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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,16:21   

Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 24 2015,11:32)
We're preparing for Barry Arrington to "win" another argument.



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Interesting argument. Barry is OK with government forcing businesses not to discriminate based on the client's religion. But not OK with government forcing businesses not to discriminate against clients based on the business owner's religion.

I wonder if Barry would refuse to prepare a will for a same sex couple if they are naming each other as sole beneficiaries? And I also wonder if he has the legal right to do so? Would the ABA defend Barry in his refusal to provide this service based on his religious convictions. I almost wish I was gay so that I could test this.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,16:50   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 24 2015,17:21)
Interesting argument. Barry is OK with government forcing businesses not to discriminate based on the client's religion. But not OK with government forcing businesses not to discriminate against clients based on the business owner's religion.

So a business owner whose religious belief is that races shouldn't mix...?

   
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,21:34   

Heh, Barry looks to be using the same headline writer that Denyse does:  
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A Modest Thought Experiement


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We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.”
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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2015,12:45   

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Some of us don’t see how we can get anywhere until we get rid of the superstition of Darwinism, that random changes can produce vast masses of complex information. Much believed, never demonstrated. See Data Basic

And if it were true, life forms would be coming into existence from lifeless matter all over. Never happens.

The only argument I ever heard against that was the lame excuse that current life forms would expunge new ones.

But wait, that means Darwinism probably didn’t happen in the past either.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....-nature

Yes, it's a true clash of intellects.

All of this time surrounded by information, and she still gets almost nothing right (ever hear of oxygen, moron?).  I'm grateful that people that stupid almost never wish to be on the side of science.  Maybe God does exist.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2015,13:11   

Quote (JonF @ Oct. 24 2015,07:24)
 
Quote (Lethean @ Oct. 23 2015,20:32)
P.S. - Hat tip to the author of the corrected "Hawkins Curve" for inspiration.

P.P.S. - Ya'll got anymore of them edit button thingies ?


You need some number of posts first.  I forget how many.


Ah, thank you. I recall reading an older thread where I got the idea it had to be approved because the frequency of some posters editing to retroactively change the context of their posts in an intellectually dishonest manner. It must have been an explanation of why it's set to be available after a certain number of posts and I missed or forgot that detail.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2015,14:51   

has UD gone anti-vaxx ever?

   
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2015,18:03   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 25 2015,15:51)
has UD gone anti-vaxx ever?

Any minute now.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,07:41   

Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 24 2015,11:32)
We're preparing for Barry Arrington to "win" another argument.



http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-584315

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Barry Arrington: I have explained my position twice. Go back and read those explanations again and after you have, come back and explain why your example in 35 is not germane. It is not that hard.

Barry asks a question. Zachriel answers ...

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Zachriel      October 26, 2015 at 6:38 am

Your comment is awaiting moderation.


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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,08:51   

Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 26 2015,07:41)
Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 24 2015,11:32)
We're preparing for Barry Arrington to "win" another argument.



http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-584315

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Barry Arrington: I have explained my position twice. Go back and read those explanations again and after you have, come back and explain why your example in 35 is not germane. It is not that hard.

Barry asks a question. Zachriel answers ...

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Zachriel      October 26, 2015 at 6:38 am

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

The A, B, Cs of debating Barry style:

A: Ask a question.
B: Ban or place the person in moderation.
C: Call the person a coward for refusing to respond.
D: Declare victory.

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,08:54   

Great post by Larry Moran.

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Larry Moran: I understand your position. You, personally, can’t see any rational and reasonable naturalistic explanation for the existence of the genetic code therefore you conclude that an intelligent designer exists who could make species and insert into them the necessary genes and proteins for interpreting the genetic code.

I say that you are basing your conclusion on attacking and rejecting evolutionary explanations rather than on presenting positive evidence that such an intelligent designer actually exists and is capable of doing what you claim.

The whole thing is worth a read.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,09:31   

Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 26 2015,07:41)
 
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Barry Arrington: I have explained my position twice. Go back and read those explanations again and after you have, come back and explain why your example in 35 is not germane. It is not that hard.

Barry asks a question. Zachriel answers ...
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Zachriel      October 26, 2015 at 6:38 am

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Moderation has been removed. Not sure what that was all about.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,12:58   

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NickMatzke_UD

October 26, 2015 at 10:00 am

Mapou writes:
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112
October 25, 2015 at 9:21 pm
VJT:
Re common design vs. common descent: I believe in both. They complement each other. However, common design alone cannot explain why we find switched-off genes coding for the production of egg yolks in human DNA. Only the hypothesis that humans are descended from an eggg-laying ancestor can explain that.
Why is that? Why could not a designer simply switch off an unneeded gene that is part of an existing (pre-designed) organism or genome? But then again, maybe early humans used to lay eggs. Maybe early humans were originally designed as egg-laying hermaphrodites. There is evidence in the book of Genesis and other ancient mythological stories for this.


Adam and Eve laid eggs! You heard it here first, folks!


linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,13:44   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2015,12:58)
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NickMatzke_UD

October 26, 2015 at 10:00 am

Mapou writes:
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112
October 25, 2015 at 9:21 pm
VJT:
Re common design vs. common descent: I believe in both. They complement each other. However, common design alone cannot explain why we find switched-off genes coding for the production of egg yolks in human DNA. Only the hypothesis that humans are descended from an eggg-laying ancestor can explain that.
Why is that? Why could not a designer simply switch off an unneeded gene that is part of an existing (pre-designed) organism or genome? But then again, maybe early humans used to lay eggs. Maybe early humans were originally designed as egg-laying hermaphrodites. There is evidence in the book of Genesis and other ancient mythological stories for this.


Adam and Eve laid eggs! You heard it here first, folks!


[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/double-debunking-glenn-williamson-on-human-chimp-dna-similarity-and-genes-unique-to-human-

beings/#comment-584776]linky[/URL]

Oh I see, instead of having egg-laying ancestors we might have had...egg-laying ancestors.  But we'll change it so it was humans, not all placentals as the evidence actually indicates.  Because, well, we're not willing to look at the evidence, just blather around it long enough to forget what the evidence shows.

And the plural of mouse in English just shows that "mice" was the plural in the past, too, and not evolution.  Ha, it's just stasis, from "mice" to yolk genes, and you think it indicates evolution.  Doesn't if you don't let it, anyhow.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,15:48   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 26 2015,11:44)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2015,12:58)
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NickMatzke_UD

October 26, 2015 at 10:00 am

Mapou writes:
 
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112
October 25, 2015 at 9:21 pm
VJT:
Re common design vs. common descent: I believe in both. They complement each other. However, common design alone cannot explain why we find switched-off genes coding for the production of egg yolks in human DNA. Only the hypothesis that humans are descended from an eggg-laying ancestor can explain that.
Why is that? Why could not a designer simply switch off an unneeded gene that is part of an existing (pre-designed) organism or genome? But then again, maybe early humans used to lay eggs. Maybe early humans were originally designed as egg-laying hermaphrodites. There is evidence in the book of Genesis and other ancient mythological stories for this.


Adam and Eve laid eggs! You heard it here first, folks!


[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/double-debunking-glenn-williamson-on-human-chimp-dna-similarity-and-genes-unique-to-human-


beings/#comment-584776]linky[/URL]

Oh I see, instead of having egg-laying ancestors we might have had...egg-laying ancestors.  But we'll change it so it was humans, not all placentals as the evidence actually indicates.  Because, well, we're not willing to look at the evidence, just blather around it long enough to forget what the evidence shows.

And the plural of mouse in English just shows that "mice" was the plural in the past, too, and not evolution.  Ha, it's just stasis, from "mice" to yolk genes, and you think it indicates evolution.  Doesn't if you don't let it, anyhow.

Glen Davidson

He's doubled down:
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You’re clueless, Matzke. You have no clue what the words Adam and Eve mean other than what you learned in Sunday school from some fundamentalist preacher. The Adam and Eve story in the garden of Eden is purely metaphorical.

Adam or rather, “the Adam”, as the original Hebrew has it, means mankind. Yahweh Elohim first created the Adam in their image and made them male and female (not men and women, as most people believe) and told them to go forth and multiply. My interpretation is that the first humans were hermaphrodites and could self reproduce. Then Yahweh decided that this was not a good idea because the Adam were lonely even after spending a long time classifying all the animals that existed at the time. So he changed them and separated them into two groups, men and women. It is not farfetched to suppose that, in the beginning, the Adam were designed to procreate via egg laying. After all, this is not unheard of among mammals. If you are Yahweh and you have great genetic engineering resources at your disposition, this is perfectly plausible.

I know Postrado is the front runner for the next Nobel Prize for Silly, but Mapou's putting in a strong challenge.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,19:12   

How about this gem by Mapou? LMFAO

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My interpretation is that the first humans were hermaphrodites and could self reproduce. Then Yahweh decided that this was not a good idea because the Adam were lonely even after spending a long time classifying all the animals that existed at the time. So he changed them and separated them into two groups, men and women. It is not farfetched to suppose that, in the beginning, the Adam were designed to procreate via egg laying. After all, this is not unheard of among mammals. If you are Yahweh and you have great genetic engineering resources at your disposition, this is perfectly plausible.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-584848

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,19:13   

Ouch, already posted by John

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,19:37   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 26 2015,19:13)
Ouch, already posted by John


Don't sweat it for a second.

Comedy Gold like that is worth reading twice.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,20:06   

But would a hermaphrodite species have any need of separate genders?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,20:43   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 27 2015,03:06)
But would a hermaphrodite species have any need of separate genders?

Of course, by Postardo's law of assymmetry... and because that's how Yahweh rolls, you know

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,20:46   

Isn't this Mapou guy the same one who claimed to have discovered some AI stuff based on the book of revelation, that he needed to destroy for fear that it would put an end to humanity?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,20:54   

Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 26 2015,15:48)
I know Postrado is the front runner for the next Nobel Prize for Silly, but Mapou's putting in a strong challenge.

Mapou is also putting in a strong bid for Dick Of The Year too.  He copied the Zachriel "outing" information from Joe G's website and reposted it at UD.  I won't link to it but even several of the regulars spoke up that it wasn't a good idea.  

Then to put toss his asshat into the ring for Hypocrite Of The Year he added this gem while posting under the pseudonym "Mapou":

 
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 "Outing? Anybody who hides behind a pseudonym in order to spread lies is a gutless swine and should be outed, among other things.


There's not enough facepalms in the world.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:27   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 26 2015,20:54)
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 26 2015,15:48)
I know Postrado is the front runner for the next Nobel Prize for Silly, but Mapou's putting in a strong challenge.

Mapou is also putting in a strong bid for Dick Of The Year too.  He copied the Zachriel "outing" information from Joe G's website and reposted it at UD.  I won't link to it but even several of the regulars spoke up that it wasn't a good idea.  

Then to put toss his asshat into the ring for Hypocrite Of The Year he added this gem while posting under the pseudonym "Mapou":

 
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 "Outing? Anybody who hides behind a pseudonym in order to spread lies is a gutless swine and should be outed, among other things.


There's not enough facepalms in the world.

Isn't this the same guy (Louis) who defends Kairos (don't call me Gordon Mullings) Focus when he complains about being outed, even after he has slandered someone?

Rhetorical question.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,22:07   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 27 2015,02:46)
Isn't this Mapou guy the same one who claimed to have discovered some AI stuff based on the book of revelation, that he needed to destroy for fear that it would put an end to humanity?

Yes.

We should celebrate his wisdom and absolutely not make fun of him.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,22:15   

I think Batsh^t77 might be falling off the wagon....


  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,22:16   

Quote (Lethean @ Oct. 26 2015,17:37)
Quote (dazz @ Oct. 26 2015,19:13)
Ouch, already posted by John


Don't sweat it for a second.

Comedy Gold like that is worth reading twice.

Indeed.  In fact this is so good I'll post it again:
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It is not farfetched to suppose that, in the beginning, the Adam were designed to procreate via egg laying.

Not farfetched.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,03:39   

Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 26 2015,22:16)
 
Quote (Lethean @ Oct. 26 2015,17:37)
   
Quote (dazz @ Oct. 26 2015,19:13)
Ouch, already posted by John


Don't sweat it for a second.

Comedy Gold like that is worth reading twice.

Indeed.  In fact this is so good I'll post it again:
 
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It is not farfetched to suppose that, in the beginning, the Adam were designed to procreate via egg laying.

Not farfetched.

Indeed. Will the next Michelangelo carve the Incubating Adam? What an awesome sight that would be.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,06:34   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2015,16:55)
where the fuck is dembski even at now?

Saying "Do you want fries with that?".

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,06:50   

Quote (tsig @ Oct. 27 2015,13:34)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2015,16:55)
where the fuck is dembski even at now?

Saying "Do you want fries with that?".

He won't last there. That job is too specifically complex for him

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,10:05   

Quote (Quack @ Oct. 27 2015,03:39)
Indeed. Will the next Michelangelo carve the Incubating Adam? What an awesome sight that would be.


Maybe Dali was onto something.



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,10:52   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 26 2015,19:13)
Ouch, already posted by John

It was worth repeating.

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Ouch, already posted by Lethean.

Edited by Zachriel on Oct. 27 2015,10:54

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