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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2016,14:31   

Such masterful defenses of your "theory".  How has it not overwhelmed the world of science?  How has it not even found a single solitary fan outside the voices in your head?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2016,15:02   

As has been asked repeatedly:
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You've got a whole lot of transparent and ineffective distraction going on, Gary.
As NoName said earlier,
   
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Stop deflecting, distracting, and denying.  Man up and deal with the facts on the ground:

A phenomenon is not properly called 'emergent' when it arises from a set of phenomena to which it is properly called 'self-similar'.  And vice versa.
Not all acts of 'intelligence' are motor acts, yet your "theory" insists otherwise.  This flies in the face of your assertion that your, or any competing, "theory" must "explain how ANY intelligence system works."
Deal with the fact that you smuggle 'intelligence' into your module with the undefined and uncharacterized 'guess' function.
Deal with the fact that 'guess' does not equal 'plan'.  Your "theory" is useless as a 'theory of intelligence' if it cannot deal with plans and planning.
Deal with the fact that many acts of intelligence involve imagination, and your "theory" does not deal with imagination at all.
Deal with the fact that some of the most crucial constraints on life are thermodynamic and that your "theory" simply ignores any and all thermodynamic issues.
Etc.

   
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What is the ‘something’ that must be controlled when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that none of these require muscle activity of any sort.

What are the senses that address what memory/memories when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that each of these has been performed by individuals who lack the 'obvious' sensory modalities one would expect for the product.
Sub-question — what does it mean for memory to be sensory-addressed?  The naive view that has the senses directly writing to memory or directly “indicating” what memory to use and what to store there has been debunked many many years ago.  So what are you talking about here?

What is the measure of confidence to gauge failure and success when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Sub-question — what senses address what memory/memories in the creation, storage, and retrieval of the ‘confidence’ factor?  Is it analog or digital?  What process(es) modify it, at what points, and what difference does it make?

What is the ‘ABILITY TO TAKE A GUESS’?  How is it manifested and how is it utilized when  an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?

What is a guess?  How does ‘guess’ relate to ‘plan’ and to ‘imagination?  Are there factors that feed into/influence the guess?  Is a guess random?  If not, what regularity does it exhibit?  Is it algorithmic?  What algorithm?  Or how is the specific algorithm used chosen?
What justifies embedding ‘guess’ into the “flow” that defines “intelligence” when the ability to guess is generally taken to be an act of intelligence?  How is it we only find guessing happening when we find ‘molecular intelligence’ in your sense, i.e., biology?
(You do realize that a random number generator in a computer program does not ‘guess’?)


And questions from me:
   
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Why is your rubbish not made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's rubbish?

   
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It is also unreasonable to expect out of place detail that would limit the theory to only one level of intelligence (brains) of a model that has to work for any behavior, intelligent or not.


Since you see intelligence darn near everywhere at all levels, in your opinion what behavior would qualify as not intelligent, and why?


  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2016,17:40   

From Gary
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Bornagain77, how does “intelligent cause” (of our species) work?


Good question, but you haven't answered that either, Gary.  You may think you have, but your terms are not defined, your writing cannot be followed, your model is not applicable, and your assertions aren't supported.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2016,19:46   

Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 19 2016,15:40)
From Gary
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Bornagain77, how does “intelligent cause” (of our species) work?


Good question, but you haven't answered that either, Gary.  You may think you have, but your terms are not defined, your writing cannot be followed, your model is not applicable, and your assertions aren't supported.

"Your mission is a failure, your methods too extreme..."

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2016,20:35   

VJTorley is making sense!

www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/pigeons-computers-and-picasso/#comment-600806

Now we're into the deepest mysteries of the brain. Including why we need to sleep (explained in paper).

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2016,21:56   

Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 19 2016,19:46)
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 19 2016,15:40)
From Gary
 
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Bornagain77, how does “intelligent cause” (of our species) work?


Good question, but you haven't answered that either, Gary.  You may think you have, but your terms are not defined, your writing cannot be followed, your model is not applicable, and your assertions aren't supported.

"Your mission is a failure, your methods too extreme..."

I have to hurry up and make test slides for a presentation to use during a video conferencing test this Wednesday. There is no time for answering to extremism, though on the previous page I made a couple of quick exceptions at UD and in this forum described it using a music video link with a few seemingly entirely sex related lyrics embedded in a wider message that foretells of things to be that relates more to knowledge that sends us back to school type events happening.

I'm now into the second video tutorial for Inkscape:  

Inkscape Video Tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....EXssTSE

I have the Wikipedia SVG formatted diagram of the Scientific Method and can now highlight its main features, make other great illustrations.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2016,22:14   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 19 2016,18:35)
VJTorley is making sense!

... aaaaand that's pretty much everything you need to know about Gary Gaulin.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2016,10:13   

It looks as though Gaulin has drowned in the cesspit of UD.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2016,14:48   

In case anyone missed the Burning Times documentary that's now heating up the "cesspit of UD" it's here:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-601001

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2016,16:04   

This GIGO really ought to win some sort of prize  
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I normally have no problem at all being taken seriously by scientists.

That is just pure prime-grade lunacy.  In all your journeying around the internet, no scientist anywhere has taken your model seriously.  You have pretty much run head-on into every possible problem imaginable with respect to being taken seriously.

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Science is already well grounded in something which is self-explanatory, they are called “models”. All models have their limitations but they can none the less be very useful for explaining how something works.
 That would be a fine sentiment, but it is nonetheless hollowed out significantly by your complete failure to apply those standards to your own stuff.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2016,17:17   

Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 26 2016,16:04)
This GIGO really ought to win some sort of prize    
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I normally have no problem at all being taken seriously by scientists.

That is just pure prime-grade lunacy.  In all your journeying around the internet, no scientist anywhere has taken your model seriously.  You have pretty much run head-on into every possible problem imaginable with respect to being taken seriously.

You make it seem like the only thing I do is post on this forum.

But FYI:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-601577

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2016,17:40   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 26 2016,18:17)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 26 2016,16:04)
This GIGO really ought to win some sort of prize      
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I normally have no problem at all being taken seriously by scientists.

That is just pure prime-grade lunacy.  In all your journeying around the internet, no scientist anywhere has taken your model seriously.  You have pretty much run head-on into every possible problem imaginable with respect to being taken seriously.

You make it seem like the only thing I do is post on this forum.

But FYI:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-601577

I've bolded the part you're trying to pretend isn't there.
How does anyone sane parse a paragraph that includes that sentence to mean "...only post here..."?
Oh, right.  You're not sane.

N.  Wells' charge stands supported by something much better than a model -- an actual evidential record.  One need only look around the web to see the truth of the charge.
No one, anywhere on line, ever, has taken your 'work' genuinely seriously.
And so it remains.  Your 'work' gets all the respect it deserves.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2016,20:17   

Make that "post on this and other forums."

My excuse for such an irresponsible lack of detail is that my keyboard ran out of marbles:
Wintergatan - Marble Machine (music instrument using 2000 marbles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....8joBb1Q

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2016,20:29   

So your counter was supposed to read, "You make it seem like all I do is post on this and other forums"????  Where the heck is the logic in that?

My complaint is that you spend huge amounts of time and effort elaborating on a truly horrible idea that you refuse to evaluate, defend, correct, or do anything useful with, and just simply pile one groundless assertion on top of another.

Edited to add: OK, cool machine, thank you.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2016,02:06   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 26 2016,21:17)
Make that "post on this and other forums."

My excuse for such an irresponsible lack of detail is that my keyboard ran out of marbles:
Wintergatan - Marble Machine (music instrument using 2000 marbles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....8joBb1Q

It's not the keyboard that's lots its marbles.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2016,12:07   

Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 26 2016,20:29)
My complaint is that you spend huge amounts of time and effort elaborating on a truly horrible idea that you refuse to evaluate, defend, correct, or do anything useful with, and just simply pile one groundless assertion on top of another.

Edited to add: OK, cool machine, thank you.

Marble music machine maker Martin Molin must get a lot of "spend huge amounts of time and effort" type criticism too. But an excellent "How It Works" like this is still priceless:

How It Works - Part 1 (Wintergatan Marble Machine)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog48viZUbM

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2016,12:27   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 27 2016,13:07)
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 26 2016,20:29)
My complaint is that you spend huge amounts of time and effort elaborating on a truly horrible idea that you refuse to evaluate, defend, correct, or do anything useful with, and just simply pile one groundless assertion on top of another.

Edited to add: OK, cool machine, thank you.

Marble music machine maker Martin Molin must get a lot of "spend huge amounts of time and effort" type criticism too. But an excellent "How It Works" like this is still priceless:

How It Works - Part 1 (Wintergatan Marble Machine)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog48viZUbM

Two significant differences here:
Martin Molin produced something interesting that has attracted a great deal of positive attention.  You haven't.
Martin Molin has put his marbles to use.  You've lost yours.  Or perhaps not so much 'lost' as 'flung violently away'.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2016,12:57   

You can't lose what you never had.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2016,13:35   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 27 2016,12:07)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 26 2016,20:29)
My complaint is that you spend huge amounts of time and effort elaborating on a truly horrible idea that you refuse to evaluate, defend, correct, or do anything useful with, and just simply pile one groundless assertion on top of another.

Edited to add: OK, cool machine, thank you.

Marble music machine maker Martin Molin must get a lot of "spend huge amounts of time and effort" type criticism too. But an excellent "How It Works" like this is still priceless:

How It Works - Part 1 (Wintergatan Marble Machine)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog48viZUbM

I second what NoName said.  Undoubtedly, Martin Molin must have an obsession in order to be able to produce that instrument.  ("Reprogramming" it to play another tune must be a nightmare.)  He at least has the compensating advantages that what he produces is interesting and worthwhile (at least aesthetically - I have no idea whether he is able to make a living from it).  It is unique, in a good way.  Unfortunately, you do not share in those advantages.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2016,18:20   

'Twas writ above:  
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My excuse for such an irresponsible lack of detail is that my keyboard ran out of marbles:


To which should be added, "HEY NEIDERMEYER . . . . "  :)  :)  :)

Egads whatta hoot!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2016,18:40   

HEY NEIDERMEYER!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....g0db_zY

A man like that should have never become a science teacher.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,15:37   

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A man like that should have never become a science teacher.


How would you know, Gaulin, you and science are total strangers.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2016,17:08   

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A man like that should have never become a science teacher.


How would you know, Gaulin, you and science are total strangers.

April  Fool's Day is a good day to say nothing. Unless of course it's to agree with ChemiCat.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,15:40   

My wife just left for the ER, in an ambulance, for her heart condition that is making her almost pass out. This is not good.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,16:01   

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My wife just left for the ER, in an ambulance, for her heart condition that is making her almost pass out. This is not good.

Then don't you have more important things to do than troll this site?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,16:31   

I hope she's better soon.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 05 2016,16:45   

Laurie is coming home tonight.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2016,02:55   

I wish Laurie a speedy recovery.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2016,20:50   

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I wish Laurie a speedy recovery.

Why thank you. Today her pulse rate was 44, which is not good but she's otherwise doing OK. It's normally low, though not usually this much. She has right along been getting good at home monitoring.

Part of the problem that had her in the hospital was from a reaction to a medication. Now it's another thing but at least she's more like herself again.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 09 2016,23:32   

Wishing her a speedy recovery.

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