avocationist
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Mike,
| Quote | | Fair enough... for philisophical musings. But I think your idea to identify the SLoT (or in this case entropy) as some "disorganizing force" confuses the discussion tremendously. When you invoke the SLoT argument you can't ignore the other laws around it. |
I simply can't keep from musing philosophically. It ties everything together for me. Perhaps you should explain about those other laws around it, in what way am I ignoring them. I do think of entropy as a disorganizing force, basically things break down into their simpler and simpler components. Is that wrong?
When does entropy give you your money back? When is it ever reversible? Sure it is a cost of doing business. I'm not knocking entropy. Ya gotta have the creator, the maintainer, and the destroyer (Hinduism).
| Quote | | Would you agree that the SLoT usage is confusing? Or do you have some more detail to this? |
Um, no, I don't see why.
| Quote | Are you defending non-factual belief systems that cannot withstand factual scrutiny? Is this a bad thing? Please elaborate.
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Sorry, I meant that the destruction of belief systems is a good thing. If you notice when people give up a belief system, it is usually because they were willing to scrutinize it in a new and deeper way. Of course, most often they jump into a new one, and pull up the covers. So brief is the flight toward truth...
| Quote | | Quote please. Permalink. I can't find it. This is one more reason to open/discuss in a seperate thread. |
Oh, it was on the Hovind thread. I watched the documentary that Phonon linked. It was a bit paranoid. Anyway, I am leery of vaccination, think they are overdoing it, that some are more useful than others, and that they shouldn't be forced. It isn't a simple topic and that was my point.
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I see lots of "They" and "establishment" talk. Could this be a case of a single person (your cardiologist) being mistaken? And your committing a falacy here by relating (his?) actions to some over-arching "establishment They" |
Of course it was not my cardiologist alone! This is mainstream stuff, several decades of error (but the truth was available in a wee small voice) supported by all sorts of establishment (and often financially biased) research, and that is just what he said to me.
| Quote | | However my point is that with this type of statement without at least one reference the impression I get is someone (you) making conclusions (margarine bad) without enough factual information (WHAT makes margarine bad). |
Why oh why do you get that impression? I was taught 12 years ago in nursing school that margarine might be carcinogenic and promote heart disease. Now what do you think of all this recent hoopla about "Recommended daily amount of hydrogenated fats is zero?" This is a huge admission of error. It means that finally, at long last, the truth couldn't be denied anymore, that margarine and other hydrogenated and trans fats are killing people.
| Quote | | And what have you replaced margarine with at the "health" food store? |
I didn't replace it because I never used it. I eat butter, but now I also use coconut oil. | Quote | | Are you talking theistic, natural world, measureable phenomenae? |
Mostly, I'm talking about the nature of reality. I'm quite intrigued by other theories than the Big Bang for instance. I doubt the BB will hold up this century, but we'll see. No ax to grind here, but we'll see. It is so easy for people to think they've got it right, and then from false foundations they build high rises. Errors get compounded.
That was my inner zen buddhist speaking. I just think that people are in a daze, convinced that everything is quite solid around them, when really they haven't a clue. I think of my situation, anyone's situation, as being like a lone speck in an endless, seamless, black nothingness. No landmark, no direction, no compass.
| Quote | | I agree. But which system is right? Or can we use factual based analysis to find some things out about the belief systems? Or will this ruin the systems? |
Neither system is right. Factual analysis and logical scrutiny, can help dissolve them. I see this stuff because of my inner work from Buddhist-enlightenment ideas. When I read about this and went to work on it, on my own deconstruction, I see it more and more. And what I like about Buddhism, is that they promote dismantling and jettisoning more than endless addition. So on the path toward wisdom, this is crucial - to let go of nonsense and stop adding to it.
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