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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,07:13   

Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 12 2014,06:46)
You don't get it.  The lack of an edu after your email is irrelevant.  (Darwin wouldn't have had one, had they existed back then.)  What you need, at minimum, to be taken seriously is:
1) Understand the basics of what you are criticizing,
2) Propose something that makes sense,
3) Either use terminology in standard ways or provide intelligible redefinitions, including operational definitions
4) Provide some supporting evidence and/or some ways to test your ideas.

Where is YOURS?

Either come up with a viable theory of your own or stop complaining because you can't understand mine!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,07:17   

Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 12 2014,07:02)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 12 2014,09:26)
As evidenced by recent riots in the US the loss of public trust in institutions that control society can be a very dangerous thing. And at this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk.

Don't be silly, Gary. We're not controlling society.

Just you.

Given Gary's money woes, he should really charge us rent for the time we spend in his head.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,07:41   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 12 2014,08:13)
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 12 2014,06:46)
You don't get it.  The lack of an edu after your email is irrelevant.  (Darwin wouldn't have had one, had they existed back then.)  What you need, at minimum, to be taken seriously is:
1) Understand the basics of what you are criticizing,
2) Propose something that makes sense,
3) Either use terminology in standard ways or provide intelligible redefinitions, including operational definitions
4) Provide some supporting evidence and/or some ways to test your ideas.

Where is YOURS?

Either come up with a viable theory of your own or stop complaining because you can't understand mine!!!!

Again and again we have to correct you on this.
Are you incapable of learning?
Apparently, yes.  It's either that or unwilling.

It is simply false that your 'theory' wins until and unless a 'better' theory is presented to overturn it.  "I don't know/we don't know" are infinitely better answers than the flatulent cloud of malodorous nonsense you parade about, in your ignorance and proud arrogance.  The only original notions in all your output are some of the mistakes.

Not least amongst the problems with this idiotic view is that you don't have a 'theory', you have no explanation of any sort, you have identified precisely zero phenomena which are best explained by 'intelligent cause' [and do please note that we have, and none of them can be dealt with by your nonsense], you have no evidence for you have no phenomena in focus or even in view, you have no faintest clue as to what intelligence is or how it works.
Far from illuminating anything about intelligence of any sort, your software forges merrily ahead modeling counter-factual forms and structure -- forms and structure that are counter-factual because we have known of decades that they do no apply to the cases you try to apply them to.
I'm speaking in particular of your idiocy that foraging behavior or 'intelligent movement' requires a complete collection of all possible movement paths before any movement can be made.  Burridan's ass is not a problem in the real world, and that in and of itself is sufficient to refute your ridiculous, and ridiculously uninformed, assertions in this matter.

We have many many pieces of what together make progress towards an understanding of what intelligence is and how it works.  They are founded on evidence, sound logic, and hard work by intelligent people who are generally aware of the work of others in the relevant fields -- all characteristics starkly lacking from your work and your 'cognitive life', if I may be forgiven that exaggeration of the reality at hand.  In particular, it is generally known and accepted that 'intelligence' is too broad and poorly-delimited a term to serve as the core or foundation of any over-arching explanation for the set of behaviors and characteristics generally collected under that general term.
[Hey, yet another 'generalization' you use all the time while railing against the failures of those who rely on generalizations in their work.  One of your more characteristic tics, and one so profoundly, dumbfoundingly, stupid as to defy belief that you could possibly be as ignorant as such a claim shows you to be.  One can merely shake one's head in disbelief.]

You are fractally wrong.  Your failures of basic comprehension run the gamut from sub-atomic and quantum physics [about which we note you have egregiously lied] through organic and inorganic chemistry, through thermodynamics and physics generally to viruses, 'primitive life forms', biology generally and in all specifics [do you even know  where babies come from?] onwards and upwards to astronomy and large-scale physics.

A few simple points for you to attempt to grasp:
Life -- you're doing it wrong.
Intelligence -- you're doing it wrong.
Supporters -- you have none.
Validity -- that which your every assertion lacks.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,07:43   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 12 2014,08:17)
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 12 2014,07:02)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 12 2014,09:26)
As evidenced by recent riots in the US the loss of public trust in institutions that control society can be a very dangerous thing. And at this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk.

Don't be silly, Gary. We're not controlling society.

Just you.

Given Gary's money woes, he should really charge us rent for the time we spend in his head.

Why?  It's unused space.
When the voices in his head speak, they echo.
Perhaps that's what has him so confused.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,07:45   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 12 2014,08:13)
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 12 2014,06:46)
You don't get it.  The lack of an edu after your email is irrelevant.  (Darwin wouldn't have had one, had they existed back then.)  What you need, at minimum, to be taken seriously is:
1) Understand the basics of what you are criticizing,
2) Propose something that makes sense,
3) Either use terminology in standard ways or provide intelligible redefinitions, including operational definitions
4) Provide some supporting evidence and/or some ways to test your ideas.

Where is YOURS?

Either come up with a viable theory of your own or stop complaining because you can't understand mine!!!!

One last little note -- stop asserting we don't understand your "theory".  We understand your theory as perfectly as you have expressed it.
Your entire problem is that we DO understand it.  We also understand the context in which it asserts that it functions, how it fails to fit that context, how it fails to function, why it is not a theory, the errors in fact and logic it exhibits, etc.
The only thing we're still exploring is just how big a loon you are.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,10:03   

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But not by what's happening at UD where it's like I earlier said about the best thing is for what I have to fit in like all the rest, without anyone objecting to it.


classic.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,10:10   

Quote (NoName @ Dec. 12 2014,08:41)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 12 2014,08:13)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 12 2014,06:46)
You don't get it.  The lack of an edu after your email is irrelevant.  (Darwin wouldn't have had one, had they existed back then.)  What you need, at minimum, to be taken seriously is:
1) Understand the basics of what you are criticizing,
2) Propose something that makes sense,
3) Either use terminology in standard ways or provide intelligible redefinitions, including operational definitions
4) Provide some supporting evidence and/or some ways to test your ideas.

Where is YOURS?

Either come up with a viable theory of your own or stop complaining because you can't understand mine!!!!

Again and again we have to correct you on this.
Are you incapable of learning?
Apparently, yes.  It's either that or unwilling.

there have been 12,395 replies w/r/t Gary, and here we are on page 414, and he still doesn't understand this.

The guy truly is mentally ill.

   
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,11:07   

I actually think he does understand it, at least on some level.  He just thinks [forgive the unavoidable exaggeration] that it doesn't apply to his "theory" because his "theory" is so obviously true, and has been (or would be if they weren't having it kept from them) accepted by Science.  Therefore, the process says the next thing that can or should happen is for it to be replaced by a superior theory.

The tragedy is that in the arrogance of his stupidity, he both thinks he has a theory and he thinks there are scientists who would or could find it compelling.

That's not insanity, it's arrogant stupidity coupled with a mind-boggling lack of understanding of science as a process, the artifacts produced by the process, and the knowledge base inherent in the results of that process at this point in time.

He mistakes his confusion for comprehension and inflicts the result on a world whose mockery he is incapable of grasping.
Again, not insanity, stupidity and ignorance.
[As with the rest of the creationist crowd, he is literally incapable of laying out the structure and core knowledge that makes up the modern evolutionary synthesis.  He is clueless about that which he opposes, in every respect other than that he is certain he opposes it.]

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,11:32   

I have to disagree. It think there's plenty of evidence that Gary lacks mental health.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,12:42   

Someone once bleated, "
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As evidenced by recent riots in the US the loss of public trust in institutions that control society can be a very dangerous thing. And at this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk.
"

Yo, Goo Goo, were you sleeping during the 1960s?  

Then, there's this:
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Again and again we have to correct you on this.
Are you incapable of learning?
Apparently, yes.  It's either that or unwilling.


Obviously, he's still asleep.  

Whatta hoot!  :)  :)  :)

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,17:02   

Damn I missed a Friday meltdown ...must be something in the water over at UD.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2014,20:10   

Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 12 2014,15:02)
Damn I missed a Friday meltdown ...must be something in the water over at UD.

Which meltdown in which thread(s) at UD are you referring to?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,00:32   

Robert Byers

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One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,02:01   

Quote (The whole truth @ Dec. 13 2014,04:10)
Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 12 2014,15:02)
Damn I missed a Friday meltdown ...must be something in the water over at UD.

Which meltdown in which thread(s) at UD are you referring to?

Only Gary's meltdown here.... sorry for the confusion. Might take him a little while over at UD before they give him enough rope. Do you think they could be persuaded to give him his own threads?

I think he was hoping to get a whole bunch of tard credits by drawing Wes into some sort of legal wrangle. All part of his plan of theft over toil.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,12:56   

Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 13 2014,01:32)
Robert Byers

 
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One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,13:50   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 13 2014,12:56)
Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 13 2014,01:32)
Robert Byers

   
Quote
One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

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"My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it."


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,14:22   

Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 13 2014,13:50)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 13 2014,12:56)
 
Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 13 2014,01:32)
Robert Byers

   
Quote
One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,14:53   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 13 2014,14:22)
Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 13 2014,13:50)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 13 2014,12:56)
 
Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 13 2014,01:32)
Robert Byers

     
Quote
One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

We'll just take the word of a couple of Internet cranks on that shall we?  Just ignore hundreds of years of data because two guys who can't write a coherent paragraph between them say so?

Hmmmm...no.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,15:55   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 13 2014,14:53)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 13 2014,14:22)
Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 13 2014,13:50)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 13 2014,12:56)
   
Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 13 2014,01:32)
Robert Byers

     
Quote
One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

We'll just take the word of a couple of Internet cranks on that shall we?  Just ignore hundreds of years of data because two guys who can't write a coherent paragraph between them say so?

Hmmmm...no.

As expected the hypocrisy is justified by changing the subject away from providing a computer model to explain how "intelligence" and "intelligent cause" works at all levels of biology. They just throw defamatory statements around while moving goalposts to suit their religious politics.

A person like myself can only take so much of this easy for them to get away with scam

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,16:31   

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Robert Byers

       
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One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

We'll just take the word of a couple of Internet cranks on that shall we?  Just ignore hundreds of years of data because two guys who can't write a coherent paragraph between them say so?

Hmmmm...no.

As expected the hypocrisy is justified by changing the subject away from providing a computer model to explain how "intelligence" and "intelligent cause" works at all levels of biology. They just throw defamatory statements around while moving goalposts to suit their religious politics.

A person like myself can only take so much of this easy for them to get away with scam

You're the only one here running a scam Gary.

You are simply and entirely wrong in asserting that anyone is required to provide a computer model to explain how "intelligence" and "intelligent cause" work other than you.
It's your claim, you need to fulfill on it.

Worse, it is your assertion that until/unless someone provides such a model and [alleged] explanation, your stuff wins by default.
That is false to fact in every respect.

Computer models are not explanations.
Your computer code is not a model of much of anything.
It bears no resemblance to the assertions of your "theory".

But regardless -- you have produced nothing that is acceptable as science.  No one except (possibly) you believes otherwise.
You're not even working as part of a community of individuals who agree with you.
You are neither qualified nor permitted to insist your work, having been *fantasized* to have been accepted or acceptable, must be superseded by an improvement.
Thus, no one need suggest any improvement or replacement.

Note also that as a general rule, new theories supersede existing theories by subsuming them.  By answering all the questions the  existing theory answers as well as additional questions.
Your effluent answers no questions at all.
It doesn't even propose a testable hypothesis other than the utterly banal and uncontroversial "some things are best explained by intelligent acts".  No one disagrees.
But your "theory" can't explain a host of things produced by intelligent acts we have identified.  You have not identified a single thing that both counts as the result of an act of intelligence and is explained by your theory.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,17:39   

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Robert Byers

     
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One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

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What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers.


No it wasn't. You have a hard time understanding english apparently.

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Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.


Didn't you at least try to understand what I said? newton's laws are still taught, for a reason.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,17:55   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 13 2014,15:22)
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Robert Byers

     
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One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

To elaborate on Steve Story's remarks, no one, least of all you, has shown standard evolutionary theory to be false.  Others, emphatically not including you, have shown that is incomplete, but that has been known and acknowledged from the beginning -- it is one of the foundations of science.

You can't even present what the modern synthesis presents as the theory of evolution.  This is one (small) part of your problem -- you are clueless about that which you claim to oppose.
I am moved to ask again, do you even know where babies come from?

Nor have you shown that anyone here, other than yourself, is a hypocrite.  Your hypocrisy is on display for all to see.  You've not managed to even land in the ballpark for criticizing the honesty or integrity of any of the other posters here.  Even Byers, despite your absurdist misreading of his remarks.

Which is it Gary, are you merely appallingly stupid, as I claim, or insane as others claim?
Those really are the only two options -- this statement is not covered by a particular law of logic (one (of three) with which you are demonstrably unacquainted).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,17:58   

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Robert Byers

       
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One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

We'll just take the word of a couple of Internet cranks on that shall we?  Just ignore hundreds of years of data because two guys who can't write a coherent paragraph between them say so?

Hmmmm...no.

As expected the hypocrisy is justified by changing the subject away from providing a computer model to explain how "intelligence" and "intelligent cause" works at all levels of biology. They just throw defamatory statements around while moving goalposts to suit their religious politics.

A person like myself can only take so much of this easy for them to get away with scam

Giggles, the subject was not "providing a computer model to explain how "intelligence" and "intelligent cause" works at all levels of biology".  The immediate subject was "What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms."  Please try to keep up with the adults.  Removing evolutionary theory from classrooms would be ridiculous, and is certainly not going to happen because it is spectacularly successful at explaining the diversity of life.  You could at least make up your mind about whether you are anti-evolution or not.

Aside from all that, the broader subject at the moment is your sad inability to understand that we do not need a theory of intelligence to replace yours because 1) we could show your ideas are crap simply because they violate all the science we already have, 2) your nonsense has no standing to be displaced from.  It is your unfounded opinion, and it doesn't get to play king of the hill until something else knocks it down.  3) we don't need an explanation of "intelligent cause" in the way you describe it, because you haven't actually shown that it exists.  We don't need a computer model to explain "intelligent cause" any more than we need one to explain unicorns, Santa Claus, or how a reptoid became the President of the United States.

Provide some evidence that any of your notions intersect with reality and we'll examine it.  Until then we get to mock you for delusions of relevance.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,17:58   

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One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

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What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers.


No it wasn't. You have a hard time understanding english apparently.

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Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.


Didn't you at least try to understand what I said? newton's laws are still taught, for a reason.

If you want to believe that "One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory" then your precious little theory just got proven to be false by someone who believes the same way you do.

You did a wonderful job of using the public school classrooms to mislead the general public, and now deserve the consequences of those very sinister actions.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,18:15   

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You did a wonderful job of using the public school classrooms to mislead the general public, and now deserve the consequences of those very sinister actions.

You're starting to sound like Mapou.  What 'consequences' are you referring to?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,18:19   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 13 2014,18:58)
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Robert Byers

       
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One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory.

that single sentence is true. we didn't need special relativity to show that there were cases where newton's laws were failing.

But we never throw away a useful theory just because it's imperfect. And 110 years after Special Relativity, we're still teaching Newton's Laws.

The analogy is junk, though, because Michaelson and Morley accomplished something, which the IDiots haven't done in the slightest.

I follow you and agree whole-heartedly. The reason I saved that quote (-mine if you will) over a year ago was because not only is it one of the most grammatically correct sentences I've ever seen Robert produce, in isolation it's one of the most correct statements I've ever heard him utter.

The reason I posted it was to show that even if Robert is abusing the concept to his own ends, even he seems to get what Gary does not after having it explained to him for the umpteenth time in the comments above.

Fine then. What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers. Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.

 
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What goes by the name of "evolutionary theory" was just proven to be false by Robert Byers.


No it wasn't. You have a hard time understanding english apparently.

 
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Now prove that you are not a hypocrite by removing the failed "theory" from the public school classrooms.


Didn't you at least try to understand what I said? newton's laws are still taught, for a reason.

If you want to believe that "One doesn't need a other explanation before one demonstrates the failure of the existing hypothesis/theory" then your precious little theory just got proven to be false by someone who believes the same way you do.

You did a wonderful job of using the public school classrooms to mislead the general public, and now deserve the consequences of those very sinister actions.

Where?  How?  Evolutionary theory remains untouched by your nonsense.  You've not even made a credible attempt.

Do you never tire of showing yourself to be a hopeless moron?  Apparently not.
But this is blatant dishonesty even by your absurd standards.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,18:26   

I also need to add that what I experienced is not simply about finding a weakness in a theory (which is possible without knowing why it fails to make accurate predictions) what Robert said is being used as another excuse to use academic snobbery to dismiss theory that already exists.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,18:37   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 13 2014,19:26)
I also need to add that what I experienced is not simply about finding a weakness in a theory (which is possible without knowing why it fails to make accurate predictions) what Robert said is being used as another excuse to use academic snobbery to dismiss theory that already exists.

What theory would that be?
You don't have a theory.  you don't even have an internally consistent heap of verbiage.

You have been presented with a fair number of unambiguous phenomena widely if not universally considered to be explicable only by 'intelligent causes'.  Your effluent cannot explain these phenomena.  You won't even make the attempt.
So, you fail.  repeatedly, on every possible front, in all possible ways.
This has been proven, exhaustively.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,18:43   

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You did a wonderful job of using the public school classrooms to mislead the general public, and now deserve the consequences of those very sinister actions.

You're starting to sound like Mapou.  What 'consequences' are you referring to?

The consequences are increasing public pressure to take "evolutionary theory" out of the public school classrooms or at least as much as possible discredit the theory using the same antiscientific tactics that the general public was taught in school to use against any Theory of Intelligent Design that is ever proposed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2014,18:52   

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You did a wonderful job of using the public school classrooms to mislead the general public, and now deserve the consequences of those very sinister actions.

You're starting to sound like Mapou.  What 'consequences' are you referring to?

The consequences are increasing public pressure to take "evolutionary theory" out of the public school classrooms or at least as much as possible discredit the theory using the same antiscientific tactics that the general public was taught in school to use against any Theory of Intelligent Design that is ever proposed.

As Wikipedia might say:
citation needed

You should know by now that your unsupported assertions are met with the derision and scorn they so richly deserve.
Especially when they are as ludicrously counter-factual as these.

  
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