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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2015,19:04   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 25 2015,17:34)
Gary cites Heiserman. His implementation of Heiserman is incomplete, and his usage is incompetent, as I have explained in some detail in previous posts. If instructors want to discuss Heiserman, it would be far better to use the original sources.

Instructors who spend enough time experimenting with virtual Beta Rodney will discover that the circuit I describe is in fact from the David Heiserman book I found it in.

It is very irresponsible to demand that I do not credit the person I learned this modeling technique from. But I know how always "giving credit where due" is not one of your strong points.

The only thing instructors need from you is YOUR Heiserman based computer model for demonstrating how "intelligence" works, which when tested in shock-zone type tests as demanding as I use will do as well as a real rat and have readings that follow available research in regards to neural concordant/discordant pair ratios in it's navigational array and all else that is included in the ID Lab documentation to show it's relevance to biology.

Your mud-slinging is a cheap excuse for having nothing this life-like, which come from David Heiserman having been right, and my understanding why. What you (more like don't) have would only embarrass him.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2015,19:14   

I found two annoying punctuation typos, oh my!
I must make a quick edit:
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Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 25 2015,17:34)
Gary cites Heiserman. His implementation of Heiserman is incomplete, and his usage is incompetent, as I have explained in some detail in previous posts. If instructors want to discuss Heiserman, it would be far better to use the original sources.

Instructors who spend enough time experimenting with virtual Beta Rodney will discover that the circuit I describe is in fact from the David Heiserman book I found it in.

It is very irresponsible to demand that I do not credit the person I learned this modeling technique from. But I know how always "giving credit where due" is not one of your strong points.

The only thing instructors need from you is YOUR Heiserman based computer model for demonstrating how "intelligence" works, which when tested in shock-zone type tests as demanding as I use will do as well as a real rat and have readings that follow available research in regards to neural concordant/discordant pair ratios in its navigational array and all else that is included in the ID Lab documentation to show its relevance to biology.

Your mud-slinging is a cheap excuse for having nothing this life-like, which come from David Heiserman having been right, and my understanding why. What you (more like don't) have would only embarrass him.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2015,20:26   

Can Gary show any place, any time that I've demanded that he not cite people? Of course not.

Gary stops with Heiserman's Beta, ignoring Gamma. Thus Gary's implementation is incomplete.

Gary ignores Heiserman's philosophic stance for why he did things the way he did, thus Gary's usage of Heiserman is incompetent in my opinion.

The best resource for Heiserman is still Heiserman. Gary only subtracts from Heiserman.

I don't need to have any code at all to point out where Gary's code and text fails. It fails on its own lack of merit.

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2015,21:11   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 25 2015,18:13)
     
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 25 2015,16:02)
I've downloaded your code a couple of times.  You cannot count me as someone who finds your stuff useful.

You do not even program game or scientific software that the code applies to. In your case it's like a biologist claiming that giant telescopes are useless to them for seeing inside cells therefore astronomy is a pseudoscience.

I figure that around 1 in 100 will later experiment with something they learned about from the information in the download.

At places like the Kurzweil AI forum the regular readers don't even need the download. What I explained in the forum is enough to work from, using whatever programming language they already use. It's so easy to add into existing software by just typing the code lines in by hand they don't even need to see how I coded it, to add it real quick into theirs.

It's hard to count how many times it has been experimented with, but I was being conservative enough in my estimate. With the way the model and theory is useful in so many different areas of science I would expect thousands of applications the theory can ultimately be used in.

And I need to add that all the comments at the NCSE blog vanished, from at least my screen. It's like a weird Grinch stole Christmas story. But for all else it's still preserved here:
disqus.com/by/gary_gaulin

BS.

First, I've published several computer programs (in scientific journals, so it can be done!), albeit not recently.  This means that I have some qualifications in the area, even if I'm not working in your specific area.  But let me be more precise: I don't see much value in your program, either for my own interests or for anyone else interested in the evolutionary & biological areas that you claim to be addressing, because your model does not simulate the sort of stuff that you claim it does.  It's less a ground-truthed model and more of playing with semantics obscured by a whole lot of computer coding.

Second, you said, "This includes all the people who have downloaded and experimented with any of the ID Lab models."   Again, you said "ALL".  I account for two of the downloads, and I am not included in the people who find your model useful.

Third, your estimates are grossly mistaken, because they wrongly assume that there is something worthwhile to be found in your programs.

   
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With the way the model and theory is useful in so many different areas of science I would expect thousands of applications the theory can ultimately be used in.
That might be true if you had demonstrated any usefulness or applicability, and if you had ground-truthed your model, but you haven't done that, so this claim is merely another unsupported assertion on your part.  And your stuff doesn't yet qualify as a theory.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2015,21:53   

Wesley where in the following (from IA module of ID Lab #5) do you see me making the claim the code is for demonstrating all of the work of David Heiserman therefore obliged to demonstrate an add-on to Beta to make what he called Gamma even though that tweak is not directly relevant to the basic systematics of human cognition that Arnold Trehub got right in Fig 9.3?

Code Sample
Model is based on David L. Heiserman "How to Build Your Own elf-Programming Robot" TAB Books 1979
http://robots.net/article/3428.html
Also Arnold Trehub "The Cognitive Brain", MIT Press 1991, Chapter 9, Page 158, Fig 9.3
http://people.umass.edu/trehub/
http://people.umass.edu/trehub/thecognitivebrain/chapter9.pdf


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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2015,23:02   

Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 25 2015,21:11)
Third, your estimates are grossly mistaken, because they wrongly assume that there is something worthwhile to be found in your programs.

Then first, why do you believe that understanding what David Heiserman and Arnold Trehub said is not worthwhile?

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2015,23:34   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 25 2015,23:02)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 25 2015,21:11)
Third, your estimates are grossly mistaken, because they wrongly assume that there is something worthwhile to be found in your programs.

Then first, why do you believe that understanding what David Heiserman and Arnold Trehub said is not worthwhile?

I didn't say that.  If someone wants to teach those guys' ideas in an appropriate class, I have no problem with that, but your model has so many problems that it is not helpful in teaching about their ideas.  It would be better just to teach their stuff directly.

Your model is overlain with so much trash (unsupported assertions about unrelated material, basic errors in logic and biology, more or less contradictory crap about emergence and design and self-similarity, incorrect terminology, bloviated word salad, bizarre uses of terms that are neither explained nor justified, and horrible, horrible English that mystifies the readers) that it is best kept as far from students as possible, except possibly as examples of how not to do science, how not to write a paper, and the dangers of falling in love with your own idea and failing to use scientific procedures.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,00:10   

Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 25 2015,23:34)
It would be better just to teach their stuff directly.

Fine then show me what you or anyone else has to demonstrate what they got right (minus what was iffy or wrong) which when tested in shock-zone type tests as demanding as I use it does as well as a real rat, and has readings that follow available research in regards to neural concordant/discordant pair ratios in its navigational array and all else that is included in the ID Lab documentation to show its relevance to biology and the phrase "intelligent cause"?

Before even getting into ID relates issues you are telling instructors to go teach everything said in now decades old books as 100% truth because a couple of political activists who obviously don't even know how to test it said so?

Are you going nuts? Or just trolling? Seriously.

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,00:56   

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Before even getting into ID relates issues you are telling instructors to go teach everything said in now decades old books as 100% truth

I did not say that either. I said that dealing with their stuff would be better than wading through the errors and garbage and problems in your stuff.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,01:25   

Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 26 2015,00:56)
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Before even getting into ID relates issues you are telling instructors to go teach everything said in now decades old books as 100% truth

I did not say that either. I said that dealing with their stuff would be better than wading through the errors and garbage and problems in your stuff.

Explain to me why a computer model written in code works so well when it is supposed to be so full of errors. Creep.

It's just the same old bullshit where you play semantics games in order to make it appear you found problems. Discrediting assholes like that need to be made academically powerless.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,03:35   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 25 2015,21:53)
Wesley where in the following (from IA module of ID Lab #5) do you see me making the claim the code is for demonstrating all of the work of David Heiserman therefore obliged to demonstrate an add-on to Beta to make what he called Gamma even though that tweak is not directly relevant to the basic systematics of human cognition that Arnold Trehub got right in Fig 9.3?

Code Sample
Model is based on David L. Heiserman "How to Build Your Own elf-Programming Robot" TAB Books 1979
http://robots.net/article/3428.html
Also Arnold Trehub "The Cognitive Brain", MIT Press 1991, Chapter 9, Page 158, Fig 9.3
http://people.umass.edu/trehub/
http://people.umass.edu/trehub/thecognitivebrain/chapter9.pdf

You are missing the point, Gary.

But I'm not concerned about trying to get your faulty cognitive processes up to speed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,06:08   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2015,02:25)
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 26 2015,00:56)
 
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Before even getting into ID relates issues you are telling instructors to go teach everything said in now decades old books as 100% truth

I did not say that either. I said that dealing with their stuff would be better than wading through the errors and garbage and problems in your stuff.

Explain to me why a computer model written in code works so well when it is supposed to be so full of errors. Creep.

It's just the same old bullshit where you play semantics games in order to make it appear you found problems. Discrediting assholes like that need to be made academically powerless.

The error is that it is not a model of anything.
It is capable of elucidating no problems, of providing zero clarity on any issue related to genuine intelligence.
It is, as we keep having to point out, not ground-truthed, and so irrelevant.

Your 'discovery' of the utility of a hex grid system is prior art.  Viz. Avalon Hill games of the 70s and countless other systems that have long known the utility of hex over quad grids for mapping and movement.

There's nothing else in your effluent that is useful or insightful.  Your model, modeling nothing in particular, can be made to do whatever you care for it to do -- you have no ground-truthing nor do you have a speculative model, as your "theory" ought to (but fails to) provide, that could be 'tested' by your code.

Same as it ever was.  You're not even failing on a grand scale, Gary.  You're just failing.  It's pathetic.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,06:43   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2015,01:25)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 26 2015,00:56)
   
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Before even getting into ID relates issues you are telling instructors to go teach everything said in now decades old books as 100% truth

I did not say that either. I said that dealing with their stuff would be better than wading through the errors and garbage and problems in your stuff.

Explain to me why a computer model written in code works so well when it is supposed to be so full of errors. Creep.

Do
Snowflakes = Snowflakes + 1
Loop until Snowflakes > Blizzard

Yay, I've modelled a blizzard.  

And my Theory of Intelligent Causation of Blizzards shows that Einstein was wrong about relativity.

And you put hippocampi in insects (and then said the insect was more of a rat with wings).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,09:29   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 25 2015,15:22)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Dec. 25 2015,14:57)
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Would you like to help publish and distribute the Theory of Intelligent Design that is now being used by serious experimenters?

Name one, other than yourself.

This includes all the people who have downloaded and experimented with any of the ID Lab models. From the total number of hits I would expect several thousand people have at least how they say "experimented with the code".

I asked you to name one, not speculate on what might be done with your program after it's downloaded.  A lot of your stuff can be attributed to your being delusional, but when you make claim that the "theory" is being "...used by serious experimenters" it's just plain dishonesty.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,13:55   

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I found two annoying punctuation typos, oh my!
I must make a quick edit:


Now you need to correct the grammar, the sentence structure and the word usage then you would be able to communicate with the scientific community.

They will still tell you that your output is rubbish piled high.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,14:24   

American mental health treatment is notoriously poor. This forum is possibly the only therapy Gary's getting.

   
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,15:06   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 26 2015,03:35)
   
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 25 2015,21:53)
Wesley where in the following (from IA module of ID Lab #5) do you see me making the claim the code is for demonstrating all of the work of David Heiserman therefore obliged to demonstrate an add-on to Beta to make what he called Gamma even though that tweak is not directly relevant to the basic systematics of human cognition that Arnold Trehub got right in Fig 9.3?

Code Sample
Model is based on David L. Heiserman "How to Build Your Own Self-Programming Robot" TAB Books 1979
http://robots.net/article/3428.html
Also Arnold Trehub "The Cognitive Brain", MIT Press 1991, Chapter 9, Page 158, Fig 9.3
http://people.umass.edu/trehub/
http://people.umass.edu/trehub/thecognitivebrain/chapter9.pdf

You are missing the point, Gary.


You said:

   
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 25 2015,20:26)
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Gary stops with Heiserman's Beta, ignoring Gamma. Thus Gary's implementation is incomplete.

Gary ignores Heiserman's philosophic stance for why he did things the way he did, thus Gary's usage of Heiserman is incompetent in my opinion.


You are clearly demanding that the computer model and its theory must dwell on David Heiserman and his Alpha, Beta and Gamma terminology. You even demand adherence to what you believe is his "philosophic stance".

Changing the subject to philosophy led you out of bounds of science. But out of curiosity I must ask: what do you believe his "philosophic stance" is exactly?

And for bonus points explain why the "best guess" mechanism I use and the navigational network that is in the code is not what David Heiserman would qualify as Gamma behavior. In my opinion it is very possible that David would say that I'm way past Beta class behavior. But you appear to be magically able to speak for him or something by stating "Gary stops with Heiserman's Beta, ignoring Gamma."

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,15:35   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2015,16:06)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 26 2015,03:35)
   
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 25 2015,21:53)
Wesley where in the following (from IA module of ID Lab #5) do you see me making the claim the code is for demonstrating all of the work of David Heiserman therefore obliged to demonstrate an add-on to Beta to make what he called Gamma even though that tweak is not directly relevant to the basic systematics of human cognition that Arnold Trehub got right in Fig 9.3?

Code Sample
Model is based on David L. Heiserman "How to Build Your Own Self-Programming Robot" TAB Books 1979
http://robots.net/article/3428.html
Also Arnold Trehub "The Cognitive Brain", MIT Press 1991, Chapter 9, Page 158, Fig 9.3
http://people.umass.edu/trehub/
http://people.umass.edu/trehub/thecognitivebrain/chapter9.pdf

You are missing the point, Gary.


You said:

   
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 25 2015,20:26)
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Gary stops with Heiserman's Beta, ignoring Gamma. Thus Gary's implementation is incomplete.

Gary ignores Heiserman's philosophic stance for why he did things the way he did, thus Gary's usage of Heiserman is incompetent in my opinion.


You are clearly demanding that the computer model and its theory must dwell on David Heiserman and his Alpha, Beta and Gamma terminology. You even demand adherence to what you believe is his "philosophic stance".

Changing the subject to philosophy led you out of bounds of science. But out of curiosity I must ask: what do you believe his "philosophic stance" is exactly?

And for bonus points explain why the "best guess" mechanism I use and the navigational network that is in the code is not what David Heiserman would qualify as Gamma behavior. In my opinion it is very possible that David would say that I'm way past Beta class behavior. But you appear to be magically able to speak for him or something by stating "Gary stops with Heiserman's Beta, ignoring Gamma."

Nope, you're still missing the point.

You're a very confused person, Gary.  Almost as bad at taking words in as you are in spitting them out.  Although to be fair, you don't so much 'spit them out' as you do fling them heedlessly into quasi-random orderings that suit your current fancy and delusions.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,16:15   

And for the record: a Google search for "philosophic stance - definition" led to this:

 
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In the general sense, a philosophical position is a position that explains or accounts for a general philosophy or specific branch of philosophy.The use of the term theory here is a statement of colloquial English and not reflective of the term theory.

Philosophical theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_theory


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,17:01   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2015,17:15)
And for the record: a Google search for "philosophic stance - definition" led to this:

 
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In the general sense, a philosophical position is a position that explains or accounts for a general philosophy or specific branch of philosophy.The use of the term theory here is a statement of colloquial English and not reflective of the term theory.

Philosophical theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_theory

Still clueless after all these years.

Gary, you're hopeless.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2015,21:04   

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but when you make claim that the "theory" is being "...used by serious experimenters" it's just plain dishonesty.

I qualify "being used by serious experimenters" as a computer model or its theory of operation being seriously experimented with, by anyone who has the ability to do so. This can include teenage experimenters who spend some time experimenting with the on screen controls in order to gain an understanding of what happens when design parameters are changed.

Not being used by serious experimenters happens when all are stuck reading a book about a controversy that essentially argues ID theory for a model that can be seriously experimented with is possible, but none is included.

I don't know how you define "used by serious experimenters" but whatever it is it's scientifically useless academic snobbery that really only benefits the Discovery Institute and its affiliates.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2015,02:15   

So 'serious experimenters' = 'bored teenagers who press a few buttons to see what happens'.

Great job, Gary.

How anyone can maintain you are a deranged idiot is beyond me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2015,02:19   

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So 'serious experimenters' = 'bored teenagers who press a few buttons to see what happens'.

Great job, Gary.

How anyone can maintain you are a deranged idiot is beyond me.

Hey ass-wiper, I said "spend some time experimenting with the on screen controls in order to gain an understanding of what happens when design parameters are changed."

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2015,03:46   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2015,02:19)
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 27 2015,02:15)
So 'serious experimenters' = 'bored teenagers who press a few buttons to see what happens'.

Great job, Gary.

How anyone can maintain you are a deranged idiot is beyond me.

Hey ass-wiper, I said "spend some time experimenting with the on screen controls in order to gain an understanding of what happens when design parameters are changed."

And considering how design parameters to change and (by charting and graphing behavior) include an attractor network that models hippocampi and entohinal cortex areas there might already be pre-teens who can put any cognitive science related experience you have to shame.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2015,03:55   

Gary, stop fantasizing about children using your software.

They aren't and they won't.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2015,04:07   

Another awful typo! Oh no!! I must make another quick edit before scientific disgrace is dumped upon me for my imperfect sentence construction. Here goes:

 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2015,02:19)
 
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 27 2015,02:15)
So 'serious experimenters' = 'bored teenagers who press a few buttons to see what happens'.

Great job, Gary.

How anyone can maintain you are a deranged idiot is beyond me.

Hey ass-wiper, I said "spend some time experimenting with the on screen controls in order to gain an understanding of what happens when design parameters are changed."

And considering how design parameters to change and (by charting and graphing behavior) gain an understanding of include an attractor network that models hippocampi and entorhinal cortex areas there might already be preteens who can put any cognitive science related experience you have to shame.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2015,06:23   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2015,03:19)
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 27 2015,02:15)
So 'serious experimenters' = 'bored teenagers who press a few buttons to see what happens'.

Great job, Gary.

How anyone can maintain you are a deranged idiot is beyond me.

Hey ass-wiper, I said "spend some time experimenting with the on screen controls in order to gain an understanding of what happens when design parameters are changed."

Nothing more clearly demonstrates the intellectual poverty of your approach than this little gem.

Tweaking design parameters designed into a system allows people to 'gain an understanding' of what happens when design parameters are changed.

One really does wonder what sort of brilliant insight this is supposed to be.  How it is supposed to differentiate Gary's software from, oh, say, Mathematica or CSS or templating in Rails or styles in Word or HTML or, well, the list is practically endless.

The core criticism remains -- your software allows no elucidation of design or intelligence, no matter how construed.  It is trivial, silly, and without scientific merit.
It has no explanatory power for it has no relation to the real world.  
Insofar as it has a meta-model, that meta-model is navel-gazing as performed by invisible ghosts.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2015,06:28   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2015,05:07)
Another awful typo! Oh no!! I must make another quick edit before scientific disgrace is dumped upon me for my imperfect sentence construction. Here goes:

 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2015,02:19)
   
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 27 2015,02:15)
So 'serious experimenters' = 'bored teenagers who press a few buttons to see what happens'.

Great job, Gary.

How anyone can maintain you are a deranged idiot is beyond me.

Hey ass-wiper, I said "spend some time experimenting with the on screen controls in order to gain an understanding of what happens when design parameters are changed."

And considering how design parameters to change and (by charting and graphing behavior) gain an understanding of include an attractor network that models hippocampi and entorhinal cortex areas there might already be preteens who can put any cognitive science related experience you have to shame.

Too late -- you have already adorned yourself with scientific disgrace.

A few hours with a Mandelbrot set graphics program and a half-hour study of z->z^2 + c will teach far more about attractor networks than anything you've ever done.
You do not model a hippocampus.  You do not model an entorhinal cortex.
You model no biological subsystems at all.  At the most, you model crayon sketches of cartoon drawings of blurry photographs of poorly grasped concepts abstracted away from their physical and physiological roots.
And you're not very good at it.

The amusement value of including a typo in the post that begins with mock horror at the existence of a typo in your work, as if that were the height of criticism raised against your effluent, speaks for itself.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2015,08:57   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2015,01:25)
Explain to me why a computer model written in code works so well when it is supposed to be so full of errors. Creep.

One of the surest signs of arrested intellectual development is the inability to distinguish between a container and the thing contained.

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2015,21:04)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Dec. 26 2015,09:29)
but when you make claim that the "theory" is being "...used by serious experimenters" it's just plain dishonesty.

I qualify "being used by serious experimenters" as a computer model or its theory of operation being seriously experimented with, by anyone who has the ability to do so.

Can you name a single person who has used your "theory" or program to do anything useful?  You can't, thus your claim is dishonest.  The putative interest in throwing switches has nothing to do with the basis of the "theory" in any event, and you've inadvertently just admitted as much.

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Evolution is not about laws but about randomness on happanchance.--Robert Byers, at PT

  
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