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Posted: Feb. 10 2007,21:34

OMG! Does JoeG really say that a tree forms "nothing like descendants"?

I have "Family Tree" by House of Freaks playing on my drive right now.

Uncanny.

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Posted: Feb. 10 2007,21:51

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OMG! Does JoeG really say that a tree forms "nothing like descendants"?

I have "Family Tree" by House of Freaks playing on my drive right now.

Uncanny.

Incredible isn't it?

The guy is a loser with a capital L.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,00:39

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I have "Family Tree" by House of Freaks playing on my drive right now.

Rock on, Faid!

"Tantilla" is one of my favorite albums.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,01:10

Hi all from bloggy creek: �

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Is that Boggy Creek or Boggy Creek II? If it's the movie I'm thinking of, then there's chicks wrestling in the mud, a kid who can't seem to find his shirt, etc.

It's Legend of Boggy Creek, the first one. I've seen the MST 3000 takedown of Boggy Creek II--it's hilarious. Rent that one.

The first one is a "documentary." Hmm.

I thought maybe some bloggy creatures would come to my blog to hold my hand, but no. Fine. � :angry:

That's okay, I don't believe in the Boggy Creek monster or Bigfoot anyway. *Barricades door*

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,01:55

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Oh Lord.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2054

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The Sound of Mendelian Genetics Exploding

Didn't they already cover this?

I don't know if UD covered this or not, but it was certainly on Panda's Thumb. In March, 2005, as a matter of fact. That would be when the paper came out. It was also covered by the New York Times and other similarly obscure publications.

It is, in fact, a cool paper, and an exciting finding if it holds up. Whether or not it turns out to be true is still up for debate, however. Panda contributor Reed Cartwright has a publication suggesting an alternative hypothesis for the data. And in September, 2006 Nature published another alternative hypothesis, the rather unsexy possibility that hth mutant arabidopsis outcross far more readily than wild-type arabidopsis. (I suppose that technically that is VERY sexy). The authors of the original paper reply that they tried to account for this and don't think it is causing what they observe.

At any rate, it will take a while to suss this out. I, personally, hope it is true, just because it's way cool.

By the way, shouldn't DT's series of "The Sound of X Exploding," be accompanied by actual SOUND? I feel cheated. Really they should be titled, "The Picture of X exploding." Or maybe "The Visual Representation of." Me, I'm waiting for DT to post "The Sound of Music Exploding," because that would be most excellent on many levels.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,04:37

how can they say this stuff with a straight face? How many years will they be willing to sit round and, I don't know frankly, live vicariously through other peoples science?

Sound of the Genetic code assploding?
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Of course if life is designed, then the probability is close to one that multiple phyla would have it.

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But these numbers are probably not small enough for Darwinists or experts like religious professor, Scott Paeth

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We should try to develop a list of all the sophisticated mechanisms that had to be in a pre Cambrian organism.

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How can they look at each other with a straight face when they discuss things like this? They will probably make up some mechanism such as cross phyla gene transfer as the basis for this appearance of the same systems in different phyla. They are good at making up things. You have to give them credit there.

Jehu finally asks what everybody's been wondering

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What am I missing?

Atom is the designated scientist

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My additional prediction: when we discover ALL of the different layers of signal, the code won�t be �near� optimal for what it does, it will be optimal. Furthermore, since this optimality will only be operative relative to the ENTIRE set of signals, it will show forethought and foreward selection, further providing confirming evidence for the Design hypothesis.

Joseph tries, but gets it all mixed up

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Some computer codes also layer information- eg programs running in the background, statements etc.

niwraw is tripping and bringing back nuggets of psychedelic wisdom

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Moreover its �infiniteness� and �unlimitedness� grants that it has no �parent� upon it, because there cannot be two infinities (they would limit each other and outside infinity there is nothing).

jpark320 admits that everything that happens confirms his viewpoint anyway

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God is sending these people way more than 2 boats, but I guess they�re still missing it.

I hope I�m alive when we scientists unravel the parallel codes.

yeah. me too. And if the intelligent designer exists and is in the habit of leaving messages in his "code" and he really is that intelligent, it'll no doubt add something about how much it didn't do it the way jpark320 thought he did because that would have been stupid.
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I hope I�m alive when we scientists unravel the parallel codes

strikes me like the sort of thing that you'd hear somebody bluffing their way around say in an attempt to pass as one of the gang. Is that the sort of thing that scientists say then? :)

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,07:35

On the Sound of Mendelian Genetics Exploding thread at Uncommon Descent, it is mentioned that Luca Comai of The Comai Lab and evolutionary theoretician Reed A. Cartwright propose, in the peer journal The Plant Cell, a model that doesn't require the non-Mendelian mechanism "RNA backups" as suggested by Lolle et. al. Genome-wide non-mendelian inheritance of extra-genomic information in Arabidopsis.

PaV � � �

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I know the kind of attitude they have, the religious fervor that drives them. So, frankly, I�m not too interested in his opinion. Their putative hypothesis does not correlate well with some of the results that Lolle, et. al. report, despite their protestations otherwise. The paper has the tone of someone who is desperately trying to save genetics: �Our mutator hypothesis may appear complicated, but it comports with the data.� Ever hear of Occham�s Razor?

Which brings me to the point. PaV doesn't know what Occam's Razor means.

Occam: "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" or "Entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity". For instance, we don't assert that planets move under the laws of gravity with angel-assists. The angels are scientifically superfluous. (Sigh. In the olden days, everyone had to learn Latin. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur. )

In fact, Comai and Cartwright propose one fewer entity than Lolle et. al. Who will be found right will be determined the old-fashioned way � by new observations and a scientific evaluation of the evidence. Any final explanation should have just as many "entities" as are required. No more. No less.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,08:25

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Sigh. In the olden days, everyone had to learn Latin.

It used to be a way of telling if someone actually had a decent education. The greatest benefit was of course a better understanding of ones mother tongue. Not to mention what was going on in the world 2000 years ago.

The way the IDiots see things you would think it was all swords, sandals and a middle class white man with a beard nailed to a corporate logo.

It seems PaV has never heard of projection either.

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I know the kind of attitude they have, the religious fervor that drives them.

..oh is that so?

Thankfully we have more than the squabbling sons of Abraham in the Levant to thank for western civilization

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(First & last verse)

THOU still unravish'd bride of quietness,
Thou foster-child of Silence and slow Time,
Sylvan historian, who canst thus express
A flowery tale more sweetly than our rhyme:
What leaf-fringed legend haunts about thy shape
Of deities or mortals, or of both,
In Tempe or the dales of Arcady?
What men or gods are these? What maidens loth?
What mad pursuit? What struggle to escape?
What pipes and timbrels? What wild ecstasy?
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O Attic shape! fair attitude! with brede
Of marble men and maidens overwrought,
With forest branches and the trodden weed;
Thou, silent form! dost tease us out of thought
As doth eternity: Cold Pastoral!
When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st,
'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,�that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,11:24

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IOW there isn�t ANY reason to infer that traits are immutable, but that is exactly what is required for Zachriel�s premise to even have a chance.

The Creationist claiming that evolutionary theory requires the immutability of organic traits. I've got to admit, I found that comment to be very funny.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,14:42

DaveScot

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Phenotypically speaking, how do we know it wasn�t exactly like a modern chimp and the human lineage split off from it?

Evidence (paleontological, genomic).

DaveScot

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Or for that matter how do we know it wasn�t exactly like a modern human and chimps split off from it?

Evidence (paleontological, genomic).

DaveScot

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Evolution happens, except when it doesn�t. I only avoid saying what Leakey said (man descended from apes) because I�ve been conditioned like Pavlov�s dog to avoid saying it. As far as I know it might be perfectly accurate.

The word "ape" has several, closely related meanings, some of them imprecise. From his statements, DaveScot reveals that he doesn't understand the basics of evolutionary theory, nor does he understand that use of the term "ape" can result in confusion born of conflation unless its meaning is made clear in context.

In DaveScot's case, I think the conditioning was well-advised.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,15:18

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How can they look at each other with a straight face when they discuss things like this? They will probably make up some mechanism such as cross phyla gene transfer as the basis for this appearance of the same systems in different phyla.

What about common descent?

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,16:10

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How can they look at each other with a straight face when they discuss things like this? They will probably make up some mechanism such as cross phyla gene transfer as the basis for this appearance of the same systems in different phyla.

What about common descent?

Stop making things up. Geez.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,16:52

Dave's still gotta prove his ignorance is unlimited ...

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The amount of warming predicted by theoretical modeling of CO2 in the atmosphere is several times more than what has actually been measured.

Uh, no Dave, this simply isn't true. Not even close to true.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,18:27

Heh, it gets better. Now Dave's quoting old conclusions based on satellite and radiosonde data that's been shown to be incorrect in the years since.

Apparently he's unaware that Christy, the source of the "troposphere is actually cooling" satellite analysis, has acknowledged the calculation errors he and his team made (including one sign error on an important term in one equation). And that when corrected, the data actually correlates quite nicely with the ground temperature data. A point Christy agreed with when he was part of the NAS expert panel put together at the request of the Bush administration not long after Bush took office.

Tch tch Dave.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,18:39

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Heh, it gets better. � Now Dave's quoting old conclusions based on satellite and radiosonde data that's been shown to be incorrect in the years since.

Apparently he's unaware that Christy, the source of the "troposphere is actually cooling" satellite analysis, has acknowledged the calculation errors he and his team made (including one sign error on an important term in one equation). �And that when corrected, the data actually correlates quite nicely with the ground temperature data. �A point Christy agreed with when he was part of the NAS expert panel put together at the request of the Bush administration not long after Bush took office.

Tch tch Dave.

DaveScot citing ancient records �

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Friis-Christensen and Lassen (1991) and, more recently, Lean et al. (1995) have found ...

The Philosopher says the gods too are fond of a joke.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,18:54

Yeah, the most recent cite there is 1996 ... 11 years ago (and I believe that's just a letter to Nature).

Of course, our knowledge of climatology hasn't as grown a bit since then :)

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,21:46

STOP TEASING ME. I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE LASTEST RESEARCH BECAUSE I HAVE TO HOLD THE SHIFT KEY WHEN I SHOUT. YOU TRY TYPING WITH 3 FINGERS I'LL BET YOU CAN'T UNLESS YOUR ME. YOU WISH.

I'M GOOGLING MY ASS OFF HERE TO GET MY ANGRY WHITEY REDNECK MERIT BADGE BEFORE THE NEXT KKK MEETING ON MY STATE OF THE ART FLOATING MUSHROOM PLATFORM.

EVERYONE KNOWS YOU EVILUTIONISTS ARE REALLY GLOBAL MELTDOWN FACISTS. WELL, YOU WILL HAVE TO PRIZE MY CO2 FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

AND SONGS? OH YEAH ...WELL HOW'S THIS?
WE LOCK 'EM UP.

Guantanamo Bay

(music to' Guantanamera', new lyrics by Joe Dolce)

Guantanamo Bay,
We go to Guantanamo Bay,
Guantanamo Bay,
We go to Guantanamo Bay.

If you are Cuban or Haitian,
You get the sleep deprivation,
They hang you up by suspension,
In soli-tary detention,
And things to awful to mention,
Not in Geneva Convention.

Guantanamo Bay,
We go to Guantanamo Bay,
Guantanamo Bay,
We go to Guantanamo Bay.

They take you out in the back shed,
And put the black sack over your head,
And if they think you're a terrorist,
They put elec-trodes to your breast,
And run the current all through you,
With German Shepards to chew you.

Guantanamo Bay,
They go to Guantanamo Bay,
Guantanamo Bay,
They go to Guantanamo Bay.

They hold you there without trial
Convienently lose your file,
With force-feeding for eating
They give you tor-ture and beating,
You stay in dark isolation,
With sexual degradation.

Guantanamo Bay,
You go to Guantanamo Bay,
Guantanamo Bay,
You go to Guantanamo Bay.

HOO RAH SEMPER FIGJAM*

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,22:05

Denyse:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2059#more-2059

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,22:21

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Denyse:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2059#more-2059

Judges Darwin by his picture; Plugs her book.

i ALMOST NEED (...#### turns off caps lock) a cigarette after all that.

(In a Trinidadian accent) ...dat wumin needs a good whipping.

Whoever reads her book..probably deserves it.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,22:27

Densye:

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But hey, don�t believe me.

'bout time she said something that made sense.

good thing it was in the first paragraph too, saved me the time of having to pour through the rest of her drivel.

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Posted: Feb. 11 2007,23:29

Gildodgen says ...

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Darwin Day 2007 has special significance for me, because on that day my wife and I will celebrate our 30th wedding anniversary. A woman who put up with me for 30 years surely deserves sainthood.

And ... and ... she doesn't even know why.

Or worse, she does, and stays with him anyway...

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Posted: Feb. 12 2007,05:25

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Denyse:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2059#more-2059

Judges Darwin by his picture; Plugs her book.

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Haeckel�s embryos - if his drawings had been accurate - would have shown that vertebrate taxa start out very similar, which supports Darwin�s theory.

But they DO start out very similar. �I wonder if Denyse ever goes to the Pharyngula web site. �If she does, I wonder if she ever wonders what "pharyngula" means? �Probably not.

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And generations of Darwinists have kept the pious lie going, like a legend of a saint who never really existed.

The legends of saints who never existed came out of ... erm ... Denyse's Catholic Church. �Oops.
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Oh? You want to know what is true? Well, then, by definition, you are not a convinced Darwinist because you think that your brain is adapted to discovering truth, not to leaving descendants.

Ahh, yes.... �I can see my non-ancestor now. �"Is that a lion or a strangly shaped shadow. �Well, I'll believe it's a shadow because otherwise I'd have to run for my life and that's tiring." �Denyse, our brains evolved to accurately understand the world around us because those who didn't have that capability got eaten. � � �

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Okay, here�s a stab at a possible truth: Embryo development does not particularly support Darwin�s theory. It argues rather for a yet undiscovered law, principle, process, or � what? What does the dance of embryogenesis argue for?

Have �you ever heard of evo-devo? �No? �Why am I not surprised.
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Still, the fraudulent Haeckel embryo series must be true in the eyes of Darwinists, just as any miracle story that supports a cult must be true in the eyes of believers.

I heard a good one the other day. �Seems a lot of people believe that a man who was executed came back to life three (or more likely two) days later. �Seems kind of unlikely to me, but then I'm not in the cult.
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(For a detailed explanation, you will have to see The Spiritual Brain by Mario Beauregard and Denyse O�Leary, Harper, 2007). I will provide links for that shortly.

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1. Address marketing issues for non-materialist neuroscience book (Mario Beauregard and Denyse O�Leary, The Spiritual Brain, Harper 2007). � �

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Check out my book on the intelligent design controversy, By Design or by Chance?.

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Richard Hughes: Plugs her book

Plugs her TWO books a total of THREE times. �This may be a UD record.

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Posted: Feb. 12 2007,06:34

Uncommonly Denyse wanes philosophical:

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Meanwhile, I don�t recall if I ever got around to blogging on the Flock of Dodos film...The promissory notes of promissory materialism are not cashing. Chimps are not people, the mind is not simply an illusion created by the functions of the brain, and human behaviour cannot be explained by controlling genes - and that�s only a start on the problem. (For a detailed explanation, you will have to see The Spiritual Brain by Mario Beauregard and Denyse O�Leary, Harper, 2007)...

My ID-friendly friends are really upset at the misrepresentations in the Dodos film, and there is no sinple way that I can explain to them why the people involved must misrepresent ID. Most artsies assume that science IS applied materialism. To the extent that they ever involve themselves with science, their job is to promote science as applied materialism. From what I have heard, Dodos is no exception.

You know, I was about to slam Denyse for holding forth on a film that, apparently, she hasn't seen. �

But then I realized that I already know that her book sucks, and she hasn't even finished WRITING it yet. �

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Posted: Feb. 12 2007,06:42

OK you two take a long hot bath, with lots of nice smelly things....you deserve it.

HOO RAH SMEPER MORFODIKE

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Posted: Feb. 12 2007,08:21

More from the annals of an Uncommon Descent denizen who ventured out of the cloister.

teleologist � �

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You do understand that this is not a prediction right? It is a human contrived sorting system. A prediction of a phenomenon is what is required of science.

This is a common misunderstanding of taxonomy. As an example, I posed this question.

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We have a rabbit, a fish and a dog. Can we group two of these items based on observed traits?

rabbit, fish � dog
rabbit, dog � fish
fish, dog � rabbit

Which makes more sense, and how can you justify your answer?

Not surprisingly, JoeG continued his evasions and bravado. Teleologist didn't attempt an answer either, though perhaps he was actually thinking about the problem. After asking twice and waiting a day, I provided a partial answer.

Zachriel � �

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Well, let�s take a close look at our rabbit, fish and dog.

They are all three composed of complex cells with organelles and a nucleus containing genetic material called DNA. They are collections of differentiated cells that ingest other organisms for nourishment. They have an alimentary canal that food passes through. They have bilateral symmetry. They have a bony skull at one end with a brain and an array of sensory organs. They have a backbone composed of vertebrae which enclose a nerve cord. They each have jaws. They each make eggs.

But two of them have lungs instead of gills, four legs and a flexible neck. These same two have a sacral rib connecting the axial skeleton to the pelvic girdle. They have a layer of dead, horny cells that prevent evaporation, and a well-developed tongue with glands. Embryonic cells that make mineral-regulating glands in these two develop into mineral-regulating gills in the third. They are warm-blooded, The same two have hair, a lateral temporal fenestra, sebaceous glands, and heterodont dentition. There are vast similarities of many other bones, including in the limbs, vertebrae and jaw. They even share the same three ear-bones. The eggs are nourished interally by a placenta by the mother�s own body. After a live-birth, the mother�s then nurses her young with special mammary glands during a prolonged infancy.

All these features are correlated. And because of that, we can look just at the jaw and determine that the organism has mammary glands. We call look just at its hair and skin and know how many ear-bones it has.

Addendum: the temporal fenestra has been drastically modified in mammals by ventral processes of the frontal and the parietal that occlude the temporal fenestra. The location of the old fenestra is still visible between the zygomatic arch, the orbit, and the dorsal part of the skull, but it is no longer a hole in the skull.

I don't know if Teleologist is open to argument or not. But if he is, or if his readership is, then perhaps they will drop the argument that classification of organisms is a human imposed abstraction, rather than a strong, predictive correlation.

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Posted: Feb. 12 2007,09:23

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You cannot deny the power of the ~~Lord~~ the predictive power of ID.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2055#more-2055
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Probably exploited during evolution? How about purposely exploited by an intelligent designer, Shalev. This finding comes as no surprise from a design theoretic point of view. We expected it and much more like it.

Where was this predicted? Where was it written down? Darwin's Black Box? No Free Lunch? Oh no it was in a comment Davetard made in the past on UD.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1802#comment-77217
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Wow. It took me a moment�s consideration of miRNA (which I�d never heard of before) to accurately describe how they might make synonymous substitutions not so neutral. See how actual designers of codes in real life can drill right through to these things based upon intuition and experience?

Ah miRNA's are evidence of an intelligent designer. So cancer is also the result of intelligent design I guess?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_RNA

Dave's intellectual self-aggrandisement reminds me of that super-high IQ bloke Chris Langan who visited ARN and ISCID a few years ago. Both of them have a non-charming persona.

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Posted: Feb. 12 2007,09:56

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Denyse:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2059#more-2059

Judges Darwin by his picture; Plugs her book.

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Haeckel�s embryos - if his drawings had been accurate - would have shown that vertebrate taxa start out very similar, which supports Darwin�s theory.

But they DO start out very similar. I wonder if Denyse ever goes to the Pharyngula web site. If she does, I wonder if she ever wonders what "pharyngula" means? Probably not.

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And generations of Darwinists have kept the pious lie going, like a legend of a saint who never really existed.

The legends of saints who never existed came out of ... erm ... Denyse's Catholic Church. Oops.

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Oh? You want to know what is true? Well, then, by definition, you are not a convinced Darwinist because you think that your brain is adapted to discovering truth, not to leaving descendants.

Ahh, yes.... I can see my non-ancestor now. "Is that a lion or a strangly shaped shadow. Well, I'll believe it's a shadow because otherwise I'd have to run for my life and that's tiring." Denyse, our brains evolved to accurately understand the world around us because those who didn't have that capability got eaten.

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Okay, here�s a stab at a possible truth: Embryo development does not particularly support Darwin�s theory. It argues rather for a yet undiscovered law, principle, process, or � what? What does the dance of embryogenesis argue for?

Have you ever heard of evo-devo? No? Why am I not surprised.

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Still, the fraudulent Haeckel embryo series must be true in the eyes of Darwinists, just as any miracle story that supports a cult must be true in the eyes of believers.

I heard a good one the other day. Seems a lot of people believe that a man who was executed came back to life three (or more likely two) days later. Seems kind of unlikely to me, but then I'm not in the cult.

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(For a detailed explanation, you will have to see The Spiritual Brain by Mario Beauregard and Denyse O�Leary, Harper, 2007). I will provide links for that shortly.

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1. Address marketing issues for non-materialist neuroscience book (Mario Beauregard and Denyse O�Leary, The Spiritual Brain, Harper 2007).

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Check out my book on the intelligent design controversy, By Design or by Chance?.

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Richard Hughes: Plugs her book

Plugs her TWO books a total of THREE times. This may be a UD record.

There is a reason they call her Denyse "Buy My Book" O'Leary.

stevestory

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Posted: Feb. 12 2007,10:50

Over on Panda's Thumb, Ian Musgrave mentions AVIDA. I'm reading this Carl Zimmer article about it which Musgrave links to. Aren't you glad you're on the evolution side, and you get to learn about cool things like that? That you don't spend your days hanging out with complete retards, dismissing cool science?

Reciprocating Bill

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