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Faid



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,01:05   

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Trying to converse with you is a bit like herding cats or knitting fog. It is very difficult to make any headway. What is worse, you apear to be deliberately making it so.

Unless you post your ideas, clearly I give up. Also we are on completely the wrong thread here and should move over to your own thread.


Hear hear.

Thordaddy, if you are not just another troll, and you actually have a point besides trying to show how "faith" is not faith and "evidence" is not evidence and "identical" is not identical, please make a clear and cohesive post -or just any post, really- stating your views, in your own thread (it's got your name, you can't miss it). And we'll take it from there.
Stop hijacking this one, and maybe I'll take you seriously.

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A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty:

"The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information"

"...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,01:56   

No point in discontinuing the hijacking now, this plane's nearly to cuba.

   
Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,04:28   

Tacitus:
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There is one possible scenario I would be happy to see where we never get to a post-ID world.  That would be the one where an advanced alien race landed on Earth saying "Mea culpa, we accidentally contaminated your planet with some biological goop which escaped from our lab. Sorry about that."

Can we call this the "Alien Meth Lab" hypothosis?
Earth as an inter-galactic trailer park.  Thanks, this explains a lot, suddenly Britney Spears, trucker hats, yelling "Play Freebird" and not doing your own reading  fall into some kind of context.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,04:31   

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Lastly, I didn't not say science and religion were identical much like a scientist wouldn't say a human and a fish were identical.  What I said was that science and religion were fundamentally identical similar to how fish and humans are fundamentally identical.  They both share a common lineage, common structure and common function.  Call it descent with modification.

You fellas really need to get your act together if you expect science to get the respect you demand.

So, science and religion are identical in the way humans and fish are identical. Cool.

Yup, TD, til we're just like you, us scientists just won't get no respect. Dang.



Whoa, tough crowd!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,04:36   

I didn't say you were pregnant, I said you were kinda pregnant.

   
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,07:58   

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Your reply betrays your sentiments.


LOL.

talk about stating the obvious.

  
thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,09:35   

Stephen Elliot,

I can not help it if your decide not to read or your comprehension is poor.  

First, I didn't say science was holding back the truth, but instead asked stevestory if that was what HE was saying about science in regards to plate tetonics?

Secondly, at the fundamental level (structure and function), science and religion are of the same lineage.  If you dispute this assertion then say so and lay down your argument.  Both endeavors are unique to human intelligence, both seek greater truth and both interpret empirical evidence and give it meaning.  The ONLY appreciable difference is the idea that science makes predictions and does experiments.  Call it descent with modification.   You do believe in evolution, no?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,09:46   

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Are murder and rape a part of the Universe?


wow. Just...wow.

   
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,10:36   

Thordaddy,
I have answerwed you on your own thread.

  
thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2006,21:28   

Stephen Elliot opines,

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Science is supposed to make it difficult for ideas to be accepted. It does this by requiring measurable evidence. Experiments/predictions etc.

Portend? I am not trying to portend a message. I am trying to give it.

You may think science and religion are fundamentaly identical. I certainly think you used the wrong word with "identical". But feel free to blame my comprehension.

Had tou said. "Science and Religion have a similar goal in-that they both try to explain the world we live in". I would have agreed. But what you said was "Science and Religion are fundamentally identical" and unqualified I consider that to be nonsense.

Finally. Yes, I believe evolution is the best explanation we have at the moment for the diversity of life.


First, I apologize for mistaking attribution of certain things said.  Secondly, I agree that science requires "measurable evidence."  I think I had said as much and labeled this a modification in intelligence.  

As for the little dispute over "portend," your simple answer was suffice to my simple question, but surely you can understand a different perspective?  Afterall, you stated that establishment scientists obtructed greater scientific truths.  Are you sure that we don't have a similar situation with ID?

Lastly, what isn't identical except for the measurable evidence (modification)?  At the fundamental level, both religion and science are common in structure and function.  In fact, without religion there would seemingly be no science.  

Descent with modification... you do believe in it, no?

  
Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,04:05   

Thordaddy,
This is a debating forum.  Words here are everything, so don't be upset if we point out that you are using words you don't understand.  Having said that, I think you are using words you don't understand, and I want to know why.  Are you trying to impress us with your vocabulary?  Please stop it.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,04:12   

Don't listen to him Thordaddy. Keep on using words incorrectly. It adds flavor to your crazy ideas.

   
improvius



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,04:34   

So you mean science without God is like a fish without a bicycle?

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Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late.
Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

  
Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,04:37   

Now I'll just get an irate message asking if I think that only the "smart" people can use the "Big Words".
Reminds me of word salad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad
"Look Ma! I'm an elitest"

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thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,12:17   

Seven Popes,

You need to be a little more specific if you wish to be taken seriously.  I've noticed that the rebuttals are short on specifics.  Do you have a word in mind and a quote in which it was wrongly used?  Don't be scared to defend your position, but as of now how could I possibly respond to what you have stated?

  
Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,12:26   

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You need to be a little more specific if you wish to be taken seriously.


Oh, the irony!

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how could I possibly respond to what you have stated?


I'm sure no one will be too disappointed if you resist the urge.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,12:46   

DaveScot Loses What Was Left of His Mind

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Posted on: March 21, 2006 5:49 PM

You gotta hand it to this cretin - when he loses it, he loses it big.

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....t_o.php

   
Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,13:17   

Thordaddy:
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Don't be scared to defend your position

Uh, okee dokee ???, What does the word 'Portend' mean? No peeking in a dictionary either.

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Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,13:42   

SteveStory,
I apologize for uh, rehijacking your thread.  I prepose we start a "Thordaddies Gems" thread.  With stuff like
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You sound like you're fighting for a cause that rivals any religious fanatic.  
well, where do I start? ??? A cause that rivals any religious fanatic?  Is this an example of ESL? I think he meant to say "You sound like you're fighting for a cause that with the zeal of a religious fanatic."  But who knows?

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,14:03   

Why bother leaving now?

Huh. I see above I posted DaveScot Loses What Was Left of His Mind on the wrong thread. I meant that for OUPDT.

   
Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,14:07   

Ha!
SteveStory derails his OWN thread!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,14:14   

stevestory is gone. -dt

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,14:16   

Quote (Seven Popes @ Mar. 21 2006,20:07)
Ha!
SteveStory derails his OWN thread!

I'm derailing YOU, pal. You're gone.-dt

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,14:21   

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I'm derailing YOU, pal. You're gone.-dt
Hey me, I already banned him. You're ...uh...we're gone. -dt

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,14:53   

Get out of my country, Stevestory. Right now. Pack your trash and g-e-t o-u-t.-dt

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thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,15:01   

Seven Hopes,

I've already listed the definition for "portend."  Needless to say, it was used correctly.  As for your next gripe, actually I can't hear you and so "sound" would probably be the wrong choice of word, but I don't understand your point?  Is it that you can't understand what was being said or is it because it wasn't grammactically correct?  Your stance, rhetoric, position, etc. gives the impression that you fight for a cause and because religious fanatics are known for fighting for specific causes, in this regard you become a rival fanatic.  But I digress, as this is exactly what you understood me to say and so the scientist is now critiquing grammar.  But if you have any more, please correct me.  I'm in no way afraid of being corrected.  

But we can also get this topic back on track.

Stevestory,

What the heck does "post-ID" mean?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,15:04   

trying to expain to you, for the n-th time, what post-ID means, is not the point of the thread. There were a few relevant comments for a while, and I appreciate the people who left those.

   
thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,15:15   

Yes stevestory,

The point was to brainstorm about what IDT would do next during this time of defeat and alienation.  The problem of course is that you're a scientist and so your thinking on the matter at hand will be quite limited.  You think that IDT need to play by the rules of "science," but seem unwilling to concede that no such constraints exist for IDT.  Science has given up and gone home with the ball on the issue of Origins.  Why would anyone need follow your scientific protocol? Remember, science isn't even in the game.

  
sir_toejam



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,15:44   

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The problem of course is that you're a scientist and so your thinking on the matter at hand will be quite limited..


well, actually it's more to do with rational thought limiting irrational drivel like your own, than any
relation to science in a more specific sense.

If you're saying that IDiots don't limit themselves to rational thought and logic, well, you're certainly correct there.

whacky...  just... whacky.

  
thordaddy



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 21 2006,15:58   

sir toejam,

What can science say about a mother that drowns her five children one by one... nothing!  What can science say about my motivation for posting to this forum... nothing!  And lastly, what can science say about the Origins...????  If you think science is sufficient to navigate this world then it is only because your world is so scientifically limited.  Rationality and logic don't reside within science, but reside within human intelligence.

So back to the point.  How can a scientist speculate about ID's course of action when he has no knowledge of the subject and triumphantly claims as much.  How can one possibly contrive ideas for that which one considers irrational and illogical?  Wouldn't one's ideas be equally irrational and illogical?

  
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