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| Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 21 2008,10:42) | It's hard to believe, but BarryA has stepped into the same bucket of shit yet AGAIN:
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BarryA
09/20/2008
3:17 pm
Jerry...As to your second question, the answer is also “yes.” Both Harris and Klebold were self consciously acting out their Darwinian ideas. They believed (or at least said they believed) they had evolved to a higher plane of existence and owed no more duty to respect the lives of their fellow students than they might owe to livestock (which is to say “none”). |
I'll reprise an earlier response to a similar statement:
Barry: You are an attorney. Let's follow the implications of your argument.
Because Eric Harris was obsessed with and cited concepts drawn from evolutionary theory as justification for his actions at Columbine, it follows that belief in evolutionary theory ("Darwinism") contributed to his horrible, violent acts. |
Back during the Great Expelling, someone on Pharyngula thought they were being clever by bringing up Harris and Klebold (with a made-up quote demonstrating their "Darwinist" mindset, natch). So, I had this thought that maybe, just maybe, a little research might shed some light on the issue. After literally moments of painstaking examination of Google search results, I discovered some actual relevant sources:
Police report - Everything from school assignments to notebook doodling to fast food receipts to journals, et cetera
http://acolumbinesite.com/ - All sorts of stuff like actual scans of Harris' and Klebold's journals, transcribed version of same, archived web sites, pages about the victims, et cetera
In all of that (and I mean all: the police report alone is 946 pages) Harris was the only one who even used vaguely Darwinian language, and all it amounted to was 'I think some people deserve to die because I think they suck'. He probably understood evolution even less than the average creationist, or so I gather from this snippet of a book report on Crichton's The Lost World:
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In this book, I learned many different ideas for the theory of evolution, such as the theory that all life was created by an alien life form. I Also learned about a theory that all life is meant to become extinct sometime. Another theory I learned is that you can not study a habitat without having an effect on it.
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He did like the Nazis though (despite also claiming in one document to hate racists) so you can see why TARDs like to try and connect him to Darwin. Unfortunately, these journal excerpts are all he had to say about "Darwinism" (all grammar, spelling and punctuational offenses in the originals):
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YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE!!!?
---Natural SELECTION!!!!!!!!!! God damn its the best thing that ever happened to the Earth. Getting rid of all the stupid and weak organisms......but its all natural!! YES! I wish the government would just take off every warning label. So then all the dumbasses would either severely hurt themselves or DIE! And boom, no more dumbasses. heh.
It would be great if god removed all vaccines and warning labels from everything in the world and let natural selection take its course. All the fat ugly retarded crippled dumbass stupid fuckheads in the world would die, and oh fucking well if a few of the good guys die to.
Isn't America supposed to be the land of the free? How come, if I'm free, I can't deprive a stupid fucking dumbshit from his possessions if he leaves them sitting in the front seat of his fucking van out in plain sight and in the middle of fucking nowhere on a Frifuckingday night. NATURAL SELECTION. Fucker should be shot.
people that only know stupid facts that arent important should be shot, what fucking use are they. NATURAL SELECTION. KILL all retards, people w/ brain fuck ups, drug adics, people cant figure out to use a fucking lighter. GEEEAWD! people spend millions of dollars on saving the lives of retards, and why. I don't buy that shit like "oh hes my son though!" so the fuck what, he aint normal, kill him, put him out his misery. he is only a waste of time and money, then people say "But he is worth the time, he is human too" no he isnt, if he was then he would swalow a bullet cause he would realize what a fucking waste and burden he was.
Retards!!! They are a waste of time and money and effort and energy and space and lots of other stuff too! They need to DIE!!
but before I leave this worthless place, I will kill who ever I deam unfit for anything at all. especially life.
if humans were let to live how we would naturaly it would be chaos and anarchy and the human race wouldnt probably last that long, but hey guess what, thats how its supposed to be!!!!!
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All I really get from that is homicidal rage, misanthropy, and a fixation on Nazi eugenics/racial policies, which he wrote an essay about -- the police report contains about a dozen copies of the thing. Of course, in the essay he left out the bit about approving of Nazi Germany, but wasn't so shy in his journal:
| Quote | | and by the way, this nazi report is boosting my love of killing even more. like the early Nazi government, my brain is like a sponge, sucking up everything that sounds cool and leaving out all that is worthless, thats how Nazism was formed and thats how I will be too! |
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If you recall your history the Nazis came up with a "final solution" to the Jewish problem... kill them all. well incase you havent figured it out yet, I say, "K I L L M A N K I N D" no one should survive. |
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I love the nazis too... by the way, I fucking cant get enough of the swastika, the SS, and the iron cross. Hitler and his head boys fucked up a few times and it cost them the war, but I love their beliefs and who they were, what they did, and what they wanted. I know that form of gov couldn't have lasted long once the human equation was brought in, but damnit it sure looked good. |
You can also see he didn't even really understand the concept of natural selection, which apparently was the extent of his evolutionary vocabulary.
Honesty compels me to divulge that I didn't bother watching the home videos he and Klebold made, so maybe I missed out on some eloquent, well-supported oral arguments about how evolutionary theory really did underpin the whole wretched plan, but I doubt it. I prefer to take Harris at his word when it comes to assigning blame anyway:
| Quote | | I know I could get shot by a cop after only killing a single person, but hey guess the fuck WHAT! I chose to kill that one person so get over it! Its MY fault! not my parents, not my brothers, not my friends, not my favorite bands, not computer games, not the media. IT is MINE! go shut the fuck up! |
Edited for formatting and to add: Oh, yeah, and Klebold, the Nazi-loving Harris' partner-in-murder, was part Jewish and regularly attended a Lutheran church. Figure that one out.
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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio
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