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Malum Regnat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,16:36   

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Cory, your science training has limited your vision.  You say you reject anything that you cannot prove scientifically, yet you uncritically accept the proposition that matter organized itself into biological structures in defiance of the very scientific laws that you applaud.


And exactly what 'scientific' laws are you referring to Dave?

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ericmurphy



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,16:41   

Quote (incorygible @ Jan. 03 2007,13:02)
(I'm not worried about the other plebes on this board -- Eric doesn't have the educational background to understand these basic genetic concepts that you've mastered in such a short time, and the rest won't even notice what I say -- they'll just nod their heads at another presumably propaganda-filled post from a fellow evolutionist.)

I guarantee I'll never hear the end of this. Dave hasn't mastered the concepts of analogy or metaphor yet; I doubt he has much of a handle on irony or sarcasm, either.

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Malum Regnat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,16:46   

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You accept written eyewitness testimony for many things in your life.

You just don't regarding the Origin of Species.


I'm sure he does accept eye witness accounts for the origin of new species, there have been about 200 references to such accounts listed on the other Dave's thread.

Isn't it interesting how much more interested AFDave has become in saving our souls since Dave #2 started posting.

Dave, can you say hypocrite?

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ericmurphy



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,16:56   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 03 2007,14:34)
You said that domestic dog breeds demonstrate that divergence of characters occurs on the reduced time-scale that you require. However, you do not account for mammalian divergence of dental formulae with this example. Mammals have all sorts of different dental formulas, many of which would have to arise since Noah's flood, within your reduced evolutionary time-scale. So on the one hand we have the observation that many changes in mammalian dental formulae have happened, and on the other we have your example of domestic dogs, which shows no change in dental formula whatsoever. Your example does not support the notion that observed mammalian diversity in dental formula can be compressed into the evolutionary time-scale of divergence since a Noachic flood.

Get it now?

One of the many, many, many questions Dave has never answered (maybe it's because he doesn't actually read my posts) is, assuming a few thousand "kinds" have since the flood diversified into an average of a thousand species each, why is it that humans have not diversified at all? There is still, and has been for the entire 4,500 years since the "flood," only one species of Homo, to wit, H. sapiens.

What is unique about the human genome that prevents it from speciating at all? Were there any other "kinds" on the ark that have not speciated since the "flood"?

I doubt Dave will even attempt to answer this, since doing so would require that he admit to actually reading one of my posts.

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incorygible



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,17:30   

Quote (ericmurphy @ Jan. 03 2007,16:56)
One of the many, many, many questions Dave has never answered (maybe it's because he doesn't actually read my posts) is, assuming a few thousand "kinds" have since the flood diversified into an average of a thousand species each, why is it that humans have not diversified at all? There is still, and has been for the entire 4,500 years since the "flood," only one species of Homo, to wit, H. sapiens.

What is unique about the human genome that prevents it from speciating at all? Were there any other "kinds" on the ark that have not speciated since the "flood"?

I doubt Dave will even attempt to answer this, since doing so would require that he admit to actually reading one of my posts.

But Eric, we don't know that. Based on Dave's logic, this is just yet another reason to suspect those chimps and gorillas are in our "kind". Only Dave's (and apparently Faid's) "intuition" tells us they aren't. The Bible isn't specific: it doesn't mention apes, but it does warn us of the wages of sin, and we've been fallen for a while. Taxonomy (same family, after all), genetic distance, molecular phylogenies, GULO (remember that?!;), shared polymorphisms, etc. -- and now the demand for some degree of speciation like all other "kinds" on the planet -- all suggest that they are. And we know what kind of "dramatic differences" in phenotype a simple reassortment of Ark genes can produce. If Dave were consistent in his CGH (stop laughing and hear me out!;), he would admit (or at least address the possibility -- after all, we can never clearly delineate the created kinds) the other apes may well be within the human "kind" and wonder exactly what Noah's "genetic richness" would have looked like. But Dave just doesn't like them damned dirty apes.

  
ericmurphy



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,17:38   

Quote (incorygible @ Jan. 03 2007,15:30)
But Eric, we don't know that. Based on Dave's logic, this is just yet another reason to suspect those chimps and gorillas are in our "kind". Only Dave's (and apparently Faid's) "intuition" tells us they aren't. The Bible isn't specific: it doesn't mention apes, but it does warn us of the wages of sin, and we've been fallen for a while. Taxonomy (same family, after all), genetic distance, molecular phylogenies, GULO (remember that?!), shared polymorphisms, etc. -- and now the demand for some degree of speciation like all other "kinds" on the planet -- all suggest that they are. And we know what kind of "dramatic differences" in phenotype a simple reassortment of Ark genes can produce. If Dave were consistent in his CGH (stop laughing and hear me out!), he would admit (or at least address the possibility -- after all, we can never clearly delineate the created kinds) the other apes may well be within the human "kind" and wonder exactly what Noah's "genetic richness" would have looked like. But Dave just doesn't like them damned dirty apes.

Interesting hypothesis. Apes are actually descended from humans!

What do you think, Dave? Can you tell one way or another? Maybe chimps, gorillas, and orangutans are just really bad humans who have fallen much further, much faster, than the rest of us.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,17:59   

Nah, the naked apes what fight the wars and produce the serial killers and psychopaths and door-belling god-babblers are clearly the fallen tribe of the hominid "kind."  And this is true regardless of any evilutionary-conspiracy mind-worm maundering.  Listen, my children, and you shall see:

I mean, first of all, just use you intuition: don't many people grow bald as they age and their bodies physically degenerate?  And this head-baldness happens in only one lifetime!

Well, then, just use your common sense: why should the worst, most sinful members of our "kind" not also expect, over many generations, that their body-fur should also "fall out" (so to speak) as a result of their moral Fall?

It's a sign, I tell ya, of Dog'sbane!  Or God's Wrath (or something like that...).

Clearly the chimps, gorillas (there were giants in those days...), and orangs are the original model of the garden-dwelling hominid body plan.  And, check this factoid, O Unbelievers, that's where they still dwell today, plucking the fruit off the vine and the termite from the tunnel.

And would continue to dwell, peacefully (more or less, unless you believe that science-y Goodall person), were it not for our sinful incursions upon their habitat.

And check this other factoid: our unfallen brethren don't even get AIDS.  (Oh, sure, those "scientists" prate about "SIV," but we know that's hokum, and hardly causes them a sniffle, anyways...)  As we all ought to know by now, getting AIDS is the surest sign of the most-fallen among us.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,18:02   

Quote (Malum Regnat @ Jan. 03 2007,16:46)
Isn't it interesting how much more interested AFDave has become in saving our souls since Dave #2 started posting.

Reminds me of the old joke about going fishing with Baptists.   If you go fishing with one Baptist, he will drink all of your beer.  If you go fishing with two Baptists, they won't drink any of your beer.

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Steviepinhead



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,18:06   

I guess it all boils down to this, dave:

Not only were Adam and Eve holier than thou, they were hairier than thou, too!

It's just commonsense.  Use your intuition.

(And you realize what follows, don't you, dave?  Yep, the Big Guy himself: major case of back-hair.  And hobbit-feet...)

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,18:51   

I can't find that list of pseudoscience points. You know, how many points your get for comparing yourself to Galileo, etc. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,18:58   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 03 2007,16:51)
I can't find that list of pseudoscience points. You know, how many points your get for comparing yourself to Galileo, etc. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

I thought it was called the Crank Index and was found on www.crank.net, but now I'm not finding it.

EDIT: It's the crackpot index, and can be found here:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

EDIT EDIT: A stiff middle finger to you, Lou, and a wagging tongue towards the girls!  :angry:

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,19:04   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 03 2007,18:51)
I can't find that list of pseudoscience points. You know, how many points your get for comparing yourself to Galileo, etc. Anybody know what I'm talking about?

Crackpot index

EDIT:  Argy,

Jerk.

:D

EDIT EDIT - Argy, ttthhhhhhbbbbbbbbbbbb!

Steve, I wouldn't have said a thing, honest!

okimlying.  zippin' my trap and watchin' from here out.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,19:22   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 03 2007,15:57)
Let me apologize up front for using up a precious post, now that we are down into double digits.  But, this just tickled me when I read it.

Y'all may recall that Dave was firmly against Representative-elect Keith Ellison swearing the oath of office for the US House on a copy of the Koran.  Well, this little tidbit from today's Washington Post says that Ellison will be taking the oath on Thomas Jefferson's personal copy of the Koran.

SWEET.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,19:30   

talk.origins Home Game (at AE)

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Mike PSS



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,19:40   

Go away to the U.P. for the New Year and everything changes.  Gotta get this post in quick before the end times comes.

Does Stevestory have an e-mail version of kool-aid for all the thread participants?  I can't think of anything better occurring after this ends.  My numerological analysis shows the number 5000 very prophetic for some reason.  Something to do with "reasoning will return" and "knowledge will flow like hot cocoa".  If that's the case then I know I can't face it so soon.  I've purchase my purple coveralls and have my white sneakers already.

I'd like to thank everyone for their continued dilligence of facts.

And Eric also gets my vote for persistance in opposition.

AFDave,
I thank you for teaching me new ways to obfuscate, confuse, and confound a debate opponent.  Your lessons in semantics and verbal manipulation deserve some type of mention.  Too bad the big sky mommy chose for you to reveal these skills in such an unproductive endeavor.

Mike PSS

p.s.  Dave, since I believe in radiometric dating techniques does that make me an idiot or a liar?  You said that once, do you want me to find the quote OR DO YOU TRUST THAT YOU SAID THIS!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,19:41   

69 posts to go.

(Lou--Stifle It)

   
argystokes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,19:45   

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p.s.  Dave, since I believe in radiometric dating techniques does that make me an idiot or a liar?  You said that once, do you want me to find the quote OR DO YOU TRUST THAT YOU SAID THIS!

Oh, come on, Mike, Dave can't even remember what he said on the previous day. Do you really think he can remember what he said weeks or even months ago? I think the fast times and jets may have smoked his brains, and the fast women junked his balls (maybe a bit of neurosyphilis as well?).

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,20:05   

Well well well surprise surprise Flying Blind Dave finally comes clean; he doesn't actually read what he doesn't like. (BTW AFD that was clear to most I think)

Great effort genius.

Let that be a lesson to all his 'friends'..... AFD thinks the sun shines the brightest out of his own ass. It's a pity the members of your congregation AFD don't read this, they may look more critically at your denials of perfidy on the part of your co-conspirators explanation of 'missing' church money.

Keep in mind AFD, that stinking its all about AFD's ego statement is going to follow you around for a long, long, long time, please...... please carry this over to Dawkins' site.

As soon as they find out that you are there just to preach like one of those annoying pastors outside a casino the security will be moving you further down the street.

Ignorant Scum.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,21:06   

Re "I can't find that list of pseudoscience points. [...]"

This? The Crackpot Index

Henry

  
Mike PSS



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,21:10   

Quote (afdave @ Jan. 03 2007,10:43)
INCORYGIBLE'S REQUEST FOR AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD FOR CLASSIFYING ORGANISMS
Yes.  I quoted Woodmorappe's opinion that the created kind probably was roughly equivalent to the family (at least in the case of mammals and birds).  And you would have a very good point in asking how can we separate humans from the great apes if sequence difference is our objective guide .. EXCEPT ... for the fact that you are overlooking one key item.  

You are disregarding two pieces of Biblical information ...

"Genesis 1: 26 ¶ Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

... and ...

"Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."

Now of course, you do not take these statements as authoritative, which is fine for now ... you will in time either in this life or the next, but nevertheless, even with your present dim view of the Genesis record, these passages stand as possible clues to the profound mystery of the differences we see between apes and humans.

As we wrap up I noticed another item that needs clearing up from Dave.

W-a-a-a-a-y back we were questioning Dave on which verses of the Bible (the KJV specifically) were "God Inspired" and which were "mixed-up in interpretation".

We see now that Dave has listed;
 Genesis 1:26
             1:27
             1:28
             2:7
as the infallable word of the big one.

Maybe Dave can continue with a verse listing before we close at 5000.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,21:56   

Quote (Mike PSS @ Jan. 03 2007,19:40)
Go away to the U.P. for the New Year and everything changes.  Gotta get this post in quick before the end times comes.

Does Stevestory have an e-mail version of kool-aid for all the thread participants?  I can't think of anything better occurring after this ends.  My numerological analysis shows the number 5000 very prophetic for some reason.  Something to do with "reasoning will return" and "knowledge will flow like hot cocoa".  If that's the case then I know I can't face it so soon.  I've purchase my purple coveralls and have my white sneakers already.

I'd like to thank everyone for their continued dilligence of facts.

And Eric also gets my vote for persistance in opposition.

AFDave,
I thank you for teaching me new ways to obfuscate, confuse, and confound a debate opponent.  Your lessons in semantics and verbal manipulation deserve some type of mention.  Too bad the big sky mommy chose for you to reveal these skills in such an unproductive endeavor.

Mike PSS

p.s.  Dave, since I believe in radiometric dating techniques does that make me an idiot or a liar?  You said that once, do you want me to find the quote OR DO YOU TRUST THAT YOU SAID THIS!

Hey Mike, did ya see any Turdy Point Bucks whilst you was up dere?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,22:03   

Quote (Mike PSS @ Jan. 03 2007,20:40)
Go away to the U.P. for the New Year and everything changes.  Gotta get this post in quick before the end times comes.

Oh man, Mike, the UP is one of my favorite places on earth.  January?  Hope you bring your tire chains!  I'm jealous.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,22:25   

Quote (afdave @ Jan. 03 2007,10:43)
INCORYGIBLE'S REQUEST FOR AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD FOR CLASSIFYING ORGANISMS
Yes.  I quoted Woodmorappe's opinion that the created kind probably was roughly equivalent to the family (at least in the case of mammals and birds) and at least considering that you might melt if you understood the biomass that excludes .  And you would have a very good point in asking how can we separate humans from the great apes if sequence difference is our objective guide .. EXCEPT ... for the fact that you are overlooking one key item. you keep using that word. I think I will start calling you Vizzini. :p  :p  :p

You are disregarding two pieces of Biblical {information} -information in the sense that Shannon uses it?] ...

"Genesis 1: 26 ¶ Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our [our as in the trinity?] image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." So that makes gol like the big king and us like the little kings? Like feudalism?
27 So God created man in His own image; to keep the races pure? in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." Like Atilla or GW?
...


14. 10 points for each new term you invent and use without properly defining it.
hmm. that's got to be a lot right there.

25. 20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.) the AFDave updated what was it again?

26. 20 points for talking about how great your theory is, but never actually explaining it. wow. is that each time?

28.  20 points for each use of the phrase "self-appointed defender of the orthodoxy".

29. 30 points for suggesting that a famous figure secretly disbelieved in a theory which he or she publicly supported. (E.g., that Feynman was a closet opponent of special relativity, as deduced by reading between the lines in his freshman physics textbooks.)

30. 30 points for suggesting that Einstein, in his later years, was groping his way towards the ideas you now advocate.

31. 30 points for claiming that your theories were developed by an extraterrestrial civilization (without good evidence).
dear Mother Earth (may we bask in your grace as revealed to us through our senses)

33.  40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.

34. 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.

wow. what's he up to? I can't count that high. My tardometer has turned over too may times. I lost count.

36.  40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.)

37. 50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.


I can't comment any more. i'm using all my fingers and toles to try to figure out how many hundreds of thousands of points Vizzini here earned on that scale. He could have potentially given Dembski a run for his money on those ones.

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Mike PSS



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,22:33   

Rich Uncle with a house on the Menomonie River.  He's got a camp inland too with all the UP toys.  Nothing but silence sometimes.  I try and get there once a year.

Tire chains needed this time.  Snow, then rain, then freeze left some tricky spots off the main roads.

Turned into a beer and wine fest for a few days.  Didn't have internet but for some reason didn't miss/remember it existed.  Must have been the 5th (or 8th) Stella.  At least we had DirecTV to watch the bowls.  I applaud Boise State; what a game.

I saw a few venison-on-the-hoof (along with a few other cuts) but no biggies.  More drinking than driving on this visit.

By the Way,
Happy New Year to All.
Even to you Dave.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,22:46   

Quote (Mike PSS @ Jan. 03 2007,23:33)
Rich Uncle with a house on the Menomonie River.  He's got a camp inland too with all the UP toys.  Nothing but silence sometimes.  I try and get there once a year.

Tire chains needed this time.  Snow, then rain, then freeze left some tricky spots off the main roads.

Turned into a beer and wine fest for a few days.  Didn't have internet but for some reason didn't miss/remember it existed.  Must have been the 5th (or 8th) Stella.  At least we had DirecTV to watch the bowls.  I applaud Boise State; what a game.

I saw a few venison-on-the-hoof (along with a few other cuts) but no biggies.  More drinking than driving on this visit.

By the Way,
Happy New Year to All.
Even to you Dave.

Oooo, Stella. And here I am, stuck with a few Molson XXX's. I've got a few days off so ordinarily it would be Vodka Time, but there are a few South Parks downloading, and when they get here in an hour, I'd rather be pleasantly buzzed than passed out on the floor with the cat jumping on me.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2007,23:35   

Guess I'll delurk since it's so close to the final countdown.

I've been reading these threads since Dave's very first appearance and just want to say thanks to all who contributed. I've never really been moved to put in my two cents, especially since everyone else has had such an easy time shredding Dave's arguments, but I've been following creationist antics since the early Morris and Gish days.

And Dave, even though it's obvious that you've murdered your conscience to make room for your bloated pride, and nothing will ever get through to you, here's something to get all swollen up with pride about. You're in the Bible!

1 Timothy 6:3-5
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

We're withdrawing ourselves from you and your perverse disputings, Dave. I hope you find some true humility someday.

See ya'll on other threads!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2007,00:02   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 03 2007,23:46)
Oooo, Stella. And here I am, stuck with a few Molson XXX's. I've got a few days off so ordinarily it would be Vodka Time, but there are a few South Parks downloading, and when they get here in an hour, I'd rather be pleasantly buzzed than passed out on the floor with the cat jumping on me.

Nothing wrong with Canadian brew but I spend a little more because I can only drink beer brewed in the Reinheitsgebot tradition.  Put rice, or wheat, or honey junk into my beer and a wicked headache comes forth.  I've drunk for hours at the gasthouse and woke up feeling "stretched" but still functional.  Give me two Buds (or other such U.S. concoction) and I'm a basket case until the next afternoon.

Plus, it tastes danm good.

I grew up on Canadian brew in the 80's when I lived in Vancouver.  Friday nights had 50cent beer and you could fill a table of draft Carling O'Keefe (or Moosehead) for $20.  I don't have the liver left for adventures like that any more.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2007,02:05   

Hi,

I just want to get in a last thanks before this thread closes. To all of those who contributed, I stand in humble awe at your depth of knowledge. I have learnt much here, and will miss learning more from you all.  

After 5000 posts here, plus the entire original thread, it seems that Afdave still has not learnt anything, except perhaps the shallowness of his knowledge. I wish I could see you in a more favourable light Afdave, but after all this time, I cannot see you as anything more than a man who cannot face up to the fact that he has been wrong, time and time and time again. Every time you are presented with a complete rebuttal to one of your points, you scuttle away, then come back a few days later, claiming victory. I would feel sorry for you, but in a few days, I know you will be thinking "I sure showed those nasty evilutionists a thing or two, so much that they had to close down the thread twice!"

Anyway, thanks again to all of you who have provided such enjoyment and knowledge.

David

PS I can't help feeling that all Dave's have been given a bad name, by Afdave and DaveScot...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2007,03:09   

David and goliath? What about letterman? Ha ha! Am am still up working 1:10 am pacific. Big doins this year I guess.

55?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2007,07:17   

You seem to have not answered my questions, Davey (surprise, surprise). so I'll ask again.  And again.  And again and again and again and again, as many times as I need to, until you either answer or run away.

*ahem*

Davey, do you think supernatural witches and witchcraft exist?

Do you think women should be allowed to speak in church?

Do you think there are people who are possessed by demons?

Think carefully before you answer.

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