Human designers do appear to produce features that could be mistaken for common descent.  People quite often copy things without questioning or understanding their function so design features can be replicated from old designs to new even after the feature has been made redundant.  Perhaps this is evidence that the designer in ID is actually successive generations of designer each copying earlier designs (including errors) - or maybe god has amnesia.

Interestingly human design also includes intentional junk - product engineers sometimes fill the spare memory of embedded controllers with junk to make back engineering harder.  If ID predicts that junk DNA is not really junk because a designer would not fill an organism with junk (Because human designers don't) then this 'prediction' is based on a flawed assumption about design that is empirically wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,16:28   

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Human designers do appear to produce features that could be mistaken for common descent.


Designers can do all sort of thngs. My comment is directed to to fact that humans frequently do transgenetic engineering, whereas the Designer does not. Hence, analogies to human engineering argue against ID as the source of pre-ge organisms.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,17:27   

Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Mar. 01 2009,20:59)
That stuff about the Irish makes my blood boil. It reminds me of my discussion about their "universal moral law". I was told that Christians aren't racist because Augustine may have been black.

I posted some links on the Baptist position on negro slavery prior to the civil war, but the last time I looked the post hadn't appear.

It never occurs to them to think that where were all the Christians during this period?

I try to repeat the mantra "These people are LOSERS, These people are LOSERS" and just laugh at them.

What enrages me about it is that they pretend it's all about The Truth. But what they're really saying is that even if they accepted evolution theory as true they'd rather teach some form of creationism because they think the message is nicer. They aren't interest in what's true at all.

The mantra I'm repeating is Unskilled and Unaware of it (*.pdf). These guys really make me hope that there's some form of special hell for them. One in which they get the knowledge of someone who actually studied biology and worked as a scientist and then they have to read UD for eternity. Without AtBC as a relief.* It's a shame that there's probably no afterlife...


* I know. I'm a mean and evil person.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,18:15   

gpuccio answeres questions. What was designed ("genomes") and how was it done:
 
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2) “How was it done?”

We don’t know exactly, but maybe we will know more in the future. But, certainly, in a general sense, it happened through the action of a designer (that is, a conscious intelligent being) who had access to manipulating biological realities, and especially genomes. You choose: aliens, a god, an intelligent force, or whatever else may comply with that definition. And how was it made? You choose: guided variation, intelligent selection, both, direct implementation at the nucleotide level, interaction with quantum level events… There is much to hypothesize and to research.


Thank you gpuccio, for finally enlighten us. The design was done through a designer who could manipulate genomes, possibly by interaction with quantum level events.
Why didn't you say so earlier, that would have prevented some confusion.



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,18:34   

Quote (Maya @ Mar. 01 2009,19:01)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 01 2009,10:03)
DaveTard plays dumb

Davey isn't playing.

UR RITE HOMOETTE! THIS AIN'T A GAME.

I'M FORMING A CRACK SKWAD OF EBER CULTURE NINJAS.

PLEASE NOTE I FILTERED OUT THE MILITANT MATERIALISTS AND I'M KEEPING THE ONES WHO CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BLACK HOLE AND A CHEEZY POOF, JUST LIKE ME.

HAHAHAHA I KILL ME SOMETIMES.

UD CREATIONIST CULTURE NINJAS HAVE NO CHANCE SKILZ

..OR RANDOM INTELLIGENCE SKILZ EITHER  ..eh BUT SINCE I'M THEIR BRAINZ ..ON BALANCE IT'S A WIN WIN FOR THEM AND ME...  er ok JUST ME

UD CREATIONIST CULTURE NINJAS R ABLE TO DANCE ON THE HEAD OF A PIN WHILE KEEPING THEIR EYES CLOSED WITH BOTH FINGERS IN THEIR EARS WHILE LOUDLY BABBLING, MADLY HOLDING THEIR ANAL SPINCTER IN A TIGHT PUCKER FOR MY NEXT BONER.

I CALL THEM MY NECESSITY CRACK SQUAD

SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT? pfffft BAN ME,ME, MEEEEEE

I LOVE IT SO.
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,18:56   

New Tardling promoted from the bench:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-306259

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LisaAShiel

03/01/2009

12:25 pm
If ID and evolution agree on common descent, then you’d think the two sides would get along better.

The sole part of evolutionary theories that has any solid evidence is adaptation. Living things can adapt to their changing environments, a fact we can see by observing nature. Common descent, however, relies on fossil and genetic evidence–both of which require vast leaps in logic and a heaping shovelful of assumption. Geneticists must use computer software to analyze their genetic data. The number of times they run the data changes the result. Thus, one set of data produces “thousands of equally good but different [phylogenetic] trees,” as geneticist Alan Templeton is quoted as explaining in the book African Exodus.

When the evidence itself can mutate, no concrete conclusions can emerge from it.

Lisa A. Shiel
author of The Evolution Conspiracy
http://EvolutionConspiracy.com/


Oooooh, she has blog!!!!!


http://evolutionconspiracy.com/about/

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I research and write about everything strange, from Bigfoot and UFOs to alternative science. My books include The Evolution Conspiracy, Backyard Bigfoot , Strange Michigan, and the novels The Hunt for Bigfoot & Lord of the Dead. Keep an eye out for my next nonfiction book—The Evolution Conspiracy—due out spring 2009. I run Backyard Phenomena Investigations, a Michigan-based paranormal research group.


I did dun a bolding to make the science pop out a bit more betterer.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,18:56   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 01 2009,18:03)
DaveTard plays dumb on the thread where Art's evisceration of Phillip Skell is pooh-poohed.
 
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So why do all you pro-evolution warriors gather on antievolution.org?

Gee, Dave. I dunno. Could it have something to do with this?

OH YEAH?

WELL JUST LOOK AT THE SITES I'VE BEEN BANNED FROM AND SEE WHERE I AM NOW, HOMO! dt


...hint to DaveTard...

...actually forget the hint Springer, you're just one dumb sad fucker.

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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,19:04   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2009,19:56)
New Tardling promoted from the bench:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-306259

   
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LisaAShiel

03/01/2009

12:25 pm
If ID and evolution agree on common descent, then you’d think the two sides would get along better.

The sole part of evolutionary theories that has any solid evidence is adaptation. Living things can adapt to their changing environments, a fact we can see by observing nature. Common descent, however, relies on fossil and genetic evidence–both of which require vast leaps in logic and a heaping shovelful of assumption. Geneticists must use computer software to analyze their genetic data. The number of times they run the data changes the result. Thus, one set of data produces “thousands of equally good but different [phylogenetic] trees,” as geneticist Alan Templeton is quoted as explaining in the book African Exodus.

When the evidence itself can mutate, no concrete conclusions can emerge from it.

Lisa A. Shiel
author of The Evolution Conspiracy
http://EvolutionConspiracy.com/


Oooooh, she has blog!!!!!


http://evolutionconspiracy.com/about/

   
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I research and write about everything strange, from Bigfoot and UFOs to alternative science. My books include The Evolution Conspiracy, Backyard Bigfoot , Strange Michigan, and the novels The Hunt for Bigfoot & Lord of the Dead. Keep an eye out for my next nonfiction book—The Evolution Conspiracy—due out spring 2009. I run Backyard Phenomena Investigations, a Michigan-based paranormal research group.


I did dun a bolding to make the science pop out a bit more betterer.

I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,19:07   

Quote (khan @ Mar. 01 2009,19:04)
I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

I give the TARD away free until you're hooked. Then I makes a monies.

Perhaps I should mention her blog picture has her wearing an Indiana Jones style hat?

Go on, clicky clicky, addict.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,19:22   

Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 01 2009,18:34)
Quote (Maya @ Mar. 01 2009,19:01)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 01 2009,10:03)
DaveTard plays dumb

Davey isn't playing.

UR RITE HOMOETTE! THIS AIN'T A GAME.

I'M FORMING A CRACK SKWAD OF EBER CULTURE NINJAS.

k.e.,

I love your stuff, but please don't use Davey's name and the word "crack" in the same post.  I sometimes read AtBC while eating.

  
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,19:23   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2009,20:07)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 01 2009,19:04)
I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

I give the TARD away free until you're hooked. Then I makes a monies.

Perhaps I should mention her blog picture has her wearing an Indiana Jones style hat?

Go on, clicky clicky, addict.

Curse you.

I clicked, I read, I felt the tard suck out my brains.

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That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,20:45   

The funniest thing I've read for a while Grannies Post
"I am in no way responsible for the obviously bad transcript. Despite all my - widely attested - other faults, I speak perfect English. I probably could not make a significant grammar error if I tried. I would correct myself in mid-sentence."

I laughed until I stopped.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,21:07   

 Denyse, no longer content with torturing logic, resorts to cooking it:

       
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*reduction ad Hitlerum = Tell the world that your opponent in some discussion would have endorsed Hitler and the Holocaust. It is an excellent way to seriously complicate and throw confusion into a discussion about, say, which firm should get the contract for fixing potholes on paved highways, come spring, or whether a doofus dressed up as an erect penis should be lecturing about sex at a girls' high school. People used to say "He's the Devil's man!" Now they say "He's Hitler's man!" It amounts to the same thing, really. It is not, in itself, an argument.


Is reduction ad Hitlerum made using wine from the Mosel?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,21:20   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2009,20:07)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 01 2009,19:04)
I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

I give the TARD away free until you're hooked. Then I makes a monies.

Perhaps I should mention her blog picture has her wearing an Indiana Jones style hat?

Go on, clicky clicky, addict.

The Pusher

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,21:28   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 01 2009,22:20)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2009,20:07)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 01 2009,19:04)
I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

I give the TARD away free until you're hooked. Then I makes a monies.

Perhaps I should mention her blog picture has her wearing an Indiana Jones style hat?

Go on, clicky clicky, addict.

The Pusher

Great.

Now I've got to deal with TARD and '60s flashbacks.

This is your brain on whatever...

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"It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall

That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,22:39   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2009,17:07)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 01 2009,19:04)
I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

I give the TARD away free until you're hooked. Then I makes a monies.

Perhaps I should mention her blog picture has her wearing an Indiana Jones style hat?

Go on, clicky clicky, addict.

You fiend!!!!!111eleven!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,22:44   

http://evolutionconspiracy.com/about/  
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I run BackJunkyard Phenomena Investigations, a Michigan-based paranormal research group.
Is anybody looking for a 747?
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,22:50   

I <3 Allen MacNeill
 
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ID supporters are arguing against a version of evolutionary that was almost fifty years out of date by the turn of the millennium, which they would know if they actually had any training in the science of evolutionary biology.

He's taking off the gloves, baby!

  
Maya



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,22:57   

And now the other glove is off:
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This is easily seen in the detailed structure of the vertebrate genome. It’s a lot like viewing the html code for a long post or template, and seeing where the writer copied, pasted, and modified the pasted copies, rather than write all new code from scratch. And, before you jump and say “that’s proof that it was coded by an ‘intelligent coder’”, consider that much of the duplicated code is pure, non-adaptive nonsense; not transcribed, not translated, and in many cases clearly composed of degenerate copies of genes that no longer have any detectable function. In other words, the “coder” could copy and paste, but had no way to delete code that wasn’t necessary, and made many mistakes besides.

Kind of like copying and pasting “cdesign proponentsists”…

Gloves off and brass knuckles on!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2009,23:12   

Okay, now your Tard is $5 a click:

http://twitter.com/LAShiel

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