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JAM



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2008,18:43   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 22 2008,17:37)
Professor Doolittle also does not answer the crucial questions of how much factor is formed, where is it formed and how fast is it formed. Any changes in the exact location, quantity and timing of the appearance of these factors would produce inappropriate clots, that would harm the organism.

You're lying again, Charlie:

Transgenic Mice Can Express Mutant Human Coagulation Factor IX with Higher Level of Clotting Activity
Authors: Yan, Jing-Bin; Wang, Shu; Huang, Wen-Ying; Xiao, Yan-Ping; Ren, Zhao-Rui; Huang, Shu-Zheng; Zeng, Yi-Tao1
Biochemical Genetics, Volume 44, Numbers 7-8, August 2006 , pp. 347-358(12)

Abstract:
To improve the available values of transgenic animals, we produced a mutant human coagulation factor IX minigene (including cDNA and intron I) with arginine at 338 changed to alanine (R338A-hFIX) by using a direct mutation technique. The R338A-hFIX minigene was then cloned into a plasmid carrying the goat ?-casein promoter to get a mammary gland-specific expression vector. The clotting activity in the supernatant of the transfected HC-11 cells increased to approximately three times more than that of wild-type hFIX. Nine transgenic mice (three females and six males) were produced, and the copy number of the foreign gene was very different, ranging from 1 to 43 in different lines. ELISA, Western blot, and clotting assay experiments showed that the transgenic mice could express R338A-hFIX, showing higher average levels of clotting activity than wild-type hFIX in the milk (103.76% vs. 49.95%). The highest concentration and clotting activity of hFIX reached 26 ?g/mL and 1287% in one founder (F0-7), which was over 10 times higher than that in human plasma. Furthermore, RT-PCR, APTT assay, and histological analysis indicated that hFIX was expressed specifically in the mammary gland without affecting the intrinsic coagulation pathway and physiologic performance of the local tissue.

Why, if you are correct, do you have to lie so much?

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2008,18:53   

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How is this different from magic?


Some other things to add to that list: The sun rises. The moon rises. Lightning flashes. Ash spurts from volcanos. Clouds just appear in the air. Those gotta be magic too, right? :p

Henry

Edit:

Oh, and some plants can grow when placed in a vase with only water in it, no soil. Add that to the list.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2008,19:17   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 22 2008,15:27)
 
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We know full well what ID is and isn't.


As a lifelong atheist/agnostic, I resent the implication that ID and religious creationism are the same thing....There is enough factual science, from anatomy to zoology to fill any school's scientific curriculum with non-controversial, factual science. Any teaching of darwinian evolution or creationism or "the controversy" is nothing more than a waste of time that could be better spent on real science.

I call concern troll.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2008,19:32   

Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 12 2008,15:51)
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Why don't you tell them they are wasting their time and that you've in fact got it all solved already?


They are wasting their time.

There's not a shred of empirical evidence, either observational or experimental, that establishes a plausible nexus, actual or hypothetical, between the trivial effects of random mutation and natural selection and the emergence of the highly organized structures, processes and systems found in living organisms.

Just look at molecular motors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_motors#Examples

http://www.charliewagner.com

Consider the coke can and how it is intelligently designed for the human hand and how the tab on the top seems perfect for opening. Goddidit.

  
tsig



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2008,19:34   

Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 12 2008,15:51)
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Why don't you tell them they are wasting their time and that you've in fact got it all solved already?


They are wasting their time.

There's not a shred of empirical evidence, either observational or experimental, that establishes a plausible nexus, actual or hypothetical, between the trivial effects of random mutation and natural selection and the emergence of the highly organized structures, processes and systems found in living organisms.

Just look at molecular motors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_motors#Examples

http://www.charliewagner.com

Do molecular motors take molecular mechanics?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2008,19:38   

Quote (tsig @ Aug. 22 2008,19:34)
Do molecular motors take molecular mechanics?

Yeah, that's okay.

Just leave your credit card with me, and leave that motor here, we'll have her running like a top by next Tuesday.

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tsig



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2008,19:48   

Quote (skeptic @ Aug. 18 2008,18:59)
Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 16 2008,17:55)
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Did you even read what I said?


Not only did I read what you said, I went and read up on "Garden of Eden" patterns.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not just blowing you off. This interface between chaos theory and life is a subject that I have grappled with often.

In fact, it is safe to say that my understanding of it is still a "work in progress".

What continues to drive me on is an unshakable belief that a natural explanation will be found, that will fall squarely within the realm of science.

Debunking darwinism does not mean accepting religious creationism. All it means is that Darwin was wrong and we've got to keep looking for scientific explanations.

Not to play devil's advocate, but how is that possible when ID completely removes itself from the realm of science?

Saying Darwin was wrong is one thing, and one I fully support, but saying he's wrong because of some unknown and undetectable intelligence is nothing more than faith.  You might as well throw your lot in with YECs because you're playing in the same scientific ballpark.

Not trying to snipe here, but I'd really love to see just one example of how ID can be reconciled with scientific investigation.

What is Darwin wrong about?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2008,19:49   

No, CW's been around for years. I believe he's honest about his agnosticism. He's just nuts.

Here's what PZ says about him, btw:

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Charlie Wagner
AKA Little Blond Girl, Militant Agnostic, many others

Wanking, Morphing, Stupidity, Insipidity, Spamming

Weird anti-evolutionist with delusions of intelligence. Commonly popped up in response to any science post to claim that it showed evolution was wrong. I put up with him for many years; when he rejected my request to make only constructive comments in a particular thread, he defied me and posted the same insult repeatedly, and then insisted it was his privilege, went on a morphing spree, and threatened to spam the site every time my back was turned. Complete ass.


If you want to watch him act crazy about a different topic, ask him about how the entire medical community is conspiring to give you heart disease, for instance.

   
charlie wagner



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,10:50   

From Pharyngula:

Occasionally PZ gets something right...

Most of what PZ says about me are damned lies.


  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,11:26   

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As a lifelong atheist/agnostic, I resent the implication that ID and religious creationism are the same thing.


One can be an ignorant loon in denial of the fact that IDC has been documented to be a re-labeling of a subset of the content of "creation science".

Resenting reality seems a poor way to go through life.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,11:33   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 23 2008,09:26)
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As a lifelong atheist/agnostic, I resent the implication that ID and religious creationism are the same thing.


One can be an ignorant loon in denial of the fact that IDC has been documented to be a re-labeling of a subset of the content of "creation science".

Resenting reality seems a poor way to go through life.

Or put another way, just because Charlie can conceptualize in his own head a form of Intelligent Design that has no connection with Creationism, that does not mean that such a form of ID actually exists.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,11:40   

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One can be an ignorant loon in denial of the fact that IDC has been documented to be a re-labeling of a subset of the content of "creation science".

Resenting reality seems a poor way to go through life.


Ah! The "big dog" comes out to play.

Hope you're healthy and well, Wes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,11:55   

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What is Darwin wrong about?


Pangenesis. That's not how heredity is done. However, Darwin's hypothesis of heredity required extreme amounts of sub-cellular complexity, a fact that various IDC advocate ignoramuses never bother to mention.

Is natural selection the main mechanism of evolutionary change? The question is still actively discussed now, though I think the genetic drift/neutral theory faction has the edge for asserting that drift or neutral change is the most common form of evolutionary change. Dawkins responded to a question of mine on this point saying that when we look at the level of genes or proteins, nearly all change appears to occur by drift, but when we look at the level of visible phenotypic traits, almost all of those appear to be due to natural selection. So even if technically "wrong" on the issue, the wrongness is due to data that didn't start being revealed until the 1960s, over a hundred years after "Origin of Species" hit the bookshelves.

Usually, people asserting "Darwin was wrong!" can't be bothered to substantiate just how. I've challenged some of those folks in the past, and either they decide that some other things are more pressing at the moment, argue that everybody knows that their claim is right, or rattle off a batch of ignorant tosh. I don't recall any of them being able to give a good technical summary of an actual issue upon which Darwin could justifiably be said to have been wrong, usually because the things they wish Darwin had been wrong about he was right about. Common descent as an explanation for life's history and diversity. Natural selection as a mechanism that explains adapative traits. Speciation as a process that occurs naturally. And that's just a few of the issues within evolutionary biology, and ignores Darwin's contributions to biology in general and geology as well.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,12:54   

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Usually, people asserting "Darwin was wrong!" can't be bothered to substantiate just how. I've challenged some of those folks in the past, and either they decide that some other things are more pressing at the moment, argue that everybody knows that their claim is right, or rattle off a batch of ignorant tosh.


Darwin was wrong about the power of natural selection.

He failed to provide a shred of empirical evidence, either observational or experimental, that establishes a plausible nexus, actual or hypothetical, between the trivial effects of random mutation and natural selection and the emergence of the highly organized structures, processes and systems found in living organisms.

He did address some highly organized structures, such as the eye, but he knew nothing about the nature of the cell. He can be excused for that failure.

I believe that it is self-evident that the eye did not evolve by the process
of mutation and natural selection. Not only is the rate of so-called
"beneficial" mutations ridiculously low, but the eye is an integrated
structure that fits in with the nerves,
bones and muscles of the body. Even if you can concede the possibility of
the eye itself evolving, you would have to account for the concurrent
evolution of the bones of the head, the eye socket, etc, the muscles that
control the eye, the nerves that carry the images, the blood vessels that
supply the eye,  the biochemical reactions that make vision possible and the
cerebral cortex necessary to process the images. Evolutionary biologists
forget, sometimes, that all of an organism is integrated together, the parts
and processes are not separate. For one to "evolve", all must evolve and in
a manner that allows the parts to function together. This would require such
a fantastically large number of intermediate forms with various combinations
of "beneficial" mutations that it puts the whole concept of evolution well
beyond the reach of chance. Darwinian evolution by natural selection is
merely a special case of the general procedure of problem solving by trial
and error. This method would never be successful in achieving the level of
organization that we see. It is too inefficient. And there would not be
enough room in the universe for all of the rejects.

But the really telling fact is that in the century and a half  following his claim, his successors have done no better. The "leap of faith" that he depended on has become longer and longer as deeper layers of organization are uncovered so that it would now take a miracle to explain these structures, processes and systems with the mechanism he proposed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,12:59   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 23 2008,10:54)
This would require such a fantastically large number of intermediate forms with various combinations of "beneficial" mutations that it puts the whole concept of evolution well beyond the reach of chance.

Your incredulity is not evidence, Charlie.

I suspect you've been told this before.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,13:04   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 23 2008,12:54)
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Usually, people asserting "Darwin was wrong!" can't be bothered to substantiate just how. I've challenged some of those folks in the past, and either they decide that some other things are more pressing at the moment, argue that everybody knows that their claim is right, or rattle off a batch of ignorant tosh.


Darwin was wrong about the power of natural selection.

He failed to provide a shred of empirical evidence, either observational or experimental, that establishes a plausible nexus, actual or hypothetical, between the trivial effects of random mutation...

Hold it right there.
So Darwin was wrong because he didn't discover genetics, DNA and all?

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,13:35   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 23 2008,13:54)
I believe that it is self-evident that the eye did not evolve by the process
of mutation and natural selection.

I find it self-evident that it did.

Ergo, "self-evidence" cancels. So, on with some actual science. Hint: reporting fictional junkyard observations following fictional tornados doesn't count.

(You gonna cut and paste your entire website, paragraph by paragraph?)

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,14:13   

Quote

Usually, people asserting "Darwin was wrong!" can't be bothered to substantiate just how. I've challenged some of those folks in the past, and either they decide that some other things are more pressing at the moment, argue that everybody knows that their claim is right, or rattle off a batch of ignorant tosh.


Charlie Wagner:

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I believe that it is self-evident [...]


Preceded and followed by the tosh.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2008,16:16   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 23 2008,13:54)
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Usually, people asserting "Darwin was wrong!" can't be bothered to substantiate just how. I've challenged some of those folks in the past, and either they decide that some other things are more pressing at the moment, argue that everybody knows that their claim is right, or rattle off a batch of ignorant tosh.


Darwin was wrong about the power of natural selection.

He failed to provide a shred of empirical evidence, either observational or experimental, that establishes a plausible nexus, actual or hypothetical, between the trivial effects of random mutation and natural selection and the emergence of the highly organized structures, processes and systems found in living organisms.

He did address some highly organized structures, such as the eye, but he knew nothing about the nature of the cell. He can be excused for that failure.

I believe that it is self-evident that the eye did not evolve by the process
of mutation and natural selection. Not only is the rate of so-called
"beneficial" mutations ridiculously low, but the eye is an integrated
structure that fits in with the nerves,
bones and muscles of the body. Even if you can concede the possibility of
the eye itself evolving, you would have to account for the concurrent
evolution of the bones of the head, the eye socket, etc, the muscles that
control the eye, the nerves that carry the images, the blood vessels that
supply the eye,  the biochemical reactions that make vision possible and the
cerebral cortex necessary to process the images. Evolutionary biologists
forget, sometimes, that all of an organism is integrated together, the parts
and processes are not separate. For one to "evolve", all must evolve and in
a manner that allows the parts to function together. This would require such
a fantastically large number of intermediate forms with various combinations
of "beneficial" mutations that it puts the whole concept of evolution well
beyond the reach of chance. Darwinian evolution by natural selection is
merely a special case of the general procedure of problem solving by trial
and error. This method would never be successful in achieving the level of
organization that we see. It is too inefficient. And there would not be
enough room in the universe for all of the rejects.

But the really telling fact is that in the century and a half  following his claim, his successors have done no better. The "leap of faith" that he depended on has become longer and longer as deeper layers of organization are uncovered so that it would now take a miracle to explain these structures, processes and systems with the mechanism he proposed.

Some are born tard, some achieve tardness, and some have tardness thrust upon 'em

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2008,11:54   

Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 12 2008,15:51)
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Why don't you tell them they are wasting their time and that you've in fact got it all solved already?


They are wasting their time.

There's not a shred of empirical evidence, either observational or experimental, that establishes a plausible nexus, actual or hypothetical, between the trivial effects of random mutation and natural selection and the emergence of the highly organized structures, processes and systems found in living organisms.

Just look at molecular motors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_motors#Examples

http://www.charliewagner.com

Yeah, no evidence at all.

Funny how little minded folk can be so impressed by fancy diagrams and computer generated clips...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2008,11:56   

Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 12 2008,16:16)
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Don't you find posting more or less the same thing under different names is not really advancing the cause? Do you think people are going to read such blog posts and be convinced? You say it is so, and it is so?


I always post with my real name, except on Pharyngula.
PZ doesn't like me so he blocks my name and IP address (with no success, I might add.)

As a parent of 4 children and a teacher for 33 years, I don't underestimate the value of repeating the same thing over and over.
You just never know who is paying attention.

Teacher?  Oh my....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2008,11:56   

Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 12 2008,16:35)
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So, what happened then. According to you?


I don't have a clue...but neither do you.

Like everyone else, we just have to deal with being in the uncomfortable position of not knowing.

Projection.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2008,11:59   

Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 15 2008,17:02)
Molecular motors – a lesson in nanotechnology from Nature
Roop Mallik

They are small, and there are billions of them inside you. Tiny machines, a thousandth of the thickness of human hair, but robust and designed for an amazing variety of functions. Science fiction? Think again … this is real, as real as flesh and blood !! If you can get your hands on a high school biology text book, flip through to the mandatory schematic of an animal cell. Look closely, what you will see is not a floppy bag with random things thrown in here and there. There is amazing structural organization within the cell, with several compartments (e.g. the nucleus, Golgi bodies, mitochondria) at specific locations. Many of these compartments are specialized “factories”, each with its own assembly line which requires specific raw material as input and generates specific products. A constant give-and-take of materials occurs within these factories, because each is dependent on the other. In the big picture of things this incessant exchange of material keeps the factories of the cell functioning, which in turn is what keeps us alive.

Read entire article:

[URL=http://www.tifr.res.in/~roop/NaturesNanotech.htm]

Ah, the argument from metaphorical language and analogies!

Brilliant!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2008,12:01   

Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 16 2008,16:26)
All algorithms are the result of intelligent input.

Well, you see, assertions and illogical syllogisms have got me totally convinced.

I mean, ALL algorithms are designed by intelligence totally proves it all, doesn't it?

How about only a conscious mind can produce information?  Like that one, too?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2008,12:08   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 23 2008,12:54)
Even if you can concede the possibility of
the eye itself evolving, you would have to account for the concurrent
evolution of the bones of the head, the eye socket, etc, the muscles that
control the eye, the nerves that carry the images, the blood vessels that
supply the eye,  the biochemical reactions that make vision possible and the
cerebral cortex necessary to process the images. Evolutionary biologists
forget, sometimes, that all of an organism is integrated together, the parts
and processes are not separate. For one to "evolve", all must evolve and in
a manner that allows the parts to function together. This would require such
a fantastically large number of intermediate forms with various combinations
of "beneficial" mutations that it puts the whole concept of evolution well
beyond the reach of chance.

I see that your arrogance is inversely proportional to your khowledge of developmental genetics and the actions of genes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2008,14:40   

http://charliewagner.blogspot.com/2008....ow.html


  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2008,16:13   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 28 2008,15:40)
http://charliewagner.blogspot.com/2008....ow.html


Looks like the Bat Signal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2008,16:25   

Bat^shit crazy signal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2008,20:05   

Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 28 2008,15:40)
http://charliewagner.blogspot.com/2008....ow.html


Dude. Check this out:



These were generated by means of BASIC code I adapted for my original Macintosh in April of 1986. It was written for ZBasic, a long forgotten Macintosh BASIC compiler that generated 68000 processor code. I don't recall the source of the original code.

The point being we've all been viewing and marveling at the Mandelbrot set for decades. It doesn't somehow wordlessly make your point. You'll have to argue it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2008,07:26   

Holy archeology, I found the code. It is ZBasic, as I used operators unique to that compiler (such as << to denote a bit-shift to do fast binary multiplication). I still have the ZBasic manual. I had forgotten that there were versions of ZBasic for MS-DOS, CP/M, the Apple II, and even the TRS-80, as well as the original Macintosh. ZBasic programs were intended to be entirely portable between platforms, but that broke when event trapping was included in the Macintosh version. But the sheer speed of the Mac's 16/32-bit 68000 (effectively a blazing 6 Mhz) made that worthwhile.

(That's how old this stuff is.)

The fossil. Notice how brief the main computational loop is (starts at line 00150):

00010 REM Mandelbrot set, Slow BASIC demonstrator
00020 REM Produces arraysize * arraysize representation of the mandelbrot set
00025 COORDINATE WINDOW
00030 DEF DBLINT A-O,Q-Z
00050 ARRAYSIZE = 150
00060 DIM PIC(150,150)
00065 DIM O(8,8)
00070 WINDOW HIDE 0:WINDOW 3,,(42,60)-(470,130),2
00080 GOSUB "DITHER"
00090 INPUT "Enter Real Number (-200 to 50) ";ACR
00095 ACR=ACR<<6
00100 CLS
00110 INPUT "Enter Imaginary Number (-125 to 125)  ";BCR
00115 BCR=BCR<<6
00120 CLS
00130 INPUT "Enter Side (max = 250) ";SIDE:SIDE=SIDE<<6
00140 GAP=(SIDE/ARRAYSIZE)
00141 REM
00145 REM Main computational loop
00146 REM
00150 FOR M=1 TO ARRAYSIZE STEP 10: PRINT "Working on row ";M
00160 AC=ACR + M * GAP
00170 FOR N=1 TO ARRAYSIZE STEP 10
00180 AZ=0 : BZ=0 : PC = 0 : S=0
00190 BC=BCR+N*GAP
00200 WHILE S<400 <<6 AND PC<100
00210 BZT=-((BZ*BZ)>>6):BZ=((AZ*BZ)>>6)*2+BC
00220 AZ=((AZ*AZ)>>6) + BZT +AC
00230 S=((BZ*BZ)>>6) + ((AZ*AZ)>>6):PC=PC+1
00240 WEND
00250 PIC(M,N)=PC
00260 NEXT
00265 TRONB:TROFF
00270 NEXT
00275 REM End computational loop
00276 REM
00280 CLS:WINDOW CLOSE 3:WINDOW 2,,(181,66)-(331,216),2
00290 FOR M=1  TO ARRAYSIZE
00300 FOR N=1 TO ARRAYSIZE
00310 IF PIC(M,N)=100 THEN PLOT M,151-N:GOTO "OUT"
00320 IF PIC(M,N)< O(M MOD 7,N MOD 7) THEN PLOT M,151-N
00330 "OUT":NEXT
00340 NEXT
00350 "LOOP" :TRONB:TROFF:GOTO "LOOP"
00360 END
00370 "DITHER"
00380 REM Generate recursive ordered dither threshold matrix
00390 PRINT "Generating Threshold Matrix..."
00400 I=0:J=0:K=1:N=0:P=3
00410 REM 'p' is order of array, size is(2^p)*(2^p)
00420 P=2^P
00430 GOSUB "RECURSE"
00440 RETURN
00450 "RECURSE"
00460 IF K = P THEN O(I,J)=N:N=N+1: K=K/2 :RETURN
00470 K=2*K:GOSUB "RECURSE"
00480 I=I+K:J=J+K:K=2*K:GOSUB "RECURSE"
00490 I=I-K:K=2*K:GOSUB "RECURSE"
00500 I=I+K:J=J-K:K=2*K:GOSUB "RECURSE"
00510 I=I-K:K=K/2:RETURN

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